Bord Pleanala blocks demolition of Ireland’s first skyscraper Liberty Hall

keith16 · 17-11-2012 02:07AM

flutterflye wrote: »

Is Lansdowne supposed to look like a rugby ball?! :eek:

No, it's supposed to look like a stadium. Instead it looks like two thirds of a stadium / rugby ball. They could have turned the pitch 90 degrees and had an actual stadium.

Ah no, shure tis grand, we will leave it as it is and one end will just be small. 55,000 is grand. Shure why would you want to ever bring the champions league final to Dublin? And if there's less seats, shure we'll just charge more for the tickets. Say, 100 quid a pop?

Only 35,515 turned out to see Ireland lose 23-21 to South Africa in the first Test at the Aviva Stadium on Saturday, leaving 16,000 empty seats at the newly-redeveloped Lansdowne Road.

Peregrine · 17-11-2012 02:22AM

They're a joke. Skyscraper? for Christ sake :mad:
The docklands would've been the best place to have these "skyscrapers" or around Heuston, but they bloody ruined that too! Instead it's now full of bulky 6 storey apartments.

We'll never get anything built in this country with them. Who choses these idiots anyway? Surely after years of this crap the people must have a say in our all seeing, progress phobic overlords

flutterflye · 17-11-2012 03:29AM

keith16 wrote: »

No, it's supposed to look like a stadium. Instead it looks like two thirds of a stadium / rugby ball. They could have turned the pitch 90 degrees and had an actual stadium.

Oh okay, good. I thought this was one of those really obvious things that everyone 'gets' but me (happens a lot).

On the topic of Liberty Hall - Get rid of the ugly monstrosity, and while we're at it, get rid of all of Bord Pleanala, and re-establish the whole thing.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 17-11-2012 03:47AM

Reminds me of a friend from Union New Jersey. The first time he came over to Dublin he kept asking me where's the high rise. Funny how Americans associate cities with tall buildings. When I showed him Liberty he thought it was a piss take.

kowloon · 17-11-2012 05:26PM

Planning in this country is a bit mental. Don't want tall buildings in the middle of the city but an apartment complex in a village is fine. There seems to be no system. There's no plan behind the planning.

SHOVELLER · 18-11-2012 12:45AM

henryporter wrote: »

Clueless Philistines:

http://docomomo.ie/2010/03/liberty-hall-docomomo-observation-irish-times/

It's probably the best building in Dublin after Busarus.

Not even funny. I've been in both buildings and worked in the latter and they are hideous insdie and out. There is NO justification for either of them to be standing.

And I just passed it and there are no lights on which is apt.

keith16 wrote: »

No, it's supposed to look like a stadium. Instead it looks like two thirds of a stadium / rugby ball. They could have turned the pitch 90 degrees and had an actual stadium.

Ah no, shure tis grand, we will leave it as it is and one end will just be small. 55,000 is grand. Shure why would you want to ever bring the champions league final to Dublin? And if there's less seats, shure we'll just charge more for the tickets. Say, 100 quid a pop?

Actually it is grand as it is a fantastic stadium. Also there was a very valid reason why the pitch was not turned around. We had the Europa League final there last year. And I dont think its a coincidence that the FAI Cup finals played there have all been exciting.

Conmaicne Mara · 18-11-2012 01:05AM

An Bord Pleanala were never any use.

Not only should it be knocked down it should be sent into friggin orbit God awful monstrosity that it is.

BlaasForRafa · 18-11-2012 02:36AM

Liberty Hall is a nice example of the International style of architecture. It has pure lines and isn't as bland as most of the buildings put up during the celtic tiger period. If they sorted out the windows and restored the non-reflective type it would improve it.

randylonghorn · 18-11-2012 07:45AM

Ah jaysus Blaas! Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, ofc, but as far as I'm concerned it's shoite, international or not!! Way out of place and shoite! A monument to ego.

Mind you, the proposed replacement would have been no better, having researched it, so I guess I'll have to go with ABP on this one, despite disagreeing with the basis on which they took the decision.

18-11-2012 08:02AM

can we put the lights back on it.

i like the lights.

randylonghorn · 18-11-2012 08:04AM

Can't sleep without an illuminated erection to soothe you? :pac:

bbam · 18-11-2012 09:47AM

I think it should stay. Yes it's no gem as regards how it looks but it does have historical significance.
And I wouldn't let the unions build anything like that again. They are using it as a signal of their power and that really sickens me.

Then again I hardly ever go to Dublin so I rarely see the damn thing.

keith16 · 18-11-2012 09:59AM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Not even funny. I've been in both buildings and worked in the latter and they are hideous insdie and out. There is NO justification for either of them to be standing.

And I just passed it and there are no lights on which is apt.

Actually it is grand as it is a fantastic stadium. Also there was a very valid reason why the pitch was not turned around. We had the Europa League final there last year. And I dont think its a coincidence that the FAI Cup finals played there have all been exciting.

The Europa league is a second tier competition for a distinctly second tier stadium.

expectationlost · 18-11-2012 10:39AM

its the inside of the building that the issue not the outside

Capt'n Midnight · 18-11-2012 03:00PM

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

if there was more high-rise development in the city centre, there wouldn't be such an urban sprawl all around. A more compact city means less issues with providing public transport, utilities etc. etc.

The problem is not the height, it's that there is no mix of residential and commercial in most areas so you'd still have to commute to work.

For example only a tiny fraction of the people in Lucan / Clondalkin work locally. Almost everyone else has to cross the M50 at a few chokepoints.

RobbingBandit · 18-11-2012 03:06PM

What do Siptu need a "Skyscraper" for, wouldn't a nice hole in the wall do for them, seeing as they are rats and all.;)

MaxSteele · 18-11-2012 03:12PM

Demolition ?

Not if this man has something to say !!

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bnt · 18-11-2012 05:00PM

As a piece of "International Modernist" architecture, I suppose Liberty Hall is OK, but it's in the wrong place. Architecture (as opposed to Buildings) doesn't just come in to existence when you plonk a building on a spot. It's also about how buildings react with each other and their surroundings.

If you look at Chicago or New York, for example, you rarely see one skyscraper by itself. They are built in clusters, such as in two areas on Manhattan: Midtown (Empire State, Chryster, Seagram etc.) and Lower Manhattan (WTC, NY Plaze, buildings on West St. & Wall St.).

I think Dublin should adopt the model that Paris did: keep the central areas for "cultural" buildings, and zone a separate area where all the skyscrapers and modern buildings can go. In Paris this area is called La Défense, while Docklands and/or City West could serve the same role in Dublin. Liberty Hall might not look as ugly if it wasn't right next to Custom House.

ChippingSodbury · 20-11-2012 11:13PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The problem is not the height, it's that there is no mix of residential and commercial in most areas so you'd still have to commute to work.

For example only a tiny fraction of the people in Lucan / Clondalkin work locally. Almost everyone else has to cross the M50 at a few chokepoints.

From what I remember, development was originally only supposed to take place inside the M50. If you put more high-rise/ increase the density of office space in the city centre, it can be more compact and thus allow the residential areas to be closer to the centre. If the residential areas are no so far from the centre, they are easier to service with a good public transport systems. Commuting isn a problem, if it's relatively short &/or can be undertaken using public transport.

As a previous poster mentioned, the high-rise stuff can be clustered and kept away from areas where they would not fit in.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-11-2012 01:11AM

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

If the residential areas are no so far from the centre, they are easier to service with a good public transport systems. Commuting isn a problem, if it's relatively short &/or can be undertaken using public transport.

Most of our public transport system was destroyed during the War of Independence and subsequent lack of investment.

If jobs are within walking / easy cycling distance fine. But once people need to take road transport you have the problem of the last few miles taking most of the time.

Yes in theory you could invest in more rail but we've ripped up far more than we've replaced.

You just have to LOL at the LUAS going to the Point Depot - how long did it take and how much did it cost to bring a tram to a former rail station ??

It would cost billions to replace even part of the infrastructure we had in Dublin in 1922. And most of that was between the canals.

B.A._Baracus · 21-11-2012 01:24AM

This is bullshit!

Siptu owns that building right? So that means they can do what ever they want to it. Conservation laws are messed up. You can legally own something but the government can also legally stop you from doing what you will to your own property. Its madness.

Run_to_da_hills · 21-11-2012 01:36AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

This is bullshit!

Siptu owns that building right? So that means they can do what ever they want to it. Conservation laws are messed up. You can legally own something but the government can also legally stop you from doing what you will to your own property. Its madness.

No conservation laws are there for a reason, anything larger than the current Liberty Hall would stick out like a sore thumb.

There is enough monstrosities and hideous buildings about the capital without constructing another one,

randylonghorn · 21-11-2012 02:06AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

This is bullshit!

Siptu owns that building right? So that means they can do what ever they want to it. Conservation laws are messed up. You can legally own something but the government can also legally stop you from doing what you will to your own property. Its madness.

So if you own a farm in the middle of Meath, you can turn it into an open toxic dump, by that logic.

Madness is right ...

MrMischief · 21-11-2012 06:24AM

Pass by it on the commute to work and its one big eye-sore!! That whole part of the street is in need of a bit of regeneration and I for one would be glad to see it fall.

Always thought one or a small cluster of high rise buildings would be good for Dublin (in the IFSC for example) as a Tourist attraction if nothing else. That Spire thing was and still is the biggest waste of money since the Millenium clock!

mikemac1 · 21-11-2012 08:49AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

This is bullshit!

You can legally own something but the government can also legally stop you from doing what you will to your own property. Its madness.

Any objections if I buy the land upwind of your house and open a waste meat rendering factory?

toexpress · 21-11-2012 08:53AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Is that with Siptu inside or outside?

It is focking horrendous like.

It could have a 9/11 type accident with one of those glider things .... With SIPTU inside

cournioni · 21-11-2012 09:30AM

Rigol wrote: »

"national historic and social significance"

kick these cnts out.

Probably because it's in the intro to fair city or something like that... :rolleyes:

ted1 · 21-11-2012 09:34AM

How does a union have the money for the development, could they not buy a near finished building from the NAMA books which would be a lot cheaper. Look what google got for 99m.

Is it not an insult to the members that the unions ego is so big they have to build this and squander members money.

gobnaitolunacy · 21-11-2012 10:35AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Most of our public transport system was destroyed during the War of Independence and subsequent lack of investment.

Civil War you mean, we did a great job of wrecking it.

WoollyRedHat · 21-11-2012 11:15AM

I've been up a skyscraper before. I've seen things.

Bord Pleanala blocks demolition of Ireland’s first skyscraper Liberty Hall

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