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Star Trek 2 villain revealed?

  • 10-07-2012 3:48pm
    #1
    Sad Professor
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    http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/07/09/star-trek-2-villain-revealed/

    According to Karl Urban, Benedict Cumberbatch is playing Gary Mitchell. Which would certainly make more sense than Khan given that he's wearing a Starfleet uniform in set pics. I'll be pleased if this true as at least they won't be recycling WOK's story. Orci specifically denied Gary Mitchell a while ago though. I reckon that even if it isn't Gary Mitchell by name, it'll essentially be a re-imagining of the character.

    Thoughts?


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  • #2
    norrie rugger
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    Interesting but could be a plant. Would be infinitely better than WoK remake TBH, although they need something better than the galactic barrier


  • #3
    Cookie_Monster
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    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Gary_Mitchell
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_Before_(episode)
    Captain Kirk worries when his friend, Gary Mitchell, is transformed by the galaxy's edge into a powerful psionic being, endangering the ship, crew and beyond.
    That sounds like it would be truly terrible if they go anywhere near that.


  • #4
    downwithpeace
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    That sounds like it would be truly terrible if they go anywhere near that.

    Ability to control energy, movie translation, over the top special effects.


  • #5
    Goodshape
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    Gary Mitchell could be good, actually. Always thought it was a good character and plenty of themes in that episode that could be expanded upon. It was the third episode broadcast but actually the first TOS episode produced, after The Cage. Essentially the 'second pilot'.

    Mitchell also pops up in Of Gods and Men -- a fan film with a lot of original cast and crew. A bit clunky in places but actually pretty enjoyable, imo.


    Overall though, I would like to see them do something original.. but if not, Mitchell is a lot more interesting than Khan.


  • #6
    FutureGuy
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    No a hope it's Gary Mitchell. Not in a million years. Two reasons...

    Karl Urban is a massive fan. He knows the original series and he knows more than most on set the ramifications of leaking that name, especially in the fashion it was leaked.

    Also, Gary Mitchell has already featured in the official comic, and has his story told.

    It's a misdirection. Nothing more.


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  • #7
    Rayland Givens
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    It would be nice if they introduced a new villian in to the Star Trek film. Khan has already been done. Benedict Cumberbatch will make an excellent villian. Can not wait for the film to come out!


  • #8
    komodosp
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    New villains? Hmm... When are they going to make a film that's about an actual Star Trek - isn't that what it's supposed to be about - the exploration and all that, going where no man/one has gone before and what have you? About the only one that lives up to that name is Final Frontier, but yeah it's shaight, but surely done properly a good one could be made.


  • #9
    downwithpeace
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    Re-imagined...great word when used correctly.


  • #10
    Sad Professor
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    First synopsis revealed:
    In Summer 2013, pioneering director J.J. Abrams will deliver an explosive action thriller that takes “Star Trek Into Darkness.”

    When the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for, leaving our world in a state of crisis.

    With a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction.

    As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew.

    It's not Khan. It has to be Gary Mitchell.


  • #11
    Myrddin
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    Sounds overly contrived. Also how the hell so you detonate a fleet? :confused:


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  • #12
    FutureGuy
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Sounds overly contrived. Also how the hell so you detonate a fleet? :confused:

    Such a poorly written synopsis. However, it sounds like a brilliant plot. I think we can rule out Khan now. A reimagining of Garth of Izar is a very strong possibility.


  • #13
    Sad Professor
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    I hadn't considered Garth. The "one man weapon of mass destruction" sounds like Mitchell to me, but yeah, given the Conrad-esque title and synopsis, Garth of Izar would make perfect sense. Mitchell is probably too powerful to be the villain anyway.

    Were the writers ever asked about Garth?


  • #14
    FutureGuy
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    I hadn't considered Garth. The "one man weapon of mass destruction" sounds like Mitchell to me, but yeah, given the Conrad-esque title and synopsis, Garth of Izar would make perfect sense. Mitchell is probably too powerful to be the villain anyway.

    Were the writers ever asked about Garth?

    In the canon comics re Mitchell:
    They have already dealt with Gary Mitchell, and he bit the bullet.

    Looking at this synopsis, Izar is the perfect fit although the age is a little concerning. He would have graduated with Pine and would have probably stayed true to the TOS version of him...an incredible Starfleet captain, unrivalled tactician and reknowned explorer. It looks like Kirks family (and possibly Pine) is killed by the villain and he goes all out for revenge.


  • #15
    Goldstein
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    "Detonated the fleet" is an odd phrase to use alright although the whole release reads as though it was written by a PR intern. I assume the "fleet" they're talking about is the Laurentian system gang that were conveniently busy with something when Nero attacked. Then again the writers didn't know the difference between Starfleet and the Federation last time so it might be pointless trying to interpret information which may well have no meaning whatsoever.

    Gary Mitchell was basically a forerunner to Q so if it was him it would indicate they're going even further down the fantasy road if the villain has magic powers.


  • #16
    Sad Professor
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    Maybe they meant "decimated the fleet".


  • #17
    Myrddin
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Maybe they meant "decimated the fleet".

    Or "detonated the sheep"? :D


  • #18
    downwithpeace
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Maybe they meant "decimated the fleet".

    Sounds like a mistake in voicemail clarity, my low hopes have dropped :rolleyes:


  • #19
    komodosp
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    Maybe they meant defecated the fleet?


  • #20
    Squ
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    How can it be a rehash of anything from tos if that storyline was reset in the first film?


  • #21
    Myrddin
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    Squ wrote: »
    How can it be a rehash of anything from tos if that storyline was reset in the first film?

    The average Red Dwarf episode has about as much regard for canon & continuity as Star Trek these days


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  • #22
    Goodshape
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    Squ wrote: »
    How can it be a rehash of anything from tos if that storyline was reset in the first film?

    The Gary Mitchel episode was one of (actually I think the?) first episode of TOS so if they're going to start rehashing those, it'd be a good place to start.

    Or if they're sticking with pre-TOS stories then Garth of Izar would still make sense. When we met him in Season 3 he'd already committed his crimes, been captured and locked away. Plenty of room to fill in the back story there.

    Also might be a clue (or I'm reading to much into it) in the line "epic chess game of life and death". Chess plays an part in Garth's TOS episode. He disguises himself as Kirk but is unable to gain access to the Enterprise because he doesn't know the response to the pass-phrase "Queen to Queen's level three".


  • #23
    Cookie_Monster
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    they find an unstoppable force of terror

    oh well it's unstoppable, pity...


  • #24
    Kirby
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    oh well it's unstoppable, pity...

    I'm sure they would argue that just because something is unstoppable, doesn't mean it is unbeatable. I mean you can't stop thor's hammer....but you can duck to get out of the way and bonk him on the head :p


  • #25
    IvySlayer
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    Gary Mitchell is superhuman? Never seen much of TOS. Will it link to Khan?


  • #26
    norrie rugger
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    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Gary Mitchell is superhuman? Never seen much of TOS. Will it link to Khan?

    Yeah, his contact with the barrier accelerated his evolution to super human mental abilities


  • #27
    FutureGuy
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    We are getting a 1-min trailer tomorrow!!!

    I am excite!


  • #28
    Goldstein
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    One little piece of evidence/nonsense which might point to Gary Mitchell is where in ST 09 they called the planet they invented around Vulcan, Delta Vega. (I won't expand on the litany of basic astronomical/physics mistakes they made).

    Anyway, as ye know, Delta-Vega was the remote planet Kirk & co. planned to maroon Gary Mitchell on. So somebody somewhere involved in the production/writing was aware of / had seen that episode 4 years ago.


    One point that might indicate it's Garth is those Volcano scenes we've been seeing so much of - could that be Elba II?

    Of course this time tomorrow we'll all look like fools when it's revealed to be Finnegan :D


  • #29
    norrie rugger
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    Time to drop out of the thread. No trailers allowed for me


  • #30
    Myrddin
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    Trailer Released

    SPOLIERS!!!



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  • #31
    FutureGuy
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    Ladies and Gentlemen, the first trailer for Star Trek Into Darkness...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSoIs4wfaeM


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