15% off-sales alcohol tax proposed

Publicans have urged the Government to introduce a 15 per cent tax on off-licence alcohol sales in the budget,

They can go and ****e
I reckon we organize a national knacker drinking night and show them who's the boss:D

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1130/breaking19.html

Death and Taxes

Off licences in Newry will be delighted if this happens!

Lumbo

Vinters are great fellas.

GLaDOS

The publicans argue the measure would go some way to meet concerns over the availability of cheap alcohol in supermarkets

Cheap alcohol? There's alcohol at reasonable prices maybe, compare to the rip off you get in pubs.

Green Diesel

Crazy, but marginally better proposal than minimum price units.

c_man

Well they've gotten previous governments to bring in the early closing for Offies, why wouldn't they continue chancing their arm

Immaculate Pasta

What a great post. Really shows your thought process regarding the pricing of alcohol in this country and the things that irritate you about them.

Plus with your levels of anger you have successfully made your post slightly humorous which will surely help people on here to relate to you and even reply in agreement.

Well done...

Immaculate Pasta

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

What a great post. Really shows your thought process regarding the pricing of alcohol in this country and the things that irritate you about them.

Plus with your levels of anger you have successfully made your post slightly humorous which will surely help people on here to relate to you and even reply in agreement.

Well done...

I see it wasn't lost on you,
that's the main thing

R0ot

It's a good idea to be honest.

Hippies!

Stupid idea, tax tobacky more, I don't smoke.

Green Diesel

R0ot wrote: »

It's a good idea to be honest.

It's not really though. Why not put an extra tax on take away food and groceries to help out restaurants.

giant_midget

The selfish Publicans are crying again as it's approaching budget time...They are just up in arms because the supermarkets make a modest profit from sales of cheep booze, Unlike themselves who feel the need to be greedy sh1tebags and make 600% markup on drinks.

Pubs that are struggling need to have a good hard think about their furure going forward, No one expects pints and vodka at supermarket rates in a pub. A pub can still make money without the need to be greedy hooers with pricing.

publicans and the vintners association can lick my ball bag, w@nkers

OurLadyofKnock

How about the vinters cutting costs by removing their SKY SPorts? THe huge screens playing the news at full volumne?

They might start winning back the customers they drove away who used to go to the pub to escape TV hype and used to like a nice quite drink out.

trooney

Lumbo wrote: »

Vinters are great fellas.

Ya, but ze summers are gut also

sbsquarepants

R0ot wrote: »

It's a good idea to be honest.

No. It's a really bad idea - free market competition is a really good idea.
This nanny state/lobby group protecting bolloxology has to end.

OurLadyofKnock

I love how the vitners go on about offies and alcohol abuse. Like they care about their customers...

Mr Benevolent

R0ot wrote: »

It's a good idea to be honest.

What specifically makes it a good idea?

Lyaiera

I also like their claim every leaving cert night that parents shouldn't let kids go to house parties. Instead they should send them to their local friendly publican who'll make sure they're taken care of.

Dicky Pride

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

How about the vinters cutting costs by removing their SKY SPorts? THe huge screens playing the news at full volumne?

They might start winning back the customers they drove away who used to go to the pub to escape TV hype and used to like a nice quite drink out.

I think you'd be better suited going to a library and having a nice cup of tea with a good book.

sbsquarepants

giant_midget wrote: »

publicans and the vintners association can lick my ball bag, w@nkers

A fine point, and very well made!:D

lucylu

The publicans are shooting themselves in the foot.
My local publican is seen every week scooting around the supermarkets buying boxes of beer and she has no qualms of charging you for full whack for a 300ml bottle of budweiser with a not for resale on the label

OurLadyofKnock

Dicky Pride wrote: »

I think you'd be better suited going to a library and having a nice cup of tea with a good book.

What about going to a nice quite pub for a pint and book?

I bet there are more customers for that than watching Cambridge Utd v Aldershot on three screens on a tuesday night with some twat screaming 'ref avin an orf day!' at full blast.

Gimmie a break, I know loads of people who won't go to pubs anymore because of the sensory overload.

Kev_2012

I like going to the pub, but I don't go as often as I'd like to because beers are ridiculously priced. If pints were between 3 and 3.30 for decent beers (not tuborg/fosters and carling etc.), I.e. 3 pints for a tenner, then i'd happily go to the pub earlier rather than go to the offy.

Only problem is that pubs with cheaper drink like that turn into knacker holes.

Considering that FG had it in their manifesto that they want to prop up the pubs, they can probably get whatever they ask for. Joke.

OurLadyofKnock

Kev_2012 wrote: »

between 3 and 3.30 for decent beers (not tuborg/fosters and carling etc.)

Very hard to get decent beers in 90% of Irish pubs.

Dicky Pride

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

What about going to a nice quite pub for a pint and book?

I bet there are more customers for that than watching Cambridge Utd v Aldershot on three screens on a tuesday night with some twat screaming 'ref avin an orf day!' at full blast.

Gimmie a break, I know loads of people who won't go to pubs anymore because of the sensory overload.

But you're making a rather sweeping generalisation. There are some pubs that heavily rely on the trade that comes with sky sports. If they were to rely on people supping a pint an reading a book, they'd be out of business before you know it.

Irish people want it every way. We want pubs to charge the same as supermarkets but still want the best of entertainment and as much for free as possible.

SeaFields

urbanledge wrote: »

I reckon we organize a national knacker drinking night and show them who's the boss:D

Something inbetween Arthurs day and Patricks day perhaps? :pac:

admiralofthefleet

i hope they get rid of the idiotic early closing times if they are going to introduce this

hatrickpatrick

F*ck's sake, when will publicans learn that the easiest way to stop losing business is to stop charging 5 quid for a feckin' pint? :mad:

Max Power

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

Very hard to get decent beers in 90% of Irish pubs.

I'm surprised it took until page 2 before the first beer snob arrived.

mikom

urbanledge wrote: »

Publicans have urged the Government to introduce a 15 per cent tax on off-licence alcohol sales in the budget,

They can go and ****e
I reckon we organize a national knacker drinking night and show them who's the boss:D

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1130/breaking19.html

*Kicks back and exhales cannabis smoke in their general direction*

keithclancy

Glad I don't live in Ireland anymore, like my beer too much.

On the way home from work I can pick up a crate of Erdinger for around 9 euros ..... yummyy....

Iwannahurl

sbsquarepants wrote: »

free market competition is a really good idea.

This nanny state/lobby group protecting bolloxology has to end.

All those in favour of the unfettered free market, please buy my home-made 'alcohol' which I distilled in my shed recently in time for Christmas.

Just ignore the nanny state bolloxologists who will try to claim that it contains lethal levels of methanol.

Never mind the quality, feel the (deadly) buzz...

crusher000

Putting the vat up on drink in the off licenses won't encourage moer people to the pubs anyway. Let's have an "I made my own brew day" instead of Arthurs Day. We all agree to start brewing on the same date and when it's ready we get steamed. Drink it out of jam jars on our porches party of the year.

Lawrence1895

Some moonshiners here?

Anyway, you can only tolerate this government, when you are utterly drunk, imo

Ghandee

A litre of Heineken in my local = €8 (just under 2 pints)
A litre of coke/fanta/sprite = €13.20

Robbing fúcks.

Mr Benevolent

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

I'm surprised it took until page 2 before the first beer snob arrived.

There are plenty of us out there. Pub beer is mostly muck. Why drink Guinness when you can have a Flying Dog Imperial Coffee Stout 8.9%? It's cheaper and tastes so much better now.

trooney

wrote:

The “lid levy” proposal on unopened alcohol sales would raise €240 million for the State while protecting 50,000 jobs and business, the Vintners’ Federation of Ireland and Licensed Vintners Association jointly said

How can it do both? Am I missing something here? It will either make people buying offy-sales pay more, generating benjamins, OR it will drive (they hope) more people to their licensed premises. Its hardly going to do both?

smash

My local buys all their bottles from the O'Briens across the road. €10 for a crate of corona and then they sell them for €4.50 a bottle. They're rip of merchants!

Ray Palmer

Let them bring the tax in but also change the laws. Increase to penalties on underage selling. Use the tax to enforce it.

Don't worry about the property supply in the future the will be a lot of pubs and churches vacant in time of need.

DonkeyStyle \o/

There was political recognition that the “on-trade” was the “most controlled environment” in which to sell alcohol and also had social benefits, Mr Cribben claimed.

The most controlled environment that is, until the pub closes and unleashes hordes of drunks onto the streets, then it's the Gardaí's and tax-payers problem.

ando

R0ot wrote: »

It's a good idea to be honest.

Nope sorry don’t agree. It’s pretty obvious that the pubs don’t like the recent phenomena of people buying a few cans and staying at home with a few friends. People nowadays can’t afford the ridiculous prices pubs charge for pints... 5.50 is not unusual for a pint.. I mean common, seriously!! How can they justify that? And upping the price of alcohol after 11pm is another scam I despise, which seems to be everywhere. Get people in and then rape them as they can’t get in anywhere else at that time... Its unfair practice. On top of that you have the black man in the toilet looking like a lost puppy and pushing you for money as you wash your hands. Whats that all about? It all just adds up to an unpleasant experience and doesnt encourage anyone to head out to the pub!

With prices as they are, a tenner would keep me happy for a night with alcohol from a supermarket. A tenner couldn’t even get me two pints in a pub. Money isn’t as free flowing as it was in 2006/7, pubs need to realise this. I can’t recall any occasion of pubs lowering prices (bar short term special offers) to stay in line with the reduction of disposable money available as a whole over the last few years. They need to make changes in their business model, not punish the competition.

OneArt

Every time I see something like this, I'm more glad I moved.

Going to head off to Netto in a bit and get myself a bottle of 2.99 red...

BraziliaNZ

Why not just double the prices in off-licenses? Sure what would Irish people do about it? Lie there and get f*cked as usual. We don't vote with our feet, that's why it's a rip off country. They can charge what they like, we'll pay it, so why not?!

drdeadlift

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Why not just double the prices in off-licenses? Sure what would Irish people do about it? Lie there and get f*cked as usual. We don't vote with our feet, that's why it's a rip off country. They can charge what they like, we'll pay it, so why not?!

By staying in having a beer they are voting with their feet,by going to newry they are voting with their feet.

drdeadlift

But seriously this craphole of a country is getting more and more expensive every day

Caliden

This will give pub owner's an excuse to raise prices.

Mumble mumble ....alcohol tax....mumble mumble..

BillyMitchel

My local shït hole charges 4.90 for a pint of Heinken. Once that hits the 5er ill never set foot in the place once again. Few days ago I got 24 bottles for 20euro.

Don't have to be a genius to work out why the pubs are empty.

They can fock right off with the 15% too.

wp_rathead

What the Gov doesn't realise is that if we sober up as a nation we will start protesting like the Greeks

brandnewaward

crowes , in galway does 3 pints for a tenner , every day except friday and saturday as far as i recall, mighty for sunday session and bookies next door too

mikom

brandnewaward wrote: »

crowes , in galway does 3 pints for a tenner , every day except friday and saturday as far as i recall, mighty for sunday session and bookies next door too

Owned by the brother of this flute-hooks

http://www.michaelcrowe.ie/news/ban-sponsorship-could-close-galway-festivals-michael-crowe

Pubs and politicians...... a vipers nest.