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15% off-sales alcohol tax proposed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Glad I don't live in Ireland anymore, like my beer too much.

    On the way home from work I can pick up a crate of Erdinger for around 9 euros ..... yummyy....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    free market competition is a really good idea.

    This nanny state/lobby group protecting bolloxology has to end.




    All those in favour of the unfettered free market, please buy my home-made 'alcohol' which I distilled in my shed recently in time for Christmas.

    Just ignore the nanny state bolloxologists who will try to claim that it contains lethal levels of methanol.

    Never mind the quality, feel the (deadly) buzz...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭crusher000


    Putting the vat up on drink in the off licenses won't encourage moer people to the pubs anyway. Let's have an "I made my own brew day" instead of Arthurs Day. We all agree to start brewing on the same date and when it's ready we get steamed. Drink it out of jam jars on our porches party of the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Some moonshiners here? :D

    Anyway, you can only tolerate this government, when you are utterly drunk, imo :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    A litre of Heineken in my local = €8 (just under 2 pints)
    A litre of coke/fanta/sprite = €13.20

    Robbing fúcks.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    I'm surprised it took until page 2 before the first beer snob arrived.

    There are plenty of us out there. Pub beer is mostly muck. Why drink Guinness when you can have a Flying Dog Imperial Coffee Stout 8.9%? It's cheaper and tastes so much better now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭trooney


    wrote:
    The “lid levy” proposal on unopened alcohol sales would raise €240 million for the State while protecting 50,000 jobs and business, the Vintners’ Federation of Ireland and Licensed Vintners Association jointly said

    How can it do both? Am I missing something here? It will either make people buying offy-sales pay more, generating benjamins, OR it will drive (they hope) more people to their licensed premises. Its hardly going to do both?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    My local buys all their bottles from the O'Briens across the road. €10 for a crate of corona and then they sell them for €4.50 a bottle. They're rip of merchants!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Let them bring the tax in but also change the laws. Increase to penalties on underage selling. Use the tax to enforce it.

    Don't worry about the property supply in the future the will be a lot of pubs and churches vacant in time of need.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    There was political recognition that the “on-trade” was the “most controlled environment” in which to sell alcohol and also had social benefits, Mr Cribben claimed.
    The most controlled environment that is, until the pub closes and unleashes hordes of drunks onto the streets, then it's the Gardaí's and tax-payers problem.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭ando


    R0ot wrote: »
    It's a good idea to be honest.

    Nope sorry don’t agree. It’s pretty obvious that the pubs don’t like the recent phenomena of people buying a few cans and staying at home with a few friends. People nowadays can’t afford the ridiculous prices pubs charge for pints... 5.50 is not unusual for a pint.. I mean common, seriously!! How can they justify that? And upping the price of alcohol after 11pm is another scam I despise, which seems to be everywhere. Get people in and then rape them as they can’t get in anywhere else at that time... Its unfair practice. On top of that you have the black man in the toilet looking like a lost puppy and pushing you for money as you wash your hands. Whats that all about? It all just adds up to an unpleasant experience and doesnt encourage anyone to head out to the pub!

    With prices as they are, a tenner would keep me happy for a night with alcohol from a supermarket. A tenner couldn’t even get me two pints in a pub. Money isn’t as free flowing as it was in 2006/7, pubs need to realise this. I can’t recall any occasion of pubs lowering prices (bar short term special offers) to stay in line with the reduction of disposable money available as a whole over the last few years. They need to make changes in their business model, not punish the competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    Every time I see something like this, I'm more glad I moved.

    Going to head off to Netto in a bit and get myself a bottle of 2.99 red... :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    Why not just double the prices in off-licenses? Sure what would Irish people do about it? Lie there and get f*cked as usual. We don't vote with our feet, that's why it's a rip off country. They can charge what they like, we'll pay it, so why not?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Why not just double the prices in off-licenses? Sure what would Irish people do about it? Lie there and get f*cked as usual. We don't vote with our feet, that's why it's a rip off country. They can charge what they like, we'll pay it, so why not?!


    By staying in having a beer they are voting with their feet,by going to newry they are voting with their feet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    But seriously this craphole of a country is getting more and more expensive every day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    This will give pub owner's an excuse to raise prices.

    Mumble mumble ....alcohol tax....mumble mumble..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    My local shït hole charges 4.90 for a pint of Heinken. Once that hits the 5er ill never set foot in the place once again. Few days ago I got 24 bottles for 20euro.

    Don't have to be a genius to work out why the pubs are empty.

    They can fock right off with the 15% too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,114 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    What the Gov doesn't realise is that if we sober up as a nation we will start protesting like the Greeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭brandnewaward


    crowes , in galway does 3 pints for a tenner , every day except friday and saturday as far as i recall, mighty for sunday session and bookies next door too :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    crowes , in galway does 3 pints for a tenner , every day except friday and saturday as far as i recall, mighty for sunday session and bookies next door too :)

    Owned by the brother of this flute-hooks

    http://www.michaelcrowe.ie/news/ban-sponsorship-could-close-galway-festivals-michael-crowe

    Pubs and politicians...... a vipers nest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Couldn't have picked a better time to get into homebrewing, it seems. They can **** off with that idea.

    Licencing laws need to change, really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I'd be ok with an increase if they brought in cafe bar licences that were easy to get. Flood the place with loads of little cafe's that offer a variety of beers and wines at a decent price.

    Of course that'll never happen either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    It's not really though. Why not put an extra tax on take away food and groceries to help out restaurants.

    They should probably do that as well as this, sugar tax is also a good idea. People arguing that it increases the weekly shop for families really need to cop on and realise you can live without your 15 bottles of Coke a week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    If pub prices weren't so ridiculous I think ironically people would drink more responsibly. Not if they were very cheap now; I don't expect supermarket prices for drinks in the pub. But there's a culture now of buying cheap cans/naggins and trying to get as **** faced as you can at home before you go out simply because the prices in pubs are extortionate. If people didn't have to pre-drink so much people would probably pace themselves more. It would benefit peoples health as well as the publicans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    drdeadlift wrote: »
    But seriously this craphole of a country is getting more and more expensive every day

    You must be young.

    http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/ireland/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-ireland-1981.aspx


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Crazy, but marginally better proposal than minimum price units.

    I don't agree. The minimum price would only affect the really cheap stuff (Dutch Gold etc.) but 15% would affect the good stuff as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    My local shït hole charges 4.90 for a pint of Heinken. Once that hits the 5er ill never set foot in the place once again.

    I think I said something similar when we were getting close to some other landmark figure (either £3 or €4 or something) back in the day. Didn't happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Green Diesel


    I don't agree. The minimum price would only affect the really cheap stuff (Dutch Gold etc.) but 15% would affect the good stuff as well.

    Which is terrible for competition. Someone makes a budget product but must sell it at artificially high prices? Imagine applying that to other industries... Skoda costing the same as a BMW etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,017 ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    Heres a better idea, how about publicans show their care for customers by not serving any individual more than 3 pints, as anything more is "dangerous" drinking according to that Roisin Shorthall one. I very much doubt the vintners would be so "caring" for their customers if such a law was to be suggested :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Nick


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    The only reason I still bother living is because I can get cheap cigarettes and alcohol which keep me happy. Why must they always tax the things I'm most fond of? :(

    Edit: Don't really mind them hiking up the price of beer but they bloody better leave the price of my beloved Vodka alone!!


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