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Mickeroo · 22-11-2012 01:34PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

Question - did you guys like the jokes/levity in TDKR? Like the cop says (regarding Batman reappearing) "oh you're in for a show tonight!", Lucius (I'm paraphrasing) "usually you'd ask for some crazy gadget. Lemme show you something anyway". Although I did chuckle at it, I felt it was a bit of admission that the audience/Nolan gets there is a formula.

I liked it, it was kind of like Nolan was more keen to acknowledge the movie as a straight up super-hero yarn than he did with TDK some ways but still managed to retain the qualities he brought to the first two films. Skyfall tried to do something similar (though without as much success) in where it got a bit tongue in cheek in places, like it was acknowledging the absurdity of it's premise but still trying to keep proceeding relatively gritty.

krudler · 22-11-2012 02:00PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

I think Nolan uses it perfectly to compliment what's on the screen. Rarely is it all green-screen, there's something real in the shot to work off so it looks much more realistic

Question - did you guys like the jokes/levity in TDKR? Like the cop says (regarding Batman reappearing) "oh you're in for a show tonight!", Lucius (I'm paraphrasing) "usually you'd ask for some crazy gadget. Lemme show you something anyway". Although I did chuckle at it, I felt it was a bit of admission that the audience/Nolan gets there is a formula.

the "you're in for a show tonight son!" was one of my favourite moments in the movie. and Bane's "then why are you people here?" to the stock market guy who says there no money to steal, its not overly funny but he had a point :pac:

maximoose · 22-11-2012 02:30PM

Quite a few funny little one liners throughout all three films actually...

"Whats the point of all those push ups if you can't lift a bloody log!"
"Accomplice? I'm gonna tell them the whole thing was your idea"

ancapailldorcha · 22-11-2012 02:40PM

I remember the Donegal Democrat gave TDK 4/5, docking a star saying it wasn't funny.

Andy!! · 22-11-2012 03:09PM

krudler wrote: »

does it though?

Yes.

Savman · 22-11-2012 06:22PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I remember the Donegal Democrat gave TDK 4/5, docking a star saying it wasn't funny.

A whole star docked by the pinnacle of entertainment reporting that is the Donegal Democrat :eek:

Obviously TDK is a flop!

Armin_Tamzarian · 22-11-2012 06:30PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I remember the Donegal Democrat gave TDK 4/5, docking a star saying it wasn't funny.

The Joker's bad puns were brilliant.
Batman/Wayne's sense of humour is terrible.

cloud493 · 22-11-2012 06:34PM

I'd say most significant stuff happens at night in the TDK.

Batman extracts Lau from Hong Kong
The scene with Dent being transferred to prison, then Rachel dying and Harvey being injured
The joker blowing up the jail
The boat scene
Gordon and Batman seeing Dent turned
Batman taking the fall for Dent's madness
The joker finally being captured

ancapailldorcha · 22-11-2012 06:39PM

To this day, I still refuse to buy that rag.

Oafley Jones · 22-11-2012 07:44PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

Question - did you guys like the jokes/levity in TDKR? Like the cop says (regarding Batman reappearing) "oh you're in for a show tonight!", Lucius (I'm paraphrasing) "usually you'd ask for some crazy gadget. Lemme show you something anyway". Although I did chuckle at it, I felt it was a bit of admission that the audience/Nolan gets there is a formula.

Hated it. And this is coming from someone who despises the notion that dark/brooding/gritty = quality. If the jokes were decent or consistent with the tone Nolan was going for then fair enough, but Goyer's ****e sense of humour easily made this (already bad film) the cheesiest of the trilogy. I will give the man credit for "Drunken Billionaire Burns down House" in Begins as being great.

I've no time for Miller either.

IncognitoMan · 22-11-2012 07:51PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

Question - did you guys like the jokes/levity in TDKR? Like the cop says (regarding Batman reappearing) "oh you're in for a show tonight!",

I thought that was a nod to the dark knight returns more than a joke.

Gamb!t · 22-11-2012 10:11PM

cloud493 wrote: »

I'd say most significant stuff happens at night in the TDK.

Batman extracts Lau from Hong Kong
The scene with Dent being transferred to prison, then Rachel dying and Harvey being injured
The joker blowing up the jail
The boat scene
Gordon and Batman seeing Dent turned
Batman taking the fall for Dent's madness
The joker finally being captured

I enjoyed the Dark Knight except for that scene.

Andy!! · 23-11-2012 04:26AM

cloud493 wrote: »

I'd say most significant stuff happens at night in the TDK.

Batman extracts Lau from Hong Kong
The scene with Dent being transferred to prison, then Rachel dying and Harvey being injured
The joker blowing up the jail
The boat scene
Gordon and Batman seeing Dent turned
Batman taking the fall for Dent's madness
The joker finally being captured

How is the fact that notable stuff happened at night relevant? Far too much still took place during the day.

And yeh the boat scene was ****e. That was supposed to be the big crescendo, but honestly I didnt care about the people on either boat.

Mickeroo · 23-11-2012 05:52AM

Andy!! wrote: »

How is the fact that notable stuff happened at night relevant? Far too much still took place during the day.

And yeh the boat scene was ****e. That was supposed to be the big crescendo, but honestly I didnt care about the people on either boat.

It's completely irrelevant what time of day anything happens tbh.

Andy!! · 23-11-2012 07:36AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

It's completely irrelevant what time of day anything happens tbh.

Must introduce you to the general concept of Batman sometime. Oh and art direction, mood, etc...

Mickeroo · 23-11-2012 11:35AM

Andy!! wrote: »

Must introduce you to the general concept of Batman sometime. Oh and art direction, mood, etc...

Indeed. Lets not be childish now. All the actual bits with with batman happen at night though with other scenes taking place in the day which is fairly common in batman comics etc. and i have seen batman come out during the day in books too (mainly JLA in fairness).

I must introduce you to the actual The Dark Knight thread since that's all you seem to ever want to talk about.

Andy!! · 23-11-2012 03:16PM

When talking about a movie its inevitable that the preceeding movies come up. It aint me doing it though, other posters. Not that there is anything wrong with it.

krudler · 23-11-2012 09:11PM

Andy!! wrote: »

Must introduce you to the general concept of Batman sometime. Oh and art direction, mood, etc...

hardly anything with Batman himself happens during the day in TDK though, in TDKR yeah ok the entire climax is in daytime but does it really matter?

Andy!! · 24-11-2012 04:32AM

The more I watch the plane seen the less sense it makes and the more I hate it. When I saw it in previews I thought Bane was doing something really smart, that running the dentals from guy left behind would unveil something amazing, but no. A blood transfusion to make them believe that guy was Pavel? What?? He falls a thousand feet in a steel tube, how much of that is still gonna be in his body after he lands? Also, do the CIA not have any pictures of Pavel?

F U John Nolan you muppet.

krudler · 24-11-2012 12:06PM

Andy!! wrote: »

The more I watch the plane seen the less sense it makes and the more I hate it. When I saw it in previews I thought Bane was doing something really smart, that running the dentals from guy left behind would unveil something amazing, but no. A blood transfusion to make them believe that guy was Pavel? What?? He falls a thousand feet in a steel tube, how much of that is still gonna be in his body after he lands? Also, do the CIA not have any pictures of Pavel?

F U John Nolan you muppet.

Its actually dumb as fcuk plot and sense wise. Great sequence for the stunt itself but it makes zero sense. Considering Bane already has Pavel, why does he need to know what Pavel told the CIA? its doesnt matter in the slightest and they could easily have faked his death in another less ridiculous way.

Armin_Tamzarian · 24-11-2012 12:37PM

krudler wrote: »

Its actually dumb as fcuk plot and sense wise. Great sequence for the stunt itself but it makes zero sense. Considering Bane already has Pavel, why does he need to know what Pavel told the CIA? its doesnt matter in the slightest and they could easily have faked his death in another less ridiculous way.

It's ridiculous in so many ways.
He could have done all of that on the ground, the blood transfusion, why would Bane care if everyone knew Pavel was alive but missing, the bullet ridden corpses that are supposed to have just died in a plane crash, very poor writing.

Still, leaving all that aside, I really enjoyed that opening scene.

krudler · 24-11-2012 12:44PM

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

It's ridiculous in so many ways.
He could have done all of that on the ground, the blood transfusion, why would Bane care if everyone knew Pavel was alive but missing, the bullet ridden corpses that are supposed to have just died in a plane crash, very poor writing.

Still, leaving all that aside, I really enjoyed that opening scene.

anyone investigating the plane crash would have seen that the wings had fallen off way before it crash landed, the tail had been blown off with explosives, the windows shot in and the crew riddled with bullets, its hardly gonna look accidental :pac:

Armin_Tamzarian · 24-11-2012 12:48PM

krudler wrote: »

anyone investigating the plane crash would have seen that the wings had fallen off way before it crash landed, the tail had been blown off with explosives, the windows shot in and the crew riddled with bullets, its hardly gonna look accidental :pac:

A monkey with sever learning difficulties could probably have came up with something more convincing.
I like the scene as I thought it was a good introduction to Bane.
The nervousness as Aidan Gillen removes hood.
Bane's supreme confidence as he casually and somewhat lethargically tells him that getting captured was all part of his (ridiculous) plan, some dry humour thrown in too for good measure.

jaykhunter · 24-11-2012 04:42PM

Watching TDKR again I liked it more, although I still have some gripes with the film. That said, when Batman and Bane are fighting at the end, when it's snowing during the day, shot in IMAX, it's absolutely beautiful. I also enjoyed the initial slug-fest between the two much more. Batman is really not Batman in the first fight, he's wild but cocky, it's like a boxing match, seeing him growl in frustration and getting thoroughly outmatched.

krudler · 24-11-2012 05:05PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

Watching TDKR again I liked it more, although I still have some gripes with the film. That said, when Batman and Bane are fighting at the end, when it's snowing during the day, shot in IMAX, it's absolutely beautiful. I also enjoyed the initial slug-fest between the two much more. Batman is really not Batman in the first fight, he's wild but cocky, it's like a boxing match, seeing him growl in frustration and getting thoroughly outmatched.

I didnt really like how Batman basically learns nothing and wades back into Bane in a fistfight again, lets be honest he gets one lucky swipe in that severs the hose on Bane's mask, he was getting hammered again until that.

Colmo52 · 24-11-2012 06:18PM

Andy!! wrote: »

The more I watch the plane seen the less sense it makes and the more I hate it. When I saw it in previews I thought Bane was doing something really smart, that running the dentals from guy left behind would unveil something amazing, but no. A blood transfusion to make them believe that guy was Pavel? What?? He falls a thousand feet in a steel tube, how much of that is still gonna be in his body after he lands? Also, do the CIA not have any pictures of Pavel?

F U John Nolan you muppet.

What makes you think it was his fault and not his brother's?

Andy!! · 24-11-2012 06:29PM

Colmo52 wrote: »

What makes you think it was his fault and not his brother's?

Cause Chris Nolan is a genius whereas his brother is a muppet

Handsome Bob · 24-11-2012 06:49PM

The scene has often been described as "Bond-esque" and given Chris Nolan's love for James Bond, I think it's fair to say that the scene is all him rather than his brother.

Anyway, I can agree that it wasn't my favourite opening ever as it felt "tached on", it wasn't very Batman. That being said, it did establish Bane as a mirror to Bruce as it was reminiscent of Bruce's sky-hook trick in TDK.

Nervous Wreck · 24-11-2012 09:19PM

krudler wrote: »

I didnt really like how Batman basically learns nothing and wades back into Bane in a fistfight again, lets be honest he gets one lucky swipe in that severs the hose on Bane's mask, he was getting hammered again until that.

It's long since been established that the fights didn't come down to just brawling and were each won mentally long before the first punches were thrown.

Bruce: "You're afraid I'll lose."
Alfread: "No sir, I'm afraid you'll want to."

Bats went into the first fight looking to meet his end. The second fight, he wanted to win. And it wasn't a lucky swipe; he had basically been told in the pit to fuck up Bane's mask and he did just that.

Mark Hamill · 24-11-2012 09:57PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

And it wasn't a lucky swipe; he had basically been told in the pit to fuck up Bane's mask and he did just that.

Look at the first fight again, Batman punches Bane and Bane essentially blocks it with the front of his mask (before they go over the railings). In the second fight he was still getting battered (hence he was backing up the whole time) but caught Banes mask, while he was spinning, with a lucky swipe with his bat-gloves. The main difference in both fights was in the first one Batman got thrown off the catwalk and couldn't recover from the impact. The second one didn't have anywhere for Batman to fall off, but he was doing just as bad up to when he got the strike in.

I totally agree with the psychological aspect in this, but the actual choreography was ****e beyond belief and didn't correspond with the psychological stuff at all. Here Comes the Boom has far better fight choreography than TDKR.

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