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Protestant man overlooked for job because of his religion awarded £150,000

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  • #32
    Show Time
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    Winty wrote: »
    Just because a person is Protestant does not make them orange

    I thought everyone knew that

    Are all Catholic men alter boys
    Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.


  • #33
    Chips Lovell
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    And this justifies the same thing being done to protestants?


  • #34
    Ghandee
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    Civil rights movement in the north was for what exactly?


  • #35
    Ghandee
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    And this justifies the same thing being done to protestants?

    Obviously not.


  • #36
    Show Time
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    And this justifies the same thing being done to protestants?
    Some would call it poetic justice.


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  • #37
    K-9
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    Show Time wrote: »
    Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.

    And what bearing has that to this case other than the usual whaboutery?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #38
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    Show Time wrote: »
    Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.
    Which has zero to do with the case in hand.
    BTW your post shows little understanding of the true barbarity of the apartied regime in SA


  • #39
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    Show Time wrote: »
    Some would call it poetic justice.
    They would be piss poor poets with an abject lack of understanding of the concept of justice!


  • #40
    Chips Lovell
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    Show Time wrote: »
    Some would call it poetic justice.

    I think that comment speaks for itself.


  • #41
    Chuck Stone
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    So it's into the trenches we go with our hard hats and rifles.

    See y'all Xmas day for a game of football in no-man's-land.


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  • #42
    Show Time
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    Which has zero to do with the case in hand.
    BTW your post shows little understanding of the true barbarity of the apartied regime in SA
    No when it comes to history i am always spot on kid.

    As for the case in hand we have a few orange heads crying injustice because they did not get a job and with the orange and prods past record dealing with catholics in the 60' 70's and 80's i personally find it hard to feel sorry for any old orange drummer boy crying injustice.


  • #43
    Show Time
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    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    I think that comment speaks for itself.
    Don't be afraid to give a proper reply instead of a smart arse comment.


  • #44
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    Show Time wrote: »
    No when it comes to history i am always spot on kid.

    As for the case in hand we have a few orange heads crying injustice because they did not get a job and with the orange and prods past record dealing with catholics in the 60' 70's and 80's i personally find it hard to feel sorry for any old orange drummer boy crying injustice.

    To respond to that vitriolic diatribe of hatred in the way I want to, would earn me a ban.:mad:


  • #45
    Show Time
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    To respond to that vitriolic diatribe of hatred in the way I want to, would earn me a ban.:mad:
    So are you trying to tell me a Catholic could have walked into any job up North in the height of the troubles??


  • #46
    K-9
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    Show Time wrote: »
    So are you trying to tell me a Catholic could have walked into any job up North in the height of the troubles??

    We get you know your history, stop living in it and move on.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #47
    Tigger
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    If all prodestants deserved to be mistreated because of the actions of those who went before do all white people deserve the same because of what went on in South Africa or all Germans because of the concentrations camps or all Americans because of the natives or all Australians because of the aboriginals ?

    At some point a line must be drawn.


  • #48
    Show Time
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    K-9 wrote: »
    We get you know your history, stop living in it and move on.
    It's amazing what people can forget in such a short period of time.


  • #49
    humanji
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    Show Time wrote: »
    No when it comes to history i am always spot on kid.

    As for the case in hand we have a few orange heads crying injustice because they did not get a job and with the orange and prods past record dealing with catholics in the 60' 70's and 80's i personally find it hard to feel sorry for any old orange drummer boy crying injustice.

    If you're smart enough to spell "Catholics" then you're smart enough to spell "Protestants". Stop calling people "prods" and "orange", it just makes you come across as a bigot.


  • #50
    Winty
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    Show Time wrote: »
    Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.

    What had this "fact" got to do with not all Protestants not being in the orange order


  • #51
    anncoates
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    I'm wondering are there additional facts here to the case because I find it hard to see where the religious discrimination is based on the fact that there was a religious ration of 4:1 in the applicants?

    I detest Sinn Fein but I need to see more proof here.

    Would be interesting to know who made this decision in the tribunal and for what reason.

    You can't help feeling this could just be part of the tedious and interminable - and financially draining - discrimination whataboutery that will continue to bedevil the North.


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  • #52
    anncoates
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    Show Time wrote: »

    As for the case in hand we have a few orange heads crying injustice because they did not get a job and with the orange and prods past record dealing with catholics in the 60' 70's and 80's i personally find it hard to feel sorry for any old orange drummer boy crying injustice.

    Wow.


  • #53
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    anncoates wrote: »
    I'm wondering are there additional facts here to the case because I find it hard to see where the religious discrimination is based on the fact that there was a religious ration of 4:1 in the applicants?

    I detest Sinn Fein but I need to see more proof here.

    Would be interesting to know who made this decision in the tribunal and for what reason.

    You can't help feeling this could just be part of the tedious and interminable - and financially draining - discrimination whataboutery that will continue to bedevil the North.

    Hi Ann there is a link to the full judgement of the Tribunal in an earlier post, if that helps.


  • #54
    Tiddlypeeps
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    Show Time wrote: »
    It's amazing what people can forget in such a short period of time.

    Are you actually trying to suggest that all Protestants in Northern Ireland should be treated badly because of stuff that happened decades ago?


  • #55
    Iwantsnownow
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    Ok all you vehemently anti Sinn Fein users. Amazing how quickly one incident of discrimination, according to a tribunal who will rarely if ever not find in favour of the offended party irrespective of their religion or background-(in other words bring a case of religious discrimination no matter how trivial it is and you are 99% guaranteed to win) can suddenly have many on here attempting to compare this with the state permitted decades of discrimination against Catholics that went far deeper than refusing someone a job with the Water Board ( which by the way is not acceptable either).

    I am not saying that the Catholic guy was not parachuted in but no one can claim Sinn Fein are as remotely bigoted as say DUP etc. According to figures released by Northern Ireland's equality agency in 2010, Sinn Fein are five times more likely to have non- Catholic people working in their party and in ministries that are headed by one of their ministers compared to Unionist parties that are overwhelmingly Protestant. Now I guess you could argue that perhaps non Protestants are unlikely to apply for such positions as they anticipate lots of work related bullying and hassle etc. That in itself would prove how far more bigoted Protestants are towards others compared to the other way round.

    So a little bit of perspective please. With over 70% of religious discrimination cases in northern Ireland brought by non- Protestants lets be sensible and realistic about who the true deeper bigots actually are up there. Things take time to change and they will eventually but cases such as this one will occasionally crop up, it's all part of adjustment and trust building between the communities.

    I not a member of Sinn Fein nor do I vote for them as their economic policies are crazy but I respect them as a legitimate political party ( I already sense boiling blood, oh get over it many political parties have had to make slow transitions from extremist and militant backgrounds).


  • #56
    K-9
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    Iwantsnownow wrote: »
    Ok all you vehemently anti Sinn Fein users. Amazing how quickly one incident of discrimination, according to a tribunal who will rarely if ever not find in favour of the offended party irrespective of their religion or background-(in other words bring a case of religious discrimination no matter how trivial it is and you are 99% guaranteed to win) can suddenly have many on here attempting to compare this with the state permitted decades of discrimination against Catholics that went far deeper than refusing someone a job with the Water Board ( which by the way is not acceptable either).

    Not one poster has done that, not one.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #57
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    Iwantsnownow wrote: »
    Ok all you vehemently anti Sinn Fein users. Amazing how quickly one incident of discrimination, according to a tribunal who will rarely if ever not find in favour of the offended party irrespective of their religion or background-(in other words bring a case of religious discrimination no matter how trivial it is and you are 99% guaranteed to win) can suddenly have many on here attempting to compare this with the state permitted decades of discrimination against Catholics that went far deeper than refusing someone a job with the Water Board ( which by the way is not acceptable either).

    I am not saying that the Catholic guy was not parachuted in but no one can claim Sinn Fein are as remotely bigoted as say DUP etc. According to figures released by Northern Ireland's equality agency in 2010, Sinn Fein are five times more likely to have non- Catholic people working in their party and in ministries that are headed by one of their ministers compared to Unionist parties that are overwhelmingly Protestant. Now I guess you could argue that perhaps non Protestants are unlikely to apply for such positions as they anticipate lots of work related bullying and hassle etc. That in itself would prove how far more bigoted Protestants are towards others compared to the other way round.

    So a little bit of perspective please. With over 70% of religious discrimination cases in northern Ireland brought by non- Protestants lets be sensible and realistic about who the true deeper bigots actually are up there. Things take time to change and they will eventually but cases such as this one will occasionally crop up, it's all part of adjustment and trust building between the communities.

    I not a member of Sinn Fein nor do I vote for them as their economic policies are crazy but I respect them as a legitimate political party ( I already sense boiling blood, oh get over it many political parties have had to make slow transitions from extremist and militant backgrounds).

    A little perspective? Have you read your own post?


  • #58
    BillyMitchel
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    I'd say the job was given on a more who you know and not what you know basis and religion didn't play apart if I'm wrong well then that chap is entitled to every penny.


  • #59
    Iwantsnownow
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    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    I'd say the job was given on a more who you know and not what you know basis and religion didn't play apart if I'm wrong well then that chap is entitled to every penny.
    I totally agree. I doubt religion had anything to do with it. A case of he got it as he probably had connections with someone in the know... not acceptable but not the bigoted anti Protestant scenario as pushed by some on here.


  • #60
    Iwantsnownow
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    WileyCoyote wrote: »

    A little perspective? Have you read your own post?
    I did read it. Enlighten me....


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  • #61
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    Iwantsnownow wrote: »
    I totally agree. I doubt religion had anything to do with it. A case of he got it as he probably had connections with someone in the know... not acceptable but not the bigoted anti Protestant scenario as pushed by some on here.

    I will stick by the tribunals finding, it was religious discrimination, carried out by a part who claim to stand for equality!


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