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weisses · 15-11-2012 11:03AM

MDPolak wrote: »

Following your way of thinking to understand what exactly happened on 9/11 I would have to go to New York and speak to eye witnesses, firefighters, policemen etc. Of course they wouldn't tell me the truth as they don't have proper evidence about anything, only their own opinions which is different than yours.
Spraying the atmosphere does not need involvement of thousands of people. Planes might take off even from the airports located outside of Ireland. All what they need is permission to enter Irish air space.

Okay ... What is being sprayed according to you ?

--Kaiser-- · 15-11-2012 11:05AM

MDPolak wrote: »

If I see the sky which looks like a chase board I don't rather think that planes were flying from West to East and from North to South in the same time above the same place cos it doesn't make any sense for me.

The airspace around Ireland is amongst busiest in the world. I don't see what's difficult to understand

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 11:08AM

MDPolak wrote: »

Thanks for the link. Are cargo and military planes included on this radar?

No problem. I think that cargo planes would be covered usually, but probably not military planes (subject to correction). More info here: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 11:10AM

weisses wrote: »

Okay ... What is being sprayed according to you ?

http://youtu.be/jf0khstYDLA

And I give up. Please no more question.

--Kaiser-- · 15-11-2012 11:23AM

MDPolak wrote: »

http://youtu.be/jf0khstYDLA

And I give up. Please no more question.

A Youtube video! The ace up the sleeve of any die-hard conspiracy theorist!
Don't bother explaining or arguing your beliefs, simply bore your opponent into submission!

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 11:35AM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

A Youtube video! The ace up the sleeve of any die-hard conspiracy theorist!
Don't bother explaining or arguing your beliefs, simply bore your opponent into submission!

Thanks for ridiculing the vid without even watching. As I said I give up. Bye.

thecommander · 15-11-2012 11:39AM

MDPolak wrote: »

http://youtu.be/jf0khstYDLA

And I give up. Please no more question.

I don't have over an hour and half to watch a video. What are they spraying?

weisses · 15-11-2012 11:42AM

MDPolak wrote: »

http://youtu.be/jf0khstYDLA

And I give up. Please no more question.

So you want me to dedicate 90 minutes of my time watching this without discussing it afterwards? ...

seannash · 15-11-2012 11:44AM

MDPolak wrote: »

Thanks for ridiculing the vid without even watching. As I said I give up. Bye.

You have no evidence to back up your claim and that's why your backing out.
At least have the balls to admit it.

francois · 15-11-2012 01:03PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

No problem. I think that cargo planes would be covered usually, but probably not military planes (subject to correction). More info here: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

UPS and DHL planes are on it

2ndcoming · 15-11-2012 01:09PM

Just had MTV on there and I had a Eureka moment. It's clear to me that the "powers that be" have hoodwinked the aviation industry through their fellow masonic colleagues in the oil industry into spraying over their own countries! This has been going on for several years now and I can even identify the areas affected: Newcastle and Essex in the United Kingdom and the New Jersey coast line in the United States.

What are they spraying you ask? Just take a look at these pictures>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Zj8VTvJOQ

That's right people.... fake tan.

Even the Hollywood Glitterati are affected >>>

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images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfe3R63439HbYPGcPY0aPDrLf6Braq06eVdSCDfxmbgY0nel-MJQ

Something has to be done before the whole world is condemned to a life of slavery as Oompa Loompas at the hands of Willy Wonka-esque Masonic Masterminds! :eek:

Please note: until someone points out the motivation or necessity for anyone, anywhere to "spray" unidentified poisons out of the back of planes I'm standing over this argument. We have already developed a million and one more dangerous, terrifying and effective ways of killing people than making it rain on them, regardless of what the rain is.

"Sir! The <aliens/Russians/insert imaginary threat here> are about to breach our airspace, what will we do?? Nukes are ready to launch sir?" "Nah, no need for nukes, let's send a right Irish day at them, that'll do the trick. No one keeps their hunger for war in a nasty drizzle!"

stuar · 15-11-2012 04:37PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Please note: until someone points out the motivation or necessity for anyone, anywhere to "spray" unidentified poisons out of the back of planes I'm standing over this argument. We have already developed a million and one more dangerous, terrifying and effective ways of killing people than making it rain on them, regardless of what the rain is.

You might like to look at these, and it wasn't Willy Wonka in his Wonkavator doing the spraying.

U.S. military's secret experiment sprayed radiation on low-income housing.
In 1994, the Army confirmed to Congress that St. Louis was chosen because it resembled Russian cities that the U.S. might have to attack with biological weapons.

“The study was secretive for reason,” Martino-Taylor explained to KDSK last month. “They didn’t have volunteers stepping up and saying yeah, I’ll breathe zinc cadmium sulfide with radioactive particles.”

Documents showed that the Army used airplanes to drop the chemicals in Corpus Christi, but sprayers were mounted on station wagons and buildings in St. Louis.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=41600

Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html

Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials.

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

The UK Ministry of Defence admits experimenting on public - 1940-1979 ..who knows about since then? Now?
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/UK.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQguup75CfA

I hope that enlightens you a little, and that's only the tip of the iceberg really.

In the 50's and 60's they sprayed their own populations to mimic what the "Commie's" might be thinking of doing so they did it first, maybe now they are thinking the "Muslim's" might be thinking of doing it, so of course best thing to do is, do it first!

Maybe it's part of a population control thing, a dumbing down experiment, or just simple "research", who know's?, these crazy bastards don't really give a sh!t about their own populations never mind the "natives" of other lands.

2ndcoming · 15-11-2012 05:09PM

Okay, a load of Cold War residual claptrap. So last century.

That's simply because the Masonic leaders of the time were raised in times of war and were obsessed with the stuff. They couldn't get enough of paranoia, germ warfare and biohazards.

You know what times the current Masonic leaders were raised in? That's right. Wham! Club Tropicana! Cocktails and White Suits! (and I don't mean the Hazmat variety.) Sun-kissed bodies, mullets, and parties on the beach til dawn, oh the beauty of it all! :cool:

They want to bring a little bit of those good times back! Hence...

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDjgY2TCPlR66hXjJYvxOW8E1tc7z-vBITDwAra0KKkkoZEAyg

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDjgY2TCPlR66hXjJYvxOW8E1tc7z-vBITDwAra0KKkkoZEAyg

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDv1Xkc0gMIH5ORHi66DAdWl5Yy8J3mPEG8RbbjWchfSrMKGSg

Plus

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqvRWjSFxtNKVvgV07jP2ixsOo7Uk0pgqnqKhHd3GzqUPzZ0Ym

Equals

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8q6mcM-xnHZvSKDGjv18rSL9wdNWRrb2h3nZDE67wI7im0or6

That's what I Want To Believe and I'm sticking to it!

stuar · 15-11-2012 07:09PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Okay, a load of Cold War residual claptrap. So last century.

That's simply because the Masonic leaders of the time were raised in times of war and were obsessed with the stuff. They couldn't get enough of paranoia, germ warfare and biohazards.

You know what times the current Masonic leaders were raised in? That's right. Wham! Club Tropicana! Cocktails and White Suits! (and I don't mean the Hazmat variety.) Sun-kissed bodies, mullets, and parties on the beach til dawn, oh the beauty of it all! :cool:

They want to bring a little bit of those good times back! Hence...

Plus

Equals

That's what I Want To Believe and I'm sticking to it!

I'm beginning to think you may be a victim of the masonic overlords yourself, not sure which century of overlord, maybe the kind that span centuries such as kissinger and co, but your entitled to believe what you want, and if it's just fake tan then thats great, save myself a fortune, that insta-bronze isn't getting any cheaper.

Jonny7 · 15-11-2012 07:46PM

stuar wrote: »

In the 50's and 60's they sprayed their own populations to mimic what the "Commie's" might be thinking of doing so they did it first, maybe now they are thinking the "Muslim's" might be thinking of doing it, so of course best thing to do is, do it first!

It was the Cold War, they were testing dispersal of chemical agents, we're talking 50 or 60 years ago. Plenty of crazy **** went down in that era.

Maybe it's part of a population control thing, a dumbing down experiment, or just simple "research", who know's?, these crazy bastards don't really give a sh!t about their own populations never mind the "natives" of other lands.

Maybe what they are spraying us with is affecting the conspiracy theorists - who see the real truth.

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 08:00PM

Chemtrails don't exists. Just heavy traffic above Wexford. Happy days!

http://youtu.be/AXzdqxaEwbY

stuar · 15-11-2012 08:04PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

It was the Cold War, they were testing dispersal of chemical agents, we're talking 50 or 60 years ago. Plenty of crazy **** went down in that era.

OHH Yea sorry, no crazy sh!t goes down now, that almost slipped my mind, all that crazy sh!t was years ago and they wouldn't do anything like that now.

Jonny7 wrote: »

Maybe what they are spraying us with is affecting the conspiracy theorists - who see the real truth.

Maybe it's affecting us all, I have noticed a lot of people lately looking like this:

My Ex, she's and outdoor type of girl.
images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXgnLbz-qKqlQYkrDjlyY9Ujcn-BPq8sHspysZYc9wOFlSr084Uw

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXgnLbz-qKqlQYkrDjlyY9Ujcn-BPq8sHspysZYc9wOFlSr084Uw

Myself and the other half, she doesn't go out much.

The MilkMan, hail rain or snow he's out on his float, the jingle of bottles.

Maybe 2ndcoming is onto something here?

Daithi 1 · 15-11-2012 08:09PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

It was the Cold War, they were testing dispersal of chemical agents, we're talking 50 or 60 years ago. Plenty of crazy **** went down in that era.

Yeah, it couldn't happen these days coz, well, coz ummm...

Oh yeah, to save the world coz the ozone layer is fncked and were over heating.

Given the predicament we find ourselves in, I'd be surprised if they hadn't got a global operation underway to block the suns energy/heat. At this stage it would be pretty dumb not to.

Some muppets wont believe it and will try to ridicule others for thinking it possible. But in reality, it's probably true.

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 08:12PM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Yeah, it couldn't happen these days coz, well, coz ummm...

To be fair, I think there is a much greater emphasis and preoccupation with human rights and health and safety today than there was in the 50s.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Oh yeah, to save the world coz the ozone layer is fncked and were over heating.

Given the predicament we find ourselves in, I'd be surprised if they hadn't got a global operation underway to block the suns energy/heat. At this stage it would be pretty dumb not to.

The odd thing about this argument is that it is big business (particularly the motor and energy industries) who have been funding much of the climate change 'scepticism' that means that most people in the US don't seem to believe in global warming. Well, them and the broader right wing in the USA. So this idea sets one conspiracy theory directly against another one - namely that everything is controlled by big business/the Illuminati etc. - and of course it also flies in the face of the obvious CT that climate change is just a scam.

15-11-2012 08:16PM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Yeah, it couldn't happen these days coz, well, coz ummm...

And just because similar things at vastly smaller scales, which were not kept secret happened, it doesn't mean that it is happening (never mind at ridiculous scales).

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Some muppets wont believe it and will try to ridicule others for thinking it possible. But in reality, it's probably true.

Some muppets won't believe it as there is no evidence to support it.
Any claims about them crumble apart under the barest level of scrutiny, as demonstrated with MDPolack's case.

Daithi 1 · 15-11-2012 08:24PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

To be fair, I think there is a much greater emphasis and preoccupation with human rights and health and safety today than there was in the 50s.

Yeah but saving the world man !! Collateral damage mate.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The odd thing about this argument is that it is big business (particularly the motor and energy industries) who have been funding much of the climate change 'scepticism' that means that most people in the US don't seem to believe in global warming. Well, them and the broader right wing in the USA. So this idea sets one conspiracy theory directly against another one - namely that everything is controlled by big business/the Illuminati etc. - and of course it also flies in the face of the obvious CT that climate change is just a scam.

Well, the world can be heating up, yet, have nothing to do with humans. But industry can blame it on humans.

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 08:25PM

King Mob wrote: »

And just because similar things at vastly smaller scales, which were not kept secret happened, it doesn't mean that it is happening (never mind at ridiculous scales).

Some muppets won't believe it as there is no evidence to support it.
Any claims about them crumble apart under the barest level of scrutiny, as demonstrated with MDPolack's case.

King Mob, have you watched the video I posted? What more do you need to admit that something wrong is going on all around the world or simply take it into consideration? Sure, evifeckingdence!

stuar · 15-11-2012 08:43PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

To be fair, I think there is a much greater emphasis and preoccupation with human rights and health and safety today than there was in the 50s.

Monty your joking right?, human rights are the current fad?

Where would this be?

At this very moment Israel is building up on the Gaza border for another round of cast lead, how many already suffering people need more hell over the next few weeks, where's the greater emphasis on human rights today?
I'm anti-war, but I won't shed a tear if Egypt send their troops into Gaza from the other end, I know it will lead to more bloodshed, but Israel cannot continue to be allowed commit phased genocide undeterred.

The experiments were kept secret for years, then declassified and you 100% believe there are no experiments/human rights violations at this moment in time compared to the 50's/60's?.

15-11-2012 08:49PM

MDPolak wrote: »

King Mob, have you watched the video I posted? What more do you need to admit that something wrong is going on all around the world or simply take it into consideration? Sure, evifeckingdence!

The "What in the world are they spraying" one?
Yes, I've seen parts of it before and like your initial claims all of the evidence they use in that film are based on really bad logic and ignorance.

Do you accept the possibility that you are actually wrong or are you closed minded?

stuar · 15-11-2012 08:55PM

King Mob wrote: »

The "What in the world are they spraying" one?
Yes, I've seen parts of it before and like your initial claims all of the evidence they use in that film are based on really bad logic and ignorance.

Do you accept the possibility that you are actually wrong or are you closed minded?

Why not watch it ALL next time, "part's of it" don't convey the whole story.

15-11-2012 09:01PM

stuar wrote: »

Why not watch it ALL next time, "part's of it" don't convey the whole story.

But the parts I did watch fell apart completely. I doubt that I was just lucky and found the only bad parts of the film. And I doubt that if the film was good there would be any misinformation or bad logic in it at all.

Further the arguments from the film have been repeated and used here extensively, and unless people are deliberately using the weakest arguments the film makes, I don't think it makes any convincing arguments at any point.

But you are welcome to present the argument you think are convincing as simply telling people to watch an hour plus of nonsense, dishonesty and bad logic is not a convincing discussion.

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 09:09PM

King Mob wrote: »

The "What in the world are they spraying" one?
Yes, I've seen parts of it before and like your initial claims all of the evidence they use in that film are based on really bad logic and ignorance.

Do you accept the possibility that you are actually wrong or are you closed minded?

all right, so you have watched just part of the movie and you claim that evidence used in there is based on ignorance. Aren't you ignorant then? How much did you see from it, 10 minutes? I didn't say I know all answers. I just think that those things upon the sky are not the contrails left by the commercial planes, that's it. I got an impression that you know all answers and anyone who think opposite is wrong. I'm not going to argue with you. I leave you with your beliefs and opinions. Good night Sir.

15-11-2012 09:16PM

MDPolak wrote: »

all right, so you have watched just part of the movie and you claim that evidence used in there is based on ignorance. Aren't you ignorant then? How much did you see from it, 10 minutes?

I explain above.

MDPolak wrote: »

I didn't say I know all answers. I just think that those things upon the sky are not the contrails left by the commercial planes, that's it.

But the reasons you have for this conclusion are very very faulty.
You claimed that they couldn't be contrails as they lasted for over 30 minutes. I provided a source that stated that they could last for hours.
You claimed they couldn't be contrails as they were too low. However I showed that they can form lower than your thought and you couldn't explain how you knew how high they were.

MDPolak wrote: »

I got an impression that you know all answers and anyone who think opposite is wrong. I'm not going to argue with you. I leave you with your beliefs and opinions. Good night Sir.

So then, yes you are being closed minded.

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 09:37PM

MDPolak wrote: »

I just think that those things upon the sky are not the contrails left by the commercial planes, that's it.

I'm just wondering why you think that. Because you saw a lot of them at once, or for some other reason?

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 09:39PM

stuar wrote: »

Monty your joking right?, human rights are the current fad?

Where would this be?

I was referring to the evil West where this conspiracy seems to be based.

stuar wrote: »

The experiments were kept secret for years, then declassified and you 100% believe there are no experiments/human rights violations at this moment in time compared to the 50's/60's?.

Not 100% sure, no - you can't be 100% sure of much. But you realise that the people behind this alleged conspiracy are spraying themselves, their families and friends too. Does it make sense for them to spray themselves and their loved ones with nasty stuff?

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