Bord Pleanala blocks demolition of Ireland’s first skyscraper Liberty Hall

1ZRed · 16-11-2012 02:02PM

super_furry wrote: »

Huh? Only argument is that it makes the Custom House look better in the same way that standing an average girl next to an ugly mess makes her look better.

I like the Custom House. Then again, I like many of the neoclassical architecture in Dublin. The detail and style is unlike so much of the unimaginative, ugly, fad "modern" buildings built in Dublin. So many architects need to be shot for lack of talent.

davet82 · 16-11-2012 02:03PM

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

And another thing while I'm at it.

It was refused on the basis that it would be visually intrusive i.e. because it would be the tallest building around. How many more buildings have already been refused for being too tall? Maybe they don't get the concept of having one tall building and then another, and then a few more and then they wouldn't be intrusive. One building has to be first...

if there was more high-rise development in the city centre, there wouldn't be such an urban sprawl all around. A more compact city means less issues with providing public transport, utilities etc. etc.

i like Dublins skyline, i think high rise buildings would take something away from the city rather than add to it

later12 · 16-11-2012 02:06PM

henryporter wrote: »

Clueless Philistines:

http://docomomo.ie/2010/03/liberty-hall-docomomo-observation-irish-times/

It's probably the best building in Dublin after Busarus.

What's that? An association whose raison d'etre is conservation, endorses conservation of famous building? So what.

As was mentioned earlier, Liberty Hall may have been more beautiful when first erected. But just as a building can gain cultural significance over time, as your link rightly asserts, so too can it diminish in significance and architectural merit over time.

You can't just call someone a Philistine because you don't share the same taste as them. Personally I think the building is hideous and boring.

kupus · 16-11-2012 02:10PM

As quoted by a commenter from the indo

"Champagne socialism at its best".....

Maybe now some of you will understand why I detest unions.

Yamanoto · 16-11-2012 02:10PM

davet82 wrote: »

is there links to the plans for the proposed building that was refused anybody?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/images/2012/1116/301253_1.jpg?ts=1353070893

I'd like to see a cluster of high-rise development from the IFSC down towards the O2. But Liberty hall has always been an incongruous folly and its successor would have mirrored that imo.

davet82 · 16-11-2012 02:15PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

I'd like to see a cluster of high-rise development from the IFSC down towards the O2. But Liberty hall has always been an incongruous folly and its successor would have mirrored that imo.

bit big for my liking too, it sticks out like a sore thumb and looks out of place probably even more so than the current shambles thats standing there but i agree keep it down near the O2 if needs be for high rise and thanks for the link

Irish and Proud · 16-11-2012 02:15PM

What the hell is wrong with having a few high rise buildings??? :mad:

Seriously, ABP is starting to turn into the broken record that An Taisce is - oppose anything that's modern. Now, I'm not for making Dublin like New York or Hong Kong etc, but there's IMO nothing wrong with a cityscape that is punctuated with the occasional high rise structure. Anyway, a moderate degree of high rise construction has got to be better than all this low rise urban sprawl eating up our countryside (and turning our motorways (the only good thing that came from the Celtic Tiger) into carparks). High rise phobia is just like this tired old anti-car thinking - what we need is balanced rational thinking for our towns and cities - a balanced mix of architectural styles amid integrated transport systems.

Workmen should stop blaming their tools and learn to use the right tools for the right jobs - high rise has its place, architectural conservation has its place, cars have their place, public transport has its place, walking/cycling has its place etc. etc. etc. Time to wise up!

BizzyC · 16-11-2012 02:15PM

FFS, what a bunch of jokers.

"Skyscraper"????
It's about 50 stories short of a skyscraper.

Ugliest building in Dublin, the fact that it has such a promement place should be embarrising to these people.

davet82 · 16-11-2012 02:17PM

Irish and Proud wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with having a few high rise buildings??? :mad:

imo, its more about there placement, group them together just not beside some georgian houses ect

jasonmcco · 16-11-2012 02:19PM

pabloh999 wrote: »

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/240350/240350.htm

These are the same shower who would have point blank refused Liberty Hall in the first place, now its a national treasure.
Who are they?
They need to be held accountable for their massive decisions which affect everyone of us indirectly

Leaving the aesthetics aside, the country is on its knees, constuction industry is in freefall and is crying out for construction projects like this:(

These gob****es tell people in rural Ireland what kind of houses they can and cant build on their own private property and we allow it.
People have a right to be creative when building houses for themselves to live in.
They want cottages so the tourists can marvel at our backwardness.

touts · 16-11-2012 02:23PM

I say leave the old building up where it is until it rots into the ground as a warning to future generations of the danger of giving trade unions too much power in the public service.

Gummy Panda · 16-11-2012 02:25PM

Distract from Custom House?

that place is covered in junkies

later12 · 16-11-2012 02:27PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

And this 'thing' is better, by being designed by an architect?

http://www.constructireland.ie/articles/0216highrenaissance.php

Actually, I think Cork County Hall is not quite as bad as Liberty Hall; however I am not saying that architects are incapable of designing dull or boring buildings with no real vision or meaning attached.

Nevertheless, I think engineers (such as the engineer who designed liberty hall) not being schooled in aesthetic relevance, are generally more likely to commit mortal sins against the urban landscape than an architect might be.

Yamanoto · 16-11-2012 02:37PM

jasonmcco wrote: »

These gob****es tell people in rural Ireland what kind of houses they can and cant build on their own private property and we allow it.
People have a right to be creative when building houses for themselves to live in.
They want cottages so the tourists can marvel at our backwardness.

Sweet Jaysus - how does copying what your neighbours have built for the preceding 35 years constitute being creative? Plastering the countryside with vomit coloured pebble-dash bungalows has left us with possibly the ugliest rural housing stock anywhere in Europe.

16-11-2012 02:38PM

It shouldn`t all be about skylines and preserving an almost medieval look. Skyscrapers are built in cities around the world because of their economic benefit. Higher buildings offer efficiency of rent and higher density for business.

Even with the recession people don`t think to make improvements. Too many people are still against progress.

Dirty old town indeed.

Bullseye1 · 16-11-2012 03:11PM

As well as refusing the application it takes them almost a year to make the decision. Something has to be done about how ABP does its business.

jasonmcco · 16-11-2012 03:21PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

Sweet Jaysus - how does copying what your neighbours have built for the preceding 35 years constitute being creative? Plastering the countryside with vomit coloured pebble-dash bungalows has left us with possibly the ugliest rural housing stock anywhere in Europe.

It doesn't and that was my point.

Mate try read and understand the comments you are replying to coz it's embarrassing having to tell you.

I guess English isn't your first language so hey no worries.

Red Hand · 16-11-2012 10:06PM

jasonmcco wrote: »

It doesn't and that was my point.

Mate try read and understand the comments you are replying to coz it's embarrassing having to tell you.

I guess English isn't your first language so hey no worries.

Here's a comma

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Use it wisely, my son.

The One Who Knocks · 16-11-2012 10:09PM

big Boom! big Boom!

*CLAPS RET*RDEDLY*

kodoherty93 · 16-11-2012 10:13PM

I love how they feel that this city needs to be "low rise" and therefore stops a lot of redevelopment of the inner city eg the mater redevelopment would damage the image of the area.

Dublin 1 is a disgrace and im from Glasnevin and its 15 mins of looking a horrible buildings every morning to college. In Manhattan they are building sky scrapers that 600 feet tall but have a floor area of only 3,500 square feet..

I would take a 800 feet well designed sky scraper over a ****ty low rise building which doesnt take the city skyline which doesnt exist in the first place

kowloon · 16-11-2012 10:24PM

Knock it down, build another giant spike.

Red Hand · 16-11-2012 10:26PM

kowloon wrote: »

Knock it down, build another giant spike.

Have a giant Rugby ball on the southside.:P

randylonghorn · 16-11-2012 11:54PM

henryporter wrote: »

It's probably the best building in Dublin after Busarus.

That kinda says it all tbh.

bb1234567 · 17-11-2012 01:10AM

I die a little inside every time I look up at that building..please demolish it...PLEASE

Run_to_da_hills · 17-11-2012 01:25AM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

I really can't imagine anything uglier than that sh*theap of a building that looks like a council flat.

Why can't we design nice things?

Great to see this iconic Dublin skyscraper preserved.

Hopefully it will be restored to its mid 1960's glory with recessed windows..

Next

..........a campaign to preserve Hawkins House. :pac:

keith16 · 17-11-2012 01:29AM

An Bord Pleanálas modus operandi would appear to be: "leave everything, it's grand".

WhatNowForUs? · 17-11-2012 01:36AM

pabloh999 wrote: »

Detract from Custom House or some such ****e
DCC had already approved this, then an bord pleanala came in and stopped it.
Why are DCC even involved in the process when they have no power at all?
So it goes through normal planning process with DCC, gets approved.
Grand.
But then it goes through another process with an bord pleanala, what a total waste of time/money.

checks and balances

TheUsual · 17-11-2012 01:44AM

That 'skyscraper' is in such bad condition, a good auld winter storm would probably knock it down.

flutterflye · 17-11-2012 01:44AM

Red Hand wrote: »

Have a giant Rugby ball on the southside.:P

Is Lansdowne supposed to look like a rugby ball?! :eek:

johnr1 · 17-11-2012 02:00AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Is that with Siptu inside or outside?

Hopefully inside, - their brylcreemed beards would aid the conflagration.

Bord Pleanala blocks demolition of Ireland’s first skyscraper Liberty Hall

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