Protestant man overlooked for job because of his religion awarded £150,000

Death and Taxes

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/protestant-man-overlooked-for-job-because-of-his-religion-awarded-150000-3302828.html

The tribunal found that former Sinn Fein minister Conor Murphy breached a code of practice when he appointed Sean Hogan to the position as chairman of NI Water in March last year. Mr Hogan was the only Catholic applicant for the job. Four others, all Protestants, were turned down.

And then SF want to get into power down here, vertainly shows them up for what they are, and that is not the party of equality! Maybe they should just join forces with FF.

MagicMarker

How did they prove he wasn't hired simply because he was a Protestant?

Wait, they did prove it right......?

poeticseraphim

WileyCoyote wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/protestant-man-overlooked-for-job-because-of-his-religion-awarded-150000-3302828.html

The tribunal found that former Sinn Fein minister Conor Murphy breached a code of practice when he appointed Sean Hogan to the position as chairman of NI Water in March last year. Mr Hogan was the only Catholic applicant for the job. Four others, all Protestants, were turned down.

And then SF want to get into power down here, vertainly shows them up for what they are, and that is not the party of equality! Maybe they should just join forces with FF.

I always knew they were bigots.....:rolleyes:

I am sick of their hypocrisy....on many issues.....

Ghandee

Nowhere in that linked article does it say the protestant didn't get the job, 'despite being the best candidate and most suitably qualified'

Long gone are the days in the six counties when the 'catholics need not apply' note was stuck at the bottom of the job advertisement.

Some in the north aren't happy at the level of equality there is in the system now.

Should some evidence be shown that Mr Hogan wasn't the best candidate for the job I'll eat my words. Gladly.

Death and Taxes

Ghandee wrote: »

Nowhere in that linked article does it say the protestant didn't get the job, 'despite getting the best candidate and most suitably qualified'

Long gone are the days in the six counties when the 'catholics need not apply' note was stuck at the bottom of the job advertisement.

Some in the north aren't happy at the level of equality there is in the system now.

Should some evidence be shown that Mr Hogan wasn't the best candidate for the job I'll eat my words. Gladly.

Being Catholic makes him the best candidate?
The SF slogan "Equality for all Catholics. no prods need apply"!
Dr Lennon agreed to accept £150,000 after an employment tribunal ruled, in June, that he had been subjected to religious discrimination by the Department of Regional Development (DRD).

Would like some salt and pepper with that breakfast of words.

Winty

Ghandee wrote: »

Nowhere in that linked article does it say the protestant didn't get the job, 'despite getting the best candidate and most suitably qualified'

Long gone are the days in the six counties when the 'catholics need not apply' note was stuck at the bottom of the job advertisement.

Some in the north aren't happy at the level of equality there is in the system now.

Should some evidence be shown that Mr Hogan wasn't the best candidate for the job I'll eat my words. Gladly.

Sorry do you know more than the people who sat on the tribunal

Death and Taxes

Winty wrote: »

Sorry do you know more than the people who sat on the tribunal

Of course he does, shure they were all either dirty prods or west brits!:D

Ghandee

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Being Catholic makes him the best candidate?
The SF slogan "Equality for all Catholics. no prods need apply"!
Dr Lennon agreed to accept £150,000 after an employment tribunal ruled, in June, that he had been subjected to religious discrimination by the Department of Regional Development (DRD).

Would like some salt and pepper with that breakfast of words.

Winty wrote: »

Sorry do you know more than the people who sat on the tribunal

The details provided in the op's link are sketchy to say the least.

It says the man I'm question didn't get the job because he was a protestant, that's all it says.
It does not list his age/suitability/experience of either man, and how one got the job and the other did not.

What if the tables were turned, five applicants, only one catholic, and he didn't get the job? Would it be automatically true that he didn't get it cos he was the catholic in the bunch?

You guys aren't seeing a bigger picture here, and have not provided any further evidence as to why the guy didn't yet the job 'other than he was a prod'

Death and Taxes

Ghandee wrote: »

The details provided in the op's link are sketchy to say the least.

It says the man I'm question didn't get the job because he was a protestant, that's all it says.
It does not list his age/suitability/experience of either man, and how one got the job and the other did not.

What if the tables were turned, five applicants, only one catholic, and he didn't get the job? Would it be automatically true that he didn't get it cos he was the catholic in the bunch?

You guys aren't seeing a bigger picture here, and have not provided any further evidence as to why the guy didn't yet the job 'other than he was a prod'

Yea like the tribunal that found that he was a VICTIM of religious discrimination never heard any evidence!
Like he was paid compensation because his claim was without merit.
I like a lot of your posts Ghandee, but sometimes its best not to try defending the indefensible.

Jimoslimos

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Yea like the tribunal that found that he was a VICTIM of religious discrimination never heard any evidence!
Like he was paid compensation because his claim was without merit.
I like a lot of your posts Ghandee, but sometimes its best not to try defending the indefensible.

It is entirely possible that the most qualified person got the job but other candidates did not have their application treated and considered equally - that's what the payout is for, not that he didn't get the position.

BensonSlide

Are Sinn Fein going to a hold an internal investigation into this? For a party who spend so much time arguing against exclusion, discrimination and sectarianism it would be a bit brass-necked of them to try and sweep this under the carpet.

Winty

Ghandee wrote: »

You guys aren't seeing a bigger picture here, and have not provided any further evidence as to why the guy didn't yet the job 'other than he was a prod'

We do not need evidence we are not and tribunal, a please do not use the word prod even in jest it's rude

DonLimon

What about the other three prods?

mackg

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Yea like the tribunal that found that he was a VICTIM of religious discrimination never heard any evidence!
Like he was paid compensation because his claim was without merit.
I like a lot of your posts Ghandee, but sometimes its best not to try defending the indefensible.

Considering that the person best suited to the job is subjective to a certain degree assuming that all the applicants or at least one of the others had the appropriate training/education/experience. There is nothing strange about wanting to know how discrimination was proved in a case where it might be difficult to so when the article is so sketchy on details. This is a serous matter after all.

Winty

DonLimon wrote: »

What about the other three prods?

Can we all hold off the prod term please

Pompey Magnus

Why did the other 3 Protestants not get similar compensation? Was it only one Protestant discrimated against and the other 3 treated fairly?

Ghandee

Winty wrote: »

We do not need evidence we are not and tribunal, a please do not use the word prod even in jest it's rude

We need some sort of understanding as to how the tribunal reached its verdict no?

Gummy Panda

I assume they know someone is catholic or protestant from the area they live in?

BensonSlide

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I assume they know someone is catholic or protestant from the area they live in?

They know by the way they hold a mug, or dig a hole with a shovel. Very canny chaps up there.

K-9

Ghandee wrote: »

The details provided in the op's link are sketchy to say the least.

It says the man I'm question didn't get the job because he was a protestant, that's all it says.
It does not list his age/suitability/experience of either man, and how one got the job and the other did not.

What if the tables were turned, five applicants, only one catholic, and he didn't get the job? Would it be automatically true that he didn't get it cos he was the catholic in the bunch?

You guys aren't seeing a bigger picture here, and have not provided any further evidence as to why the guy didn't yet the job 'other than he was a prod'

I wonder would people be so suspicious if it was a Catholic that was discriminated against?

PS. Mod Note:

Cut out the prod references on the thread.

HunniBear

Well to be fair, the job was to be pope.

Ghandee

K-9 wrote: »

I wonder would people be so suspicious if it was a Catholic that was discriminated against?

Exactly, that's why I asked:

Ghandee wrote: »

What if the tables were turned, five applicants, only one catholic, and he didn't get the job? Would it be automatically true that he didn't get it cos he was the catholic in the bunch?

The fact is, that one catholic from five applicants could just as easily claim he was discriminated against if he hadn't of got the job.

That is unless he wasn't as qualified as the other four applicants.

Sadly, these details haven't been made known to us by the tribunal.

Chips Lovell

The tribunal's decision is available online.

Ghandee

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I assume they know someone is catholic or protestant from the area they live in?

Most job application processes in the north now require you to declare your religion due to equality reasons.

In fact, it is not uncommon to see notes under job ad's (I haven't lived up home in near term years, but I assume it still happens) that certain companies put things like:

X company is an equal opportunities employer, and due to underrepresentation in is work force, we would particularly welcome applicants from the catholic/protestant community.

Chuck Stone

poeticseraphim wrote: »

I always knew they were bigots.....:rolleyes:

Jimmy Saville abused children. All DJ's are child abusers.

Stunning use of logic, eh?

Ghandee

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

The tribunal's decision is available online.

62 pages!

I'll not be able to read that until after work today.

Anyone fancy giving a summary?

NinjaK

what a load of rubbish!

K-9

Ghandee wrote: »

Exactly, that's why I asked:



The fact is, that one catholic from five applicants could just as easily claim he was discriminated against if he hadn't of got the job.

That is unless he wasn't as qualified as the other four applicants.

Sadly, these details haven't been made known to us by the tribunal.

I don't think you can get definitive proof or at least it usually is very difficult. They would have to go on the available evidence, procedures not followed that type of stuff and make their mind up. By its nature a case like this cannot be 100% certain unless they've taped evidence.

So I'd say you are right to question it but the evidence suggests the other 4 candidates didn't get a fair shout at it.

Show Time

WileyCoyote wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/protestant-man-overlooked-for-job-because-of-his-religion-awarded-150000-3302828.html

The tribunal found that former Sinn Fein minister Conor Murphy breached a code of practice when he appointed Sean Hogan to the position as chairman of NI Water in March last year. Mr Hogan was the only Catholic applicant for the job. Four others, all Protestants, were turned down.

And then SF want to get into power down here, vertainly shows them up for what they are, and that is not the party of equality! Maybe they should just join forces with FF.

Sure God love the poor old orange boys.

They are finding it hard to get work in a fair and equal environment now.

Winty

Show Time wrote: »

Sure God love the poor old orange boys.

They are finding it hard to get work in a fair and equal environment now.

Just because a person is Protestant does not make them orange

I thought everyone knew that

Are all Catholic men alter boys

Chuck Stone

I'm assuming the tribunal's findings weren't some sort of conspiracy against SF. We could do without replacing one bunch of sectarian cunts, who caused the troubles, with another up north.

Show Time

Winty wrote: »

Just because a person is Protestant does not make them orange

I thought everyone knew that

Are all Catholic men alter boys

Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.

Chips Lovell

And this justifies the same thing being done to protestants?

Ghandee

Civil rights movement in the north was for what exactly?

Ghandee

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

And this justifies the same thing being done to protestants?

Obviously not.

Show Time

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

And this justifies the same thing being done to protestants?

Some would call it poetic justice.

K-9

Show Time wrote: »

Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.

And what bearing has that to this case other than the usual whaboutery?

Death and Taxes

Show Time wrote: »

Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.

Which has zero to do with the case in hand.
BTW your post shows little understanding of the true barbarity of the apartied regime in SA

Death and Taxes

Show Time wrote: »

Some would call it poetic justice.

They would be piss poor poets with an abject lack of understanding of the concept of justice!

Chips Lovell

Show Time wrote: »

Some would call it poetic justice.

I think that comment speaks for itself.

Chuck Stone

So it's into the trenches we go with our hard hats and rifles.

See y'all Xmas day for a game of football in no-man's-land.

Show Time

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Which has zero to do with the case in hand.
BTW your post shows little understanding of the true barbarity of the apartied regime in SA

No when it comes to history i am always spot on kid.

As for the case in hand we have a few orange heads crying injustice because they did not get a job and with the orange and prods past record dealing with catholics in the 60' 70's and 80's i personally find it hard to feel sorry for any old orange drummer boy crying injustice.

Show Time

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

I think that comment speaks for itself.

Don't be afraid to give a proper reply instead of a smart arse comment.

Death and Taxes

Show Time wrote: »

No when it comes to history i am always spot on kid.

As for the case in hand we have a few orange heads crying injustice because they did not get a job and with the orange and prods past record dealing with catholics in the 60' 70's and 80's i personally find it hard to feel sorry for any old orange drummer boy crying injustice.

To respond to that vitriolic diatribe of hatred in the way I want to, would earn me a ban.:mad:

Show Time

WileyCoyote wrote: »

To respond to that vitriolic diatribe of hatred in the way I want to, would earn me a ban.:mad:

So are you trying to tell me a Catholic could have walked into any job up North in the height of the troubles??

K-9

Show Time wrote: »

So are you trying to tell me a Catholic could have walked into any job up North in the height of the troubles??

We get you know your history, stop living in it and move on.

Tigger

If all prodestants deserved to be mistreated because of the actions of those who went before do all white people deserve the same because of what went on in South Africa or all Germans because of the concentrations camps or all Americans because of the natives or all Australians because of the aboriginals ?

At some point a line must be drawn.

Show Time

K-9 wrote: »

We get you know your history, stop living in it and move on.

It's amazing what people can forget in such a short period of time.

humanji

Show Time wrote: »

No when it comes to history i am always spot on kid.

As for the case in hand we have a few orange heads crying injustice because they did not get a job and with the orange and prods past record dealing with catholics in the 60' 70's and 80's i personally find it hard to feel sorry for any old orange drummer boy crying injustice.

If you're smart enough to spell "Catholics" then you're smart enough to spell "Protestants". Stop calling people "prods" and "orange", it just makes you come across as a bigot.

Winty

Show Time wrote: »

Go back in time a few years and you will find plenty of evidence thart Catholic people were treated worse than the blacks in South Africa.

What had this "fact" got to do with not all Protestants not being in the orange order

anncoates

I'm wondering are there additional facts here to the case because I find it hard to see where the religious discrimination is based on the fact that there was a religious ration of 4:1 in the applicants?

I detest Sinn Fein but I need to see more proof here.

Would be interesting to know who made this decision in the tribunal and for what reason.

You can't help feeling this could just be part of the tedious and interminable - and financially draining - discrimination whataboutery that will continue to bedevil the North.