CHEMTRAILS

Jonny7 · 07-11-2012 10:59AM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Call it what you will. Chemicals into the air, from planes, causes damage to forests, buildings and most likely people.

They seed clouds in certain specific circumstances, not every day all across the world.

So fari t is in isolated incidents, e.g. Chinese Olympics so that there would be less rain or no rain on the opening ceremony (and other events)

Can you please show what chemicals are used and how they are harmful?

Also this has nothing to do with any of the "chemtrail" theories I have read, I am not sure what the conspiracy is in this example (Chinese cloud seeding)

Daithi 1 · 07-11-2012 06:51PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

not every day all across the world.

Link ?

Jonny7 · 07-11-2012 09:09PM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Link ?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/donal-hickey/cloud-seeding-not-an-option-for-us-105609.html

MDPolak · 14-11-2012 10:06PM

I took that photo today in Marley Park. I regret I didn't have proper camera with me only my mobile.

Jonny7 · 14-11-2012 10:42PM

It's clouds, con-trails, trees and some good old Marley park.. what else am I supposed to be seeing here?

MDPolak · 14-11-2012 11:12PM

Nothing, you are supposed to see absolutely nothing on this picture. Just old good Marley Park

Monty Burnz · 14-11-2012 11:15PM

MDPolak wrote: »

I took that photo today in Marley Park. I regret I didn't have proper camera with me only my mobile.

You'd be forgiven for thinking there's an airport nearby.

MDPolak · 14-11-2012 11:51PM

OK You say these are contrails from commercial planes, jet fighters or whatever took off the airport nearby. I was in Marley for over half a hour and these thing didn't disperse. They headed towards North and only slightly expanded themselves. Is this how contrails act like? And weren't they too low from the ground? I'm not an expert, just read that contrails form at 33000+ feet.

14-11-2012 11:55PM

MDPolak wrote: »

OK You say these are contrails from commercial planes, jet fighters or whatever took off the airport nearby. I was in Marley for over half a hour and these thing didn't disperse. They headed towards North and only slightly expanded themselves. Is this how contrails act like? And weren't they too low from the ground? I'm not an expert, just read that contrails form at 33000+ feet.

And how do you know that contrails only form at 33000+ feet or can't last more than half an hour out expand outwards?
How do you know that chemtrails can do these things

Monty Burnz · 14-11-2012 11:57PM

MDPolak wrote: »

OK You say these are contrails from commercial planes, jet fighters or whatever took off the airport nearby. I was in Marley for over half a hour and these thing didn't disperse. They headed towards North and only slightly expanded themselves. Is this how contrails act like? And weren't they too low from the ground? I'm not an expert, just read that contrails form at 33000+ feet.

They can form at a huge range of altitudes, depending on temperature, humidity atmospheric pressure etc. - have a look at the flight tracker website I linked here before - it's amazing how much traffic there is over Ireland these days.

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 12:10AM

King Mob wrote: »

And how do you know that contrails only form at 33000+ feet or can't last more than half an hour out expand outwards?
How do you know that chemtrails can do these things

About altitude: http://rense.com/general4/fre.htm
According to Wiki it's Usually above 16,500 ft

Anyway, these things above Marley Park weren't even at half of this altitude were they?

And further via Wikipedia: they may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes

15-11-2012 12:18AM

MDPolak wrote: »

About altitude: http://rense.com/general4/fre.htm

Why would you trust a site like this? What are they basing their claims on?

MDPolak wrote: »

According to Wiki it's Usually above 16,500 ft

No wikipedia says:

(contrails usually form above 8,000 meters/26,000 feet, depending on the temperature and other factors)

And "usually" does not mean "exclusively".
Anyway, these things above Marley Park weren't even at half of this altitude were they? [/QUOTE]
How do you know how high up they were? How do you know you aren't simply misjudging the height?

MDPolak wrote: »

And further via Wikipedia: they may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes

And if you follow the citation for that part we find you've misread it.
Some may last only a few seconds or minutes.
Others however:

Condensation trails, or contrails, generated from
high-altitude aircraft exhaust may affect climate because
they can persist for many hours.

http://www.areco.org/minnis.pdf

So again, how do you know what the properties of a chemtrail actually are?

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 12:30AM

King Mob wrote: »

So again, how do you know what the properties of a chemtrail actually are?

Hang on, is this CHEMTRAILS topic or ANTI-CHEMTRAILS topic? Sorry, I didn't bother to read a whole thing. Listen, I went to Marley Park, I've seen these things and I took a few pics. For me personally they looked strange and my first thought was they look similar or almost identical to those things called Chemtrails, which I know from Internet, mainly from Youtube. If I was wrong I apologize. Next time I will ignore them.

15-11-2012 12:34AM

MDPolak wrote: »

Hang on, is this CHEMTRAILS topic or ANTI-CHEMTRAILS topic? Sorry, I didn't bother to read a whole thing. Listen, I went to Marley Park, I've seen these things and I took a few pics. For me personally they looked strange and my first thought was they look similar or almost identical to those things called Chemtrails, which I know from Internet, mainly from Youtube. If I was wrong I apologize. Next time I will ignore them.

Are only opinions that argee that chemtrails exist allowed or something?

I'm only asking you very simple questions about what you saw, and already you can see that you conclusion is not very sound.

Would you prefer people to just agree with you even though your conclusion and the claims about chemtrails are wrong?

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 12:35AM

do you think that Chemtrails do not exist and it's only conspiracy theory?

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 12:41AM

MDPolak wrote: »

do you think that Chemtrails do not exist and it's only conspiracy theory?

It IS only a theory - if it was an established fact, then it would be...well, an established fact.

15-11-2012 12:46AM

MDPolak wrote: »

do you think that Chemtrails do not exist and it's only conspiracy theory?

I have seen to more reason to believe chemtrails are a thing than fairies are.

There is no evidence to support a believe in their existence, none of the arguments put up for their existence withstand the barest amount of scrutiny and the theory does not make a lick of sense.

cml387 · 15-11-2012 08:09AM

If there was a huge conspiracy to seed the air with chemicals from on high,
surely it would make more sense to do it at night, rather than in broad daylight and with clear blue skies?

Just wonderin'

--Kaiser-- · 15-11-2012 08:10AM

MDPolak wrote: »

do you think that Chemtrails do not exist and it's only conspiracy theory?

Of course they don't exist. It's on the of the stupidest theories out there. You can't (theoretically) spray chemicals in the air and expect them to reach the intended targets that are thousands of feet below. If 'they' do want to drug you, why wouldn't they just drug the water supply?

Jonny7 · 15-11-2012 08:44AM

Not to mention it would have been happening for decades (happily coinciding with the birth of the jet engine), spanning across almost every nation on earth (in which jet aircraft operate), involving unknown chemicals with unknown effects, the complicity of every successive government, including the pilots, airline companies, engineers and scientists,... all without a single leak.

Yet, on the net, there seem to be a surprising amount of people who buy this.

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 09:39AM

I'll put it that way. You guys believe in what you see in the telly, don't do your own research and first of all trust your government. I will stick to what I can find on line, to all those articles, reports and videos about something what doesn't even exist. Mad mad Internet.

One more picture of old good Dublin, its lovely clouds and contrails after an Air Show

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4w1LU9CUAIOcTw.jpg:large

Jonny7 · 15-11-2012 09:45AM

MDPolak wrote: »

I'll put it that way. You guys believe in what you see in the telly, don't do your own research and first of all trust your government.

Well the last bit of research I did was on photos of storage tanks in the back of an aircraft - which was presented as evidence

These photos had the watermarks removed and were taken from a Wired.com article about the testing of the new super jumbo, which used ballast tanks to simulate and test different weights within the plane.

If you have any actual evidence, feel free to share.

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 10:12AM

Jonny7 wrote: »

If you have any actual evidence, feel free to share.

Look, I'm only mere folk. I can't point my finger at anyone or handle physical evidence. If you put key words into google, for example chemtrails ireland, you'll find some related stories happening here and worldwide. Of course everyone can say it's all bull**** and demand proof. But what the proof is? If I see the sky which looks like a chase board I don't rather think that planes were flying from West to East and from North to South in the same time above the same place cos it doesn't make any sense for me.

Jonny7 · 15-11-2012 10:28AM

MDPolak wrote: »

Look, I'm only mere folk. I can't point my finger at anyone or handle physical evidence. If you put key words into google, for example chemtrails ireland, you'll find some related stories happening here and worldwide. Of course everyone can say it's all bull**** and demand proof. But what the proof is? If I see the sky which looks like a chase board I don't rather think that planes were flying from West to East and from North to South in the same time above the same place cos it doesn't make any sense for me.

It's a contrail from an aircraft. It's water vapour.

Go to google and type in "lizard people", same principle.

weisses · 15-11-2012 10:38AM

MDPolak wrote: »

One more picture of old good Dublin, its lovely clouds and contrails after an Air Show

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4w1LU9CUAIOcTw.jpg:large

I should be more worried with the spray coming from that thing in the top left corner

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 10:38AM

MDPolak wrote: »

I'll put it that way. You guys believe in what you see in the telly, don't do your own research and first of all trust your government. I will stick to what I can find on line, to all those articles, reports and videos about something what doesn't even exist. Mad mad Internet.

Reading nonsense on conspiracy sites isn't research, it's reading nonsense. Doing your own research would involve going to the airports, talking to pilots and ground staff, sitting down and working out how many hundreds of thousands of people would be involved in the conspiracy, how there has never been a leak from these hundreds of thousands of people etc. etc.

Have you done this?

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 10:40AM

MDPolak wrote: »

Look, I'm only mere folk. I can't point my finger at anyone or handle physical evidence. If you put key words into google, for example chemtrails ireland, you'll find some related stories happening here and worldwide. Of course everyone can say it's all bull**** and demand proof. But what the proof is? If I see the sky which looks like a chase board I don't rather think that planes were flying from West to East and from North to South in the same time above the same place cos it doesn't make any sense for me.

You are living near an airport. Do you expect all the planes to always fly in the same direction?

I already suggested you look at this website - and it doesn't even feature EVERY flight. Look how much traffic is up there. Click on a plane to see what it is, who owns it and where it is going. This is research.

http://www.flightradar24.com/

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 10:55AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Reading nonsense on conspiracy sites isn't research, it's reading nonsense. Doing your own research would involve going to the airports, talking to pilots and ground staff, sitting down and working out how many hundreds of thousands of people would be involved in the conspiracy, how there has never been a leak from these hundreds of thousands of people etc. etc.

Have you done this?

Following your way of thinking to understand what exactly happened on 9/11 I would have to go to New York and speak to eye witnesses, firefighters, policemen etc. Of course they wouldn't tell me the truth as they don't have proper evidence about anything, only their own opinions which is different than yours.
Spraying the atmosphere does not need involvement of thousands of people. Planes might take off even from the airports located outside of Ireland. All what they need is permission to enter Irish air space.

Monty Burnz · 15-11-2012 10:59AM

MDPolak wrote: »

Following your way of thinking to understand what exactly happened on 9/11 I would have to go to New York and speak to eye witnesses, firefighters, policemen etc. Of course they wouldn't tell me the truth as they don't have proper evidence about anything, only their own opinions which is different than yours.

You would need to talk to the people involved if you were doing real research. What you are talking about is reading what other people describe as 'research'. Whether they have talked to the people involved and the people on the scene is also rather doubtful.

MDPolak wrote: »

Spraying the atmosphere does not need involvement of thousands of people. Planes might take off even from the airports located outside of Ireland. All what they need is permission to enter Irish air space.

So none of the thousands of people working in these airports notice these mystery planes? None of the thousands of pilots flying into, out of and through Ireland never notice these mystery planes? Who services these mystery planes? Who flies them? Why does nobody see them? Why does the government allow them to fly into our airspace? Who fuels them? Who puts the mystery chemicals into them? Who sells the mystery chemicals to the mystery aviators? Why can't you see these mystery planes from the ground?

Do you see how ridiculously large this conspiracy has already become with ten obvious questions?

MDPolak · 15-11-2012 11:01AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You are living near an airport. Do you expect all the planes to always fly in the same direction?

I already suggested you look at this website - and it doesn't even feature EVERY flight. Look how much traffic is up there. Click on a plane to see what it is, who owns it and where it is going. This is research.

http://www.flightradar24.com/

Thanks for the link. Are cargo and military planes included on this radar?

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