Star Trek 2 villain revealed?

Sad Professor · 10-07-2012 3:48pm #1

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/07/09/star-trek-2-villain-revealed/

According to Karl Urban, Benedict Cumberbatch is playing Gary Mitchell. Which would certainly make more sense than Khan given that he's wearing a Starfleet uniform in set pics. I'll be pleased if this true as at least they won't be recycling WOK's story. Orci specifically denied Gary Mitchell a while ago though. I reckon that even if it isn't Gary Mitchell by name, it'll essentially be a re-imagining of the character.

Thoughts?

norrie rugger · 10-07-2012 3:55pm

Interesting but could be a plant. Would be infinitely better than WoK remake TBH, although they need something better than the galactic barrier

Cookie_Monster · 10-07-2012 9:17pm

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Gary_Mitchell
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_Before_(episode)

Captain Kirk worries when his friend, Gary Mitchell, is transformed by the galaxy's edge into a powerful psionic being, endangering the ship, crew and beyond.

That sounds like it would be truly terrible if they go anywhere near that.

downwithpeace · 10-07-2012 9:37pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

That sounds like it would be truly terrible if they go anywhere near that.

Ability to control energy, movie translation, over the top special effects.

Goodshape · 10-07-2012 11:18pm

Gary Mitchell could be good, actually. Always thought it was a good character and plenty of themes in that episode that could be expanded upon. It was the third episode broadcast but actually the first TOS episode produced, after The Cage. Essentially the 'second pilot'.

Mitchell also pops up in Of Gods and Men -- a fan film with a lot of original cast and crew. A bit clunky in places but actually pretty enjoyable, imo.

Overall though, I would like to see them do something original.. but if not, Mitchell is a lot more interesting than Khan.

FutureGuy · 11-07-2012 11:52am

No a hope it's Gary Mitchell. Not in a million years. Two reasons...

Karl Urban is a massive fan. He knows the original series and he knows more than most on set the ramifications of leaking that name, especially in the fashion it was leaked.

Also, Gary Mitchell has already featured in the official comic, and has his story told.

It's a misdirection. Nothing more.

Rayland Givens · 13-08-2012 7:49pm

It would be nice if they introduced a new villian in to the Star Trek film. Khan has already been done. Benedict Cumberbatch will make an excellent villian. Can not wait for the film to come out!

komodosp · 15-08-2012 12:41am

New villains? Hmm... When are they going to make a film that's about an actual Star Trek - isn't that what it's supposed to be about - the exploration and all that, going where no man/one has gone before and what have you? About the only one that lives up to that name is Final Frontier, but yeah it's shaight, but surely done properly a good one could be made.

downwithpeace · 15-08-2012 11:42pm

Re-imagined...great word when used correctly.

Sad Professor · 27-11-2012 11:27am

First synopsis revealed:

In Summer 2013, pioneering director J.J. Abrams will deliver an explosive action thriller that takes “Star Trek Into Darkness.”

When the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for, leaving our world in a state of crisis.

With a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction.

As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew.

It's not Khan. It has to be Gary Mitchell.

Myrddin · 27-11-2012 11:56am

Sounds overly contrived. Also how the hell so you detonate a fleet?

FutureGuy · 27-11-2012 1:07pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Sounds overly contrived. Also how the hell so you detonate a fleet?

Such a poorly written synopsis. However, it sounds like a brilliant plot. I think we can rule out Khan now. A reimagining of Garth of Izar is a very strong possibility.

Sad Professor · 27-11-2012 1:31pm

I hadn't considered Garth. The "one man weapon of mass destruction" sounds like Mitchell to me, but yeah, given the Conrad-esque title and synopsis, Garth of Izar would make perfect sense. Mitchell is probably too powerful to be the villain anyway.

Were the writers ever asked about Garth?

FutureGuy · 27-11-2012 2:04pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

I hadn't considered Garth. The "one man weapon of mass destruction" sounds like Mitchell to me, but yeah, given the Conrad-esque title and synopsis, Garth of Izar would make perfect sense. Mitchell is probably too powerful to be the villain anyway.

Were the writers ever asked about Garth?

In the canon comics re Mitchell:

They have already dealt with Gary Mitchell, and he bit the bullet.

Looking at this synopsis, Izar is the perfect fit although the age is a little concerning. He would have graduated with Pine and would have probably stayed true to the TOS version of him...an incredible Starfleet captain, unrivalled tactician and reknowned explorer. It looks like Kirks family (and possibly Pine) is killed by the villain and he goes all out for revenge.

Goldstein · 27-11-2012 2:40pm

"Detonated the fleet" is an odd phrase to use alright although the whole release reads as though it was written by a PR intern. I assume the "fleet" they're talking about is the Laurentian system gang that were conveniently busy with something when Nero attacked. Then again the writers didn't know the difference between Starfleet and the Federation last time so it might be pointless trying to interpret information which may well have no meaning whatsoever.

Gary Mitchell was basically a forerunner to Q so if it was him it would indicate they're going even further down the fantasy road if the villain has magic powers.

Sad Professor · 27-11-2012 6:21pm

Maybe they meant "decimated the fleet".

Myrddin · 27-11-2012 6:22pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Maybe they meant "decimated the fleet".

Or "detonated the sheep"?

downwithpeace · 27-11-2012 6:34pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Maybe they meant "decimated the fleet".

Sounds like a mistake in voicemail clarity, my low hopes have dropped :rolleyes:

komodosp · 29-11-2012 3:18pm

Maybe they meant defecated the fleet?

Squ · 29-11-2012 3:22pm

How can it be a rehash of anything from tos if that storyline was reset in the first film?

Myrddin · 29-11-2012 3:42pm

Squ wrote: »

How can it be a rehash of anything from tos if that storyline was reset in the first film?

The average Red Dwarf episode has about as much regard for canon & continuity as Star Trek these days

Goodshape · 29-11-2012 3:54pm

Squ wrote: »

How can it be a rehash of anything from tos if that storyline was reset in the first film?

The Gary Mitchel episode was one of (actually I think the?) first episode of TOS so if they're going to start rehashing those, it'd be a good place to start.

Or if they're sticking with pre-TOS stories then Garth of Izar would still make sense. When we met him in Season 3 he'd already committed his crimes, been captured and locked away. Plenty of room to fill in the back story there.

Also might be a clue (or I'm reading to much into it) in the line "epic chess game of life and death". Chess plays an part in Garth's TOS episode. He disguises himself as Kirk but is unable to gain access to the Enterprise because he doesn't know the response to the pass-phrase "Queen to Queen's level three".

Cookie_Monster · 03-12-2012 1:58am

they find an unstoppable force of terror

oh well it's unstoppable, pity...

Kirby · 03-12-2012 12:02pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

oh well it's unstoppable, pity...

I'm sure they would argue that just because something is unstoppable, doesn't mean it is unbeatable. I mean you can't stop thor's hammer....but you can duck to get out of the way and bonk him on the head

IvySlayer · 03-12-2012 5:23pm

Gary Mitchell is superhuman? Never seen much of TOS. Will it link to Khan?

norrie rugger · 03-12-2012 5:34pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

Gary Mitchell is superhuman? Never seen much of TOS. Will it link to Khan?

Yeah, his contact with the barrier accelerated his evolution to super human mental abilities

FutureGuy · 05-12-2012 12:37pm

We are getting a 1-min trailer tomorrow!!!

I am excite!

Goldstein · 06-12-2012 2:18am

One little piece of evidence/nonsense which might point to Gary Mitchell is where in ST 09 they called the planet they invented around Vulcan, Delta Vega. (I won't expand on the litany of basic astronomical/physics mistakes they made).

Anyway, as ye know, Delta-Vega was the remote planet Kirk & co. planned to maroon Gary Mitchell on. So somebody somewhere involved in the production/writing was aware of / had seen that episode 4 years ago.

One point that might indicate it's Garth is those Volcano scenes we've been seeing so much of - could that be Elba II?

Of course this time tomorrow we'll all look like fools when it's revealed to be Finnegan

norrie rugger · 06-12-2012 10:36am

Time to drop out of the thread. No trailers allowed for me

Myrddin · 06-12-2012 10:38am

Trailer Released

SPOLIERS!!!

FutureGuy · 06-12-2012 11:33am

Ladies and Gentlemen, the first trailer for Star Trek Into Darkness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSoIs4wfaeM

Sad Professor · 06-12-2012 11:43am

There's a lot in that trailer to suggest Khan. He has returned, wants vengeance, has superhuman strength, etc. But if it is Khan I don't understand why they are being so coy about it. Khan is the most iconic villain in the Star Trek mythos. It would have been like Nolan waiting until the last minute to reveal that the Joker was the villain in TDK.

I'm starting to think they've been screwing with us and he's actually an original character.

Myrddin · 06-12-2012 11:46am

The Enterprise crashing into an ocean & rising out of it? I suppose if you can graduate from the Academy & become a Captain overnight anythings possible...

knucklehead6 · 06-12-2012 11:50am

EnterNow wrote: »

The Enterprise crashing into an ocean & rising out of it? I suppose if you can graduate from the Academy & become a Captain overnight anythings possible...

Who is to say that's the Enterprise? Could be another ship.

FutureGuy · 06-12-2012 11:51am

EnterNow wrote: »

The Enterprise crashing into an ocean & rising out of it? I suppose if you can graduate from the Academy & become a Captain overnight anythings possible...

Here's the funny thing....

different ship...the nascelles are a different configuration!

IvySlayer · 06-12-2012 12:04pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

There's a lot in that trailer to suggest Khan. He has returned, wants vengeance, has superhuman strength, etc. But if it is Khan I don't understand why they are being so coy about it. Khan is the most iconic villain in the Star Trek mythos. It would have been like Nolan waiting until the last minute to reveal that the Joker was the villain in TDK.

I'm starting to think they've been screwing with us and he's actually an original character.

Khan never wore a Starfleet uniform though?

Gary Mitchell was marooned too in TOS.

The Black Oil · 06-12-2012 12:07pm

Anyone else get a Transformers vibe from the trailer?

It certainly seems to have scale, that's for sure.

MyBrokenKnees · 06-12-2012 12:52pm

I know this might be a complete stretch but could it be Dr. Arik Soong that Cumberbatch is playing. For some reason that's who crossed my mind when I say the trailer.

Doctor DooM · 06-12-2012 1:03pm

FutureGuy wrote: »

No a hope it's Gary Mitchell. Not in a million years. Two reasons...

Karl Urban is a massive fan. He knows the original series and he knows more than most on set the ramifications of leaking that name, especially in the fashion it was leaked.

Also, Gary Mitchell has already featured in the official comic, and has his story told.

It's a misdirection. Nothing more.

On a small note, aren't you a transformers fan?

Movie directors don't give a toss about continuity with comics. Never have, never will. Even when the actual source is comics. Even then, if they do, it's usually worse...

Myrddin · 06-12-2012 1:10pm

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Who is to say that's the Enterprise? Could be another ship.

FutureGuy wrote: »

Here's the funny thing....
different ship...the nascelles are a different configuration!

Nevertheless, its hardly very Trek to have starships crashing into oceans & rising again. I'll keep an open mind though, I'm sure its not just to have more 'splosions & stuff' on screen.

Trailer looks good, if a very generic modern day action film feel to it.

VinLieger · 06-12-2012 1:20pm

Watch the last few seconds of the japanese trailer which has a couple seconds more footage and give opinions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrHlQUXFzfw

Sad Professor · 06-12-2012 1:21pm

It looks like the roles are reversed. i.e. Kirk sacrifices himself, not Spock.

Myrddin · 06-12-2012 1:27pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Watch the last few seconds of the japanese trailer which has a couple seconds more footage and give opinions

Seems to definitely hint at a sacrifice scene a la Wrath of Khan...

PauloConn · 06-12-2012 1:49pm

Trailer looks awesome. Can't wait but would love if it was a new villian or someone not as prevalent as Khan.
But either way, looks awesome

Demonique · 06-12-2012 1:50pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/07/09/star-trek-2-villain-revealed/

According to Karl Urban, Benedict Cumberbatch is playing Gary Mitchell. Which would certainly make more sense than Khan given that he's wearing a Starfleet uniform in set pics. I'll be pleased if this true as at least they won't be recycling WOK's story. Orci specifically denied Gary Mitchell a while ago though. I reckon that even if it isn't Gary Mitchell by name, it'll essentially be a re-imagining of the character.

Thoughts?

Gary Mitchell, isn't that a character in Eastenders?

Kiith · 06-12-2012 2:07pm

I'd say that's definitely Khan. Too much in there to suggest otherwise imo. Looks pretty great though.

Kirby · 06-12-2012 2:16pm

Good deduction by FutureGuy and IvySlayer, but I'm backing Khan on this one.

It's a name even non-trekkies know, biggest enemy trek has next to the borg, they can do interesting juxtaposition like Kirk sacrificing himself instead, etc. etc. It's the obvious choice.

Sad Professor · 06-12-2012 2:34pm

Look at the hair. Surely Eve has to be playing Elizabeth Dehner? In which case it's Gary Mitchell.

VinLieger · 06-12-2012 3:02pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Look at the hair. Surely Eve has to be playing Elizabeth Dehner? In which case it's Gary Mitchell.

Yeah having read up on gary mitchell in the last while and the amount of screen time she gets in the trailer it sure looks like it, however im still on the fence as the final shot in the japanese trailer is either just messing with us or an awesome little wink to fans saying "yeah you know...."

IvySlayer · 06-12-2012 3:24pm

I think Gary Mitchell will be the villain, but it will set up the next storyline/movie for Khan.

Theta · 06-12-2012 3:29pm

When i first watched the trailer I was nearly sure the voice over was by Patrick Stuart, it sounds veryyy like him.

Star Trek 2 villain revealed?

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