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Top Hamas Military leader killed - Israel/Hamas on the brink of War??

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  • #272
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    Merk35 wrote: »
    I think at this juncture with the hyperbole flying and people unwisely using a biased source like Electronic Intifada (you'd have thought the clue is in the name) it's worth remembering some facts over accusations of Israel not wanting peace or the excuse of 'settlements' being the issue.

    First of all, palestinian terrorism (and that's exactly what it is) pre-dates all settlements. It pre-dates any occupation and most crucially, pre-dates Israel's founding. For example, in 1929 the Jews of Hebron who had lived there for Millennia, were massacred and driven off their land. The palestinians still live in their homes.

    Secondly, Israel is about 70% smaller that it was after its wars. Contrary to popular belief about expanding - Israel has handed parts of the Judea & Samaria (West Bank) over to palestinian control, has handed southern Lebanon over, has handed the Sinai over and has handed Gaza over.

    That's 4 major land concessions bearing in mind Israel was the victor. In return for these concessions, Israel has faced terrorism, attempted attacks and threats every single day of its existence.

    It's also worth remembering that far from being this land-grabbing state lauding it up on large swathes of land, Israel is the size of Wales. Israel sits on roughly 0.6% of middle eastern land, whilst Arabs sit on 99.4% of middle east land.

    There are 56 Islamic countries, 22 Arab countries

    There is 1 Jewish state, 1 Israeli country.

    It's time the Irish started to actually educate themselves and THINK about this, instead of succumbing to emotional and instinctive support for a people they think they share an affinity with - because you couldn't be further from the truth.

    When Israelis in the occupied territories now claims that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing... You cant defend yourself when your militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defence. Call it what you like, its not defence.
    -Noam Chomsky

    We share that with them, we won and sooner or later so too will they.


  • #273
    Jaafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    I think this speaks for itself.
    Israeli interior minister Eli Yishai spoke on Israel's attack on Gaza. "The goal of the operation," he said," is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years." (Haaretz)


  • #274
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,202 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I think that's more his personal opinion.

    The guy's the leader of an ultra-orthodox party and would fit right in with the settlers.


  • #275
    Jaafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I think that's more his personal opinion.

    The guy's the leader of an ultra-orthodox party and would fit right in with the settlers.

    The 75,000 reservists massing on the boarder might disagree.


  • #276
    liammur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    Suff wrote: »
    Judaism is a religion and not a race. The Palestinians are the descendants of the people who have lived there since time began. They, like any other, did change with the times, they became Jews, Christians, Muslims and changed their language from Ugaritic language to Hebrew, Syriac to Aramaic then to Arabic. Israelis on the other hand are descendants of European, Asian and African Jews. But that doesn't mean that they can back track their faith-line to claim a land.



    Again, Islam is a faith and not a race. Also, Arabs are not a race... its a language. The Arabs didn't come from Mecca, the 'Arabs of Cham' as they were called, have been there for centuries before Islam. With the growing influence of the Arabic language, it took over from Aramaic. People of the region started using it due to its close similarity to Aramaic. It took a relatively short time for Arabic to become their language. And to this day, the arabic in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine is called 'Levantine Arabic' which is a result of the adoption of Arabic by speakers with a marked Aramaic substrate. Like me :)

    This is what I've been pointing out that Israel have been trying to create a Jewish race to distinguish itself from the rest of the world.



    Ah yes, but the Jews that did live there were Aramaic Syrians.

    Jewish is completely different to Israeli.

    With such attitude, we can call all Europe Christendom, and Saudi for example; Islamia or something stupid like that.



    If there's any ethnic cleansing in East Jerusalem it is done by the Israeli government against the Jerusalem Arabs population of Christians, Muslims and Jews. This is well documented, since 1967. Just do a little research under the term 'Judaization of Jerusalem'.

    Great post, 1 of the best I've read on any forum on boards.ie


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  • #277
    Merk35
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Merk35


    Offy wrote: »
    My only surprise is that you have the gall to post that and still expect to be taken seriously. When and why did you join this site? What religion are you? Where in the world do you live and where do you come from. I noly ask because you sound like a Jewish propaganda machine.

    And you sound like an Irish anti-semite. One of many, sadly.


  • #278
    Merk35
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Merk35


    Offy wrote: »
    When Israelis in the occupied territories now claims that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing... You cant defend yourself when your militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defence. Call it what you like, its not defence.
    -Noam Chomsky

    We share that with them, we won and sooner or later so too will they.

    Sorry, are you one of these extremists that think Tel-Aviv is occupied?


  • #279
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    Question. If the Israelis laid down their arms, dismantled their nuclear arsenal, stopped guarding their borders and nobody was to come to their aid. What do you think their fate would be?

    They know.


  • #280
    Merk35
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Merk35


    Suff wrote: »
    The Palestinians are the descendants of the people who have lived there since time began.

    Wow.

    I'll tell you what's quite interesting. Israel is one of the most excavated countries on earth. Archaeological teams from scores of countries work in Israel.

    What they've found over the decades is of course a tonne of Jewish artefacts, ruins, old synagogues. Lots of Christian-related artefacts, Roman, Greek etc

    As of yet, no one has found a single pot, a coin, a spoon, or a fragment of a cup that is identified with a 'palestinian' culture. No 'palestinian' coins, nothing.

    Your grasp of history is beyond appalling.

    The first time 'palestinians' ever even had a government, is 1993 under the Israelis. That's quite amazing given that you think they ran the show in that region for thousands of years :D

    The absolute state of your post is beyond factually wrong and into the realms of unhinged diarrhoea.


  • #281
    Merk35
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Merk35


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    Question. If the Israelis laid down their arms, dismantled their nuclear arsenal, stopped guarding their borders and nobody was to come to their aid. What do you think their fate would be?<br />
    <br />
    They know.
    <br />
    <br />
    The same fate as anyone who doesn't defend themselves against Islamic fundamentalism. As seen by everyone else who has been wiped out from the middle east. The Christians all but ethnically cleansed with a few pockets surviving, although I'm not sure if the Copts in Egypt have long left.

    The last prominent Christian in Gaza was gunned down a few years ago and the Christian book stores fire bombed.

    Lebanon was a Christian country, now hijacked by Shia radicals.

    The Palestinians are not unique, the conflict with Israel is not unique. It is played out all over the world in dozens of countries who are fighting Islamic fundamentalism.

    This is what it boils down too and very few people connect the dots. From India to China, from Russia to Mali, from the Philippines to Thailand, from Ethiopia to Nigeria, from Papua New guinea to Israel, Tanzania to Kenya etc etc all face Islamic insurgencies, all out wars or terrorism.

    And the palestinians are part of the global Islamic fundamentalist ideology of dominating the world.

    In a BBC interview with a senior Hamas figure a few years ago, he said "Islam is coming for you and there's nothing you can do about it"

    That's what this is about, not a few hills in the West Bank.


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  • #282
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    Merk35 wrote: »
    And you sound like an Irish anti-semite. One of many, sadly.
    And we all know what you sound like. And probably are. This hasbara stuff, do you get paid a flat rate per hour or do you get paid per post?

    Per word maybe?


  • #283
    tippspur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭tippspur


    Merk35 wrote: »
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    The same fate as anyone who doesn't defend themselves against Islamic fundamentalism. As seen by everyone else who has been wiped out from the middle east. The Christians all but ethnically cleansed with a few pockets surviving, although I'm not sure if the Copts in Egypt have long left.

    The last prominent Christian in Gaza was gunned down a few years ago and the Christian book stores fire bombed.

    Lebanon was a Christian country, now hijacked by Shia radicals.

    The Palestinians are not unique, the conflict with Israel is not unique. It is played out all over the world in dozens of countries who are fighting Islamic fundamentalism.

    This is what it boils down too and very few people connect the dots. From India to China, from Russia to Mali, from the Philippines to Thailand, from Ethiopia to Nigeria, from Papua New guinea to Israel, Tanzania to Kenya etc etc all face Islamic insurgencies, all out wars or terrorism.

    And the palestinians are part of the global Islamic fundamentalist ideology of dominating the world.

    In a BBC interview with a senior Hamas figure a few years ago, he said "Islam is coming for you and there's nothing you can do about it"

    That's what this is about, not a few hills in the West Bank.
    Well said.


  • #284
    Merk35
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Merk35


    GRMA wrote: »
    And we all know what you sound like. And probably are. This hasbara stuff, do you get paid a flat rate per hour or do you get paid per post?<br />
    <br />
    Per word maybe?
    <br />
    <br />
    More anti-semitism. Anyone defending Israel must be a Jewish agent being paid. Can't trust them you see.

    The Irish have a very grubby anti-semitic history and they consistently find themselves on the wrong side of history.

    Be it supporting the Germans in WWI, colluding with Nazis in WWII, supporting ETA & FARC and now rooting for Islamic fundamentalists that apart from blowing people up, also like to do some oppressing of gays, women and anyone with a different political affiliation.

    Of course given the Irish attitude towards women (especially pregnant ones) with regards to passport confiscations and keeping pregnant women prisoners in their country - coupled with the unfortunate history of supporting terrorist groups - it's actually not surprising that you seem to have a lot in common with Islamic radicals.

    I was also going to mention the unfortunate history you and the Islamic culture have for indulging with kid-fiddling - thereby cementing your common interests even further, but I've been told by my handlers in Tel-Aviv that I've to stick to the main points about palestinians and not go off topic.


  • #285
    TheUsual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭TheUsual


    *Quickly google 'hasbara'*

    "Some hasbara experts study methods used by Palestinian activists and offer advice on how to respond. Describing demonstrators as "youths," for example, creates a different impression from calling them "children." They draw attention to the subtle differences of meaning between words such as demonstration and riot, terror organization and Palestinian political organization. They advise against name calling and point scoring."


  • #286
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    Merk35 wrote: »
    <br />
    <br />
    More anti-semitism. Anyone defending Israel must be a Jewish agent being paid. Can't trust them you see.

    The Irish have a very grubby anti-semitic history and they consistently find themselves on the wrong side of history.

    Be it supporting the Germans in WWI, colluding with Nazis in WWII, supporting ETA & FARC and now rooting for Islamic fundamentalists that apart from blowing people up, also like to do some oppressing of gays, women and anyone with a different political affiliation.

    Of course given the Irish attitude towards women (especially pregnant ones) with regards to passport confiscations and keeping pregnant women prisoners in their country - coupled with the unfortunate history of supporting terrorist groups - it's actually not surprising that you seem to have a lot in common with Islamic radicals.

    I was also going to mention the unfortunate history you and the Islamic culture have for indulging with kid-fiddling - thereby cementing your common interests even further, but I've been told by my handlers in Tel-Aviv that I've to stick to the main points about palestinians and not go off topic.
    Oh dear.


    With attitudes and comments like that I don't think you'll be getting the "céad míle fáilte" but rather a contemptuous "Slán" rather promptly.

    Us Irish you see, appreciate and understand what it's like to be thrown off your land and have it taken by foreign colonials.

    No amount of persecution makes that justifiable.

    Especially when the land "given" to you by the people who did the persecuting, Europeans, belongs to an innocent third party who's land European powers, ie Britain, had no right to either.


  • #287
    Merk35
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Merk35


    TheUsual wrote: »
    *Quickly google 'hasbara'*<br />
    <br />
    "Some hasbara experts study methods used by Palestinian activists and offer advice on how to respond. Describing demonstrators as "youths," for example, creates a different impression from calling them "children." They draw attention to the subtle differences of meaning between words such as demonstration and riot, terror organization and Palestinian political organization. <b>They advise against name calling and point scoring</b>."
    <br />
    <br />

    Damn. looks like I'm not getting paid this month.


  • #288
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Merk35 wrote: »
    <br />
    <br />

    Damn. looks like I'm not getting paid this month.

    And you'll have to go to all the bother of re-registering, too, if you plan on posting in the next week or so. 1 week ban for consistent incivility and general incitement.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • #289
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Merk35 wrote: »
    <br />
    Of course given the Irish attitude towards women (especially pregnant ones) with regards to passport confiscations and keeping pregnant women prisoners in their country - coupled with the unfortunate history of supporting terrorist groups - it's actually not surprising that you seem to have a lot in common with Islamic radicals.

    Funny that you should mention passports..... We really showed our true colours as an anti-semetic nation by getting peeved when the Israeli state forces cloned some of our passports to go murder some man on foreign sovereign soil. The cheek of us eh!


  • #290
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Merk35 wrote: »
    Wow.

    I'll tell you what's quite interesting. Israel is one of the most excavated countries on earth. Archaeological (..........)diarrhoea.

    That was answered back here.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81802619&postcount=265
    I presume you missed the post, as you didn't respond to it, and it directly contradicts your narrative above.
    Merk35 wrote: »
    The same fate as anyone who doesn't defend (..........) in the West Bank. .

    There are still christians in Gaza.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians#Christians_of_Gaza

    In addition neither Fatah/PLO are "islamic fundamentalists", nor are the PFLP.


  • #291
    Logical_Bear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Logical_Bear


    Nodin wrote: »
    There are still christians in Gaza.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians#Christians_of_Gaza

    indeed there are,got a lift off a coptic christian back to the erez checkpoint once.Not very visible but they are there


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  • #292
    Fits Morris
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 243 ✭✭Fits Morris


    We are constantly told by the supporters of Israel that there is a difference between the deliberate targeting of children and the deaths of children merely as a result of that wonderfully Orwellian phrase, "collateral damage". To those people, I'd like to ask: does that also apply to IRA bombings, such as the one in Warrington, or to the "Real IRA" bombing of Omagh, amongst others? Because there is usually a very strong crossover between people who are vehemently anti-IRA and vehemeNtly pro-Israel.

    Were the deaths of children (and adults in the latter case) at Warrington and Omagh merely collateral damage? The aim of both of those bombs, uncomfortable as the truth may be, was not to kill children. Does that mean they were not murder? If the answer is no, as I'm sure you'll agree it is, does that not mean that when Israel kills civilians with aerial attacks, that the answer is also no - ie that it very much is murder?


  • #293
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Fits Morris wrote: »
    We are constantly told by the supporters of Israel that there is a difference between the deliberate targeting of children and the deaths of children merely as a result of that wonderfully Orwellian phrase, "collateral damage". To those people, I'd like to ask: does that also apply to IRA bombings, such as the one in Warrington, or to the "Real IRA" bombing of Omagh, amongst others? Because there is usually a very strong crossover between people who are vehemently anti-IRA and vehemeNtly pro-Israel.

    Were the deaths of children (and adults in the latter case) at Warrington and Omagh merely collateral damage? The aim of both of those bombs, uncomfortable as the truth may be, was not to kill children. Does that mean they were not murder? If the answer is no, as I'm sure you'll agree it is, does that not mean that when Israel kills civilians with aerial attacks, that the answer is also no - ie that it very much is murder?

    Collateral damage is a military euphemism for murder its a moot point. Anyone with a brain and anyone who chooses to engage that brain knows and can see this. Only the indoctrinated or people who willfully ignore this fact would equate one description of murder with another - "collateral damage". Murder is murder.


  • #294
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Fits Morris wrote: »
    We are constantly told by the supporters of Israel that there is a difference between the deliberate targeting of children and the deaths of children merely as a result of that wonderfully Orwellian phrase, "collateral damage". To those people, I'd like to ask: does that also apply to IRA bombings, such as the one in Warrington, or to the "Real IRA" bombing of Omagh, amongst others? Because there is usually a very strong crossover between people who are vehemently anti-IRA and vehemeNtly pro-Israel.

    Were the deaths of children (and adults in the latter case) at Warrington and Omagh merely collateral damage? The aim of both of those bombs, uncomfortable as the truth may be, was not to kill children. Does that mean they were not murder? If the answer is no, as I'm sure you'll agree it is, does that not mean that when Israel kills civilians with aerial attacks, that the answer is also no - ie that it very much is murder?

    But all Hamas does is target civilians in their attacks. And they know exactly what they're doing by firing rockets from densely populated areas near hospitals and playgrounds. They don't care about Isreali children or their own if a response results in collateral damage - it stokes the fires for more martyrs and garners greater international sympathy. It's horrendous when any civilians are killed in this conflict but one side is specifically targeting them with malice.


  • #295
    brimal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭brimal


    GRMA wrote: »
    And we all know what you sound like. And probably are. This hasbara stuff, do you get paid a flat rate per hour or do you get paid per post?

    Per word maybe?

    Lazy tactic. It's very telling when people 'thank' these sort of posts too. I guess it separates the wheat from the chaff.
    GRMA wrote: »
    Oh dear.

    With attitudes and comments like that I don't think you'll be getting the "céad míle fáilte" but rather a contemptuous "Slán" rather promptly.

    Us Irish you see, appreciate and understand what it's like to be thrown off your land and have it taken by foreign colonials.

    No amount of persecution makes that justifiable.

    Especially when the land "given" to you by the people who did the persecuting, Europeans, belongs to an innocent third party who's land European powers, ie Britain, had no right to either.

    Oh dear indeed.

    If you think this Merk35 guy is an Israeli, then you obviously haven't had much interaction with Israelis before, or none at all even.


  • #296
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Merk35 wrote: »
    Wow.

    I'll tell you what's quite interesting. Israel is one of the most excavated countries on earth. Archaeological teams from scores of countries work in Israel.

    What they've found over the decades is of course a tonne of Jewish artefacts, ruins, old synagogues. Lots of Christian-related artefacts, Roman, Greek etc

    As of yet, no one has found a single pot, a coin, a spoon, or a fragment of a cup that is identified with a 'palestinian' culture. No 'palestinian' coins, nothing.

    I'm just waiting for "...made the desert bloom."


  • #297
    Suff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Suff


    Merk35 wrote: »
    I'll tell you what's quite interesting. Israel is one of the most excavated countries on earth. Archaeological teams from scores of countries work in Israel. What they've found over the decades is of course a tonne of Jewish artefacts, ruins, old synagogues. Lots of Christian-related artefacts, Roman, Greek etc As of yet, no one has found a single pot, a coin, a spoon, or a fragment of a cup that is identified with a 'palestinian' culture. No 'palestinian' coins, nothing.

    and again... the same approach. You keep using the word 'Jewish' to validate Israel's claims.

    Palestinian is the modern name given to the people who've inhabited this small geographic region between Syria and Egypt. The name came from the term 'Peleset' which have been documented when found in numerous Egyptian artefacts referring to a neighboring people and land starting from 1150 BC during the Twentieth dynasty of Egypt.

    However, the first mention was found in texts of the temple at Medinet Habu in Luxor, which records a people called the Peleset among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign.

    The Assyrians called the same region Palashtu or Pilistu, beginning with Adad-nirari III (King of Assyria) on his campaign to siege Damascus in the Nimrud Slab in 800 BC. Which predates all the cultures and periods you've mentioned.

    The first 'clear' use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC in Ancient Greece when Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistine.

    Now, as for Jews take on the name, the Hebrew name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth) – usually translated as Philistia in English, is used in the Bible more than 250 times, Book of Judges and the Books of Samuel. In the Torah / Pentateuch the term Philistia is used 10 times.

    So much to your claim that the name, and people had never existed.
    Your grasp of history is beyond appalling.

    Israel has been trying endlessly to change history's take on this issue (using the media) to suit its agenda. And yet, it falls face down when debating actual references, figures and historical text books.
    The first time 'palestinians' ever even had a government, is 1993 under the Israelis. That's quite amazing given that you think they ran the show in that region for thousands of years :D

    It is clear now that your perception of Palestine and Palestinian people starts from 1993 onwards, anything that predate that is none existent.
    The absolute state of your post is beyond factually wrong and into the realms of unhinged diarrhoea.

    Thank you, always a pleasure to debate with you.


  • #298
    Suff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Suff


    felt like further explaining one point regarding archaeological sites.

    Archaeological sites are constantly being uncovered. (around 4,000 sites to date) when a site is uncovered the Israeli government acts quick by sending a rapid removal and recording unit to examine the found artefacts before the site is covered up, or in most cases destroyed by building over them. link

    Israel continues to clash with UNESCO and the UN over the designation of holy sites in Jerusalem. link

    Israel has displayed no hesitation to destroy or seriously damage historic areas of cities like the Casbah in Nablus, or the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem as it did during Operation Defensive Shield in 2002. Immune to Muslim sensitivities and world protests, it continued with the destruction of graves in the ancient Muslim cemetery in Mamilla, Jerusalem, to build the “Museum of Tolerance” Link

    Between the Judaization of Jerusalem and the systematic destruction of Palestine’s rich cultural heritage, Israel is adamant on erasing all the heritage of Palestine, which is considered a great loss to the international archaeological community, and to the history of man kind.


  • #299
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    But all Hamas does is target civilians in their attacks. And they know exactly what they're doing by firing rockets from densely populated areas near hospitals and playgrounds. They don't care about Isreali children or their own if a response results in collateral damage - it stokes the fires for more martyrs and garners greater international sympathy. It's horrendous when any civilians are killed in this conflict but one side is specifically targeting them with malice.
    Israel does exactly the same thing, just calls it 'collateral damage', and just alleges they were targeting militants, when often they are deliberately targeting civilians or just don't give a toss what they're targeting so long as they hit something/someone.

    Undertaking attacks you know will kill civilians, and in large numbers, is the same as murder, and the idea that Israel does not deliberately attack civilians is bullshít; anyone who is an apologist for that, is bordering on being a sociopath.


    Lets look at one of the events last week:
    Saturday, 10 November 2012

    At approximately 15:30, Israeli military vehicles stationed at the border between the Gaza Strip and Israel fired an artillery shell at a number of Palestinian children who were playing football at al-Mentar Hill east of al-Shoja’iya neighborhood, which is east of Gaza City and nearly 1,500 meters away from the border. As a result, 2 children were instantly killed
    ...
    Following this attack, a number of Palestinian civilians, who were gathered to mourn a bereaved in the house of the Harara family, rushed to the area, where the IOF immediately fired another 3 shells. As a result, 2 Palestinian civilians were instantly killed
    That is straight-out fúcking murder, of 4 people; this is not only as indiscriminate as Hamas attacks, this directly targeted specific, innocent people, and targeted those gone to help them.

    http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8983:weekly-report-on-israeli-human-rights-violations-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territory-08-13-nov-2012&catid=144:new-reports


  • #300
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Right now they are also expanding attacks on Hamas officials, and showing no discrimination between them and their families:
    At least seven members of the same family, including four children, were among nine people killed when an Israeli missile struck a family home in Gaza City, the health ministry said.
    Among the dead were a man, two women and four children, all of whom were from the al-Dallu family, said spokesman Ashraf al-Qudra.
    A 70-year-old woman, also believed to be from the same family, and a 22-year-old man were also killed, he said.
    At least 20 people were injured in the strike, which flattened the three-storey building in Gaza City's Nasser neighbourhood.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/nov/18/israel-gaza-live-updates (3:19pm)

    Again, that is as good as murder.

    EDIT: They are also targeting media centers too, including those housing foreign journalists (such as from Sky News):
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/18/israeli-air-strikes-media-centres-gaza


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  • #301
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Apparently the commander of the Hamas rocket brigade, responsible for the crews launching the attacks on Israel has been killed. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/live-blog-day-5-of-israel-s-gaza-offensive-1.478624
    3:40 P.M. Head of Hamas rocket-launching unit Yehiya Bia killed by IAF. Bia was responsible for much of the rocket fire on Israel since the start of the operation.

    That would seem to be a good time to stop the current operation, some significant Hamas leaders dealt with and relatively few casualties on either side.


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