Bord Pleanala blocks demolition of Ireland’s first skyscraper Liberty Hall

davet82

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bord-pleanala-blocks-demolition-of-irelands-first-skyscraper-liberty-hall-3295772.html

THE country’s first skyscraper, Liberty Hall, will remain a feature on the Dublin skyline after An Bord Pleanala refused permission to demolish the building.

Trade union SIPTU had been granted planning permission by Dublin City Council last year to demolish the 17-storey, 60 metre building and replace it with a 22-storey building of more than 93 metres.

please please reconsider knocking down this monstosity, i'm not saying replace it with a new one just knock down that horrible looking thing!

pabloh999

They refused us a shiny new large building, which would have created plenty of work for a few years?

Absolute gob****es

Celly Smunt

"skyscraper" :pac:

Rigol

Oh ffs ...whats their excuse this time.

dr.bollocko

Irish architects of the last 50 years have a hell of a lot to answer for.

Shenshen

Skyscraper?!

Ok, you do get some very low-hanging clouds sometimes, but seriously?
And that thing is hideous.

squod

Burn it out first.

Rigol

"national historic and social significance"

kick these cnts out.

jimmycrackcorm

Can't do abortion and can't build tall buildings. The country needs a bit of moving forward in lots of ways.

jimmycrackcorm

squod wrote: »

Burn it out first.

Is that with Siptu inside or outside?

FatherLen

i like it.








ah just kidding, it's shit.

Leftist

these clowns are having a steffi graff. Always blocking things, probably means they don't have to do any work.

super_furry

It's an awful grey concrete block with an air of 70s depression.

pabloh999

Rigol wrote: »

Oh ffs ...whats their excuse this time.

Detract from Custom House or some such ****e
DCC had already approved this, then an bord pleanala came in and stopped it.
Why are DCC even involved in the process when they have no power at all?
So it goes through normal planning process with DCC, gets approved.
Grand.
But then it goes through another process with an bord pleanala, what a total waste of time/money.

super_furry

Huh? Only argument is that it makes the Custom House look better in the same way that standing an average girl next to an ugly mess makes her look better.

westendgirlie

I have mates in London who live in council flats higher up than that building!

The term is Hi-Rise not skyscraper.

davet82

westendgirlie wrote: »

I have mates in London who live in council flats higher up than that building!

The term is Hi-Rise not skyscraper.

shíte pile is a better term

SEPT 23 1989

The beards wont be happy

which is good

jasonmcco

the madness is bord planaaalllla. Who are they? They performed great during the tiger didnt they?

gobnaitolunacy

I really can't imagine anything uglier than that sh*theap of a building that looks like a council flat.

Why can't we design nice things?

dr.bollocko

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Irish architects of the last 50 years have a hell of a lot to answer for.

It seems that it is An Bord Pleanala and the councils that make the end decisions on most of this thing as opposed to architects that are putting forward proposals

davet82

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Why can't we design nice things?

idk, maybe our architects drink at work?

later12

Liberty Hall was slightly more beautiful when it was first built; it had Mosaic cladding and clear glass so it looked far more transparent.

Having said that, it was built by an engineer and not an architect, and some people are of the opinion that it shows, too. The building has no artistic merit to speak of; it is exceptionally dull.

ChippingSodbury

How were SIPTU going to pay for this? From increased subscriptions collected from their members who, in their own words, are living on the breadline? Or do they have a war-chest full of money collected from their members (living on the breadline) already?
Sure, it would create some jobs for a while but isn't that the mentality that got us into the mess we're in at the moment: you can't export buildings (at least not this kind...)
Why can't they move into one of the numerous empty office spaces around the city? Or did they just want to keep up with Anglo and have a nice new shiny office by the river?:pac:

gobnaitolunacy

davet82 wrote: »

idk, maybe our architects drink at work?

The designer of Liberty Hall was clearly inspired by a milk carton.

pabloh999

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/240350/240350.htm

It is considered that the site of Liberty Hall is of national
historic and social significance....

These are the same shower who would have point blank refused Liberty Hall in the first place, now its a national treasure.
Who are they?
They need to be held accountable for their massive decisions which affect everyone of us indirectly

Leaving the aesthetics aside, the country is on its knees, constuction industry is in freefall and is crying out for construction projects like this:(

Freddy Smelly

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

The designer of Liberty Hall was clearly inspired by a milk carton.

i dunno it looks more like an aluminium climbing frame... maybe the architect was a four year old

gobnaitolunacy

later12 wrote: »

Having said that, it was built by an engineer and not an architect, and some people are of the opinion that it shows, too. The building has no artistic merit to speak of; it is exceptionally dull.

And this 'thing' is better, by being designed by an architect?


http://www.constructireland.ie/articles/0216highrenaissance.php

ChippingSodbury

And another thing while I'm at it.

It was refused on the basis that it would be visually intrusive i.e. because it would be the tallest building around. How many more buildings have already been refused for being too tall? Maybe they don't get the concept of having one tall building and then another, and then a few more and then they wouldn't be intrusive. One building has to be first...

if there was more high-rise development in the city centre, there wouldn't be such an urban sprawl all around. A more compact city means less issues with providing public transport, utilities etc. etc.

davet82

is there links to the plans for the proposed building that was refused anybody?

henryporter

Clueless Philistines:

http://docomomo.ie/2010/03/liberty-hall-docomomo-observation-irish-times/

It's probably the best building in Dublin after Busarus.

1ZRed

super_furry wrote: »

Huh? Only argument is that it makes the Custom House look better in the same way that standing an average girl next to an ugly mess makes her look better.

I like the Custom House. Then again, I like many of the neoclassical architecture in Dublin. The detail and style is unlike so much of the unimaginative, ugly, fad "modern" buildings built in Dublin. So many architects need to be shot for lack of talent.

davet82

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

And another thing while I'm at it.

It was refused on the basis that it would be visually intrusive i.e. because it would be the tallest building around. How many more buildings have already been refused for being too tall? Maybe they don't get the concept of having one tall building and then another, and then a few more and then they wouldn't be intrusive. One building has to be first...

if there was more high-rise development in the city centre, there wouldn't be such an urban sprawl all around. A more compact city means less issues with providing public transport, utilities etc. etc.

i like Dublins skyline, i think high rise buildings would take something away from the city rather than add to it

later12

henryporter wrote: »

Clueless Philistines:

http://docomomo.ie/2010/03/liberty-hall-docomomo-observation-irish-times/

It's probably the best building in Dublin after Busarus.

What's that? An association whose raison d'etre is conservation, endorses conservation of famous building? So what.

As was mentioned earlier, Liberty Hall may have been more beautiful when first erected. But just as a building can gain cultural significance over time, as your link rightly asserts, so too can it diminish in significance and architectural merit over time.

You can't just call someone a Philistine because you don't share the same taste as them. Personally I think the building is hideous and boring.

kupus

As quoted by a commenter from the indo

"Champagne socialism at its best".....

Maybe now some of you will understand why I detest unions.

Yamanoto

davet82 wrote: »

is there links to the plans for the proposed building that was refused anybody?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/images/2012/1116/301253_1.jpg?ts=1353070893

I'd like to see a cluster of high-rise development from the IFSC down towards the O2. But Liberty hall has always been an incongruous folly and its successor would have mirrored that imo.

davet82

Yamanoto wrote: »

I'd like to see a cluster of high-rise development from the IFSC down towards the O2. But Liberty hall has always been an incongruous folly and its successor would have mirrored that imo.

bit big for my liking too, it sticks out like a sore thumb and looks out of place probably even more so than the current shambles thats standing there but i agree keep it down near the O2 if needs be for high rise and thanks for the link

Irish and Proud

What the hell is wrong with having a few high rise buildings??? :mad:

Seriously, ABP is starting to turn into the broken record that An Taisce is - oppose anything that's modern. Now, I'm not for making Dublin like New York or Hong Kong etc, but there's IMO nothing wrong with a cityscape that is punctuated with the occasional high rise structure. Anyway, a moderate degree of high rise construction has got to be better than all this low rise urban sprawl eating up our countryside (and turning our motorways (the only good thing that came from the Celtic Tiger) into carparks). High rise phobia is just like this tired old anti-car thinking - what we need is balanced rational thinking for our towns and cities - a balanced mix of architectural styles amid integrated transport systems.

Workmen should stop blaming their tools and learn to use the right tools for the right jobs - high rise has its place, architectural conservation has its place, cars have their place, public transport has its place, walking/cycling has its place etc. etc. etc. Time to wise up!

BizzyC

FFS, what a bunch of jokers.

"Skyscraper"????
It's about 50 stories short of a skyscraper.

Ugliest building in Dublin, the fact that it has such a promement place should be embarrising to these people.

davet82

Irish and Proud wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with having a few high rise buildings??? :mad:

imo, its more about there placement, group them together just not beside some georgian houses ect

jasonmcco

pabloh999 wrote: »

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/240350/240350.htm





These are the same shower who would have point blank refused Liberty Hall in the first place, now its a national treasure.
Who are they?
They need to be held accountable for their massive decisions which affect everyone of us indirectly

Leaving the aesthetics aside, the country is on its knees, constuction industry is in freefall and is crying out for construction projects like this:(

These gob****es tell people in rural Ireland what kind of houses they can and cant build on their own private property and we allow it.
People have a right to be creative when building houses for themselves to live in.
They want cottages so the tourists can marvel at our backwardness.

touts

I say leave the old building up where it is until it rots into the ground as a warning to future generations of the danger of giving trade unions too much power in the public service.

Gummy Panda

Distract from Custom House?

that place is covered in junkies

later12

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

And this 'thing' is better, by being designed by an architect?


http://www.constructireland.ie/articles/0216highrenaissance.php

Actually, I think Cork County Hall is not quite as bad as Liberty Hall; however I am not saying that architects are incapable of designing dull or boring buildings with no real vision or meaning attached.

Nevertheless, I think engineers (such as the engineer who designed liberty hall) not being schooled in aesthetic relevance, are generally more likely to commit mortal sins against the urban landscape than an architect might be.

Yamanoto

jasonmcco wrote: »

These gob****es tell people in rural Ireland what kind of houses they can and cant build on their own private property and we allow it.
People have a right to be creative when building houses for themselves to live in.
They want cottages so the tourists can marvel at our backwardness.

Sweet Jaysus - how does copying what your neighbours have built for the preceding 35 years constitute being creative? Plastering the countryside with vomit coloured pebble-dash bungalows has left us with possibly the ugliest rural housing stock anywhere in Europe.

It shouldn`t all be about skylines and preserving an almost medieval look. Skyscrapers are built in cities around the world because of their economic benefit. Higher buildings offer efficiency of rent and higher density for business.

Even with the recession people don`t think to make improvements. Too many people are still against progress.

Dirty old town indeed.

Bullseye1

As well as refusing the application it takes them almost a year to make the decision. Something has to be done about how ABP does its business.

jasonmcco

Yamanoto wrote: »

Sweet Jaysus - how does copying what your neighbours have built for the preceding 35 years constitute being creative? Plastering the countryside with vomit coloured pebble-dash bungalows has left us with possibly the ugliest rural housing stock anywhere in Europe.

It doesn't and that was my point.

Mate try read and understand the comments you are replying to coz it's embarrassing having to tell you.

I guess English isn't your first language so hey no worries.

Red Hand

jasonmcco wrote: »

It doesn't and that was my point.

Mate try read and understand the comments you are replying to coz it's embarrassing having to tell you.

I guess English isn't your first language so hey no worries.

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kodoherty93

I love how they feel that this city needs to be "low rise" and therefore stops a lot of redevelopment of the inner city eg the mater redevelopment would damage the image of the area.

Dublin 1 is a disgrace and im from Glasnevin and its 15 mins of looking a horrible buildings every morning to college. In Manhattan they are building sky scrapers that 600 feet tall but have a floor area of only 3,500 square feet..

I would take a 800 feet well designed sky scraper over a ****ty low rise building which doesnt take the city skyline which doesnt exist in the first place