Top Hamas Military leader killed - Israel/Hamas on the brink of War??

GRMA wrote: »

Yeah, the 11 month old baby they killed was a right nasty piece of work. Why are rockets being fired? Becuase of the brutal zionist imposed status quo.

And you think Israeli lives are worth less??

GRMA wrote: »

No.

Is the other poster justifying this?

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Jesus wept. For me it's simple, when children die, that's it, no matter what the background is or who's side it's on. No "legitimate" nation should be responsible for an actions like this.

Those pilots have committed a war crime either way today. Each side is as bad as the other but Israel are supposed to be the side who are democratic. Their actions caused this poor child's fate.

There is always another way.

Koda Red Stepson wrote: »

As awful and cold as it sounds but innocents will always be killed in war, but nations can minimize those deaths and insurgents, terrorists, freedom fighters (call them what you will) have a part to play in this in so far as not using civilian population centers to launch attacks from and hide in.

In the event of a large scale military engagement the Israeli's could do it on the cheap and carpet bomb Gaza and wipe the place off the face of the earth if you really believe thats their aim.. But instead they use guided munitions and surgical strikes against their enemy targets to minimize civilian casualties.

There is a price to attacking any nation, and in particular Israel and that price is often very bloody and costly in terms of human life.. Hamas harassed Israel something awful in the last number of months with almost daily rocket attacks, they (Hamas) know the price they'll pay so if they think they can afford it let them shut up about it and get on with their business when Israel strikes back ~ or is it a one way war they want?.

But regardless of all that I think everyone will agree that innocent lives lost is a terrible price to have to pay, its unavoidable but can be minimized.

I doubt there's ever been a war/battle whereby innocents were not killed, I've never witnessed one yet.

But the whole issue is not being resolved in the correct way.
We all allow the government of Israel to commit terrible acts of terrorism and illegal actions since it's establishment as a nation.

We also allow them to play in our sporting events which gives them no incentive to try and get on with their neighbors.

FFS, they are all the bloody same people yet because of stupid religion and a ridiculous commitment to being hard nosed idiots, the result is always the bloody same.

Of course there is always unavoidable issues where innocent people are killed but in this case, every time it happens, nobody learns, especially Israel. You say there is a price, well, those poor children shouldn't have to pay for it. And the guided strikes are never so guided. That is a undeniable fact. Take a look at what the Israeli government have been involved in over the last 40 years and also, don't forget that no matter what they try to say, they were responsible for the deaths of over 300 hundred Palestinian children in 2008 and 2009. Don't be fooled by what you may hear about Mossad. They have as much blood on their hands as any terrorist group, much of it innocent blood. Take a look at the attack on the Sands Hotel in Beirut in 1973, codenamed Operation Spring of Youth. This attack, a revenge killing for the Munich attack in 1972, resulted in innocent bystanders being murdered in an attempt to carry out a killing of three Palestinian Liberation Organisation members. One of the Mossad agents in that attack was the future Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak! Incredibly, some of these thugs were decorated afterwards. In spite of the fact that a considerable number of innocent people were killed. Also, in an act of revenge for the Munich attack, another innocent man, Ahmed Bouchiki, was murdered by Mossad after he was mistakenly identified as a Palestinian terrorist. He was shot in front of his pregnant wife while leaving a cinema in Lillyhammer, Norway. Six agents were arrested, but five received very short prison terms. Israel actually tried to pay off Bouchiki's wife, even though they never had the balls to admit they carried out the crime! Mossad's speciality is sneaking around the world committing acts of terror and assassinations in the name of the Israeli state and democracy. I'm not sure what type of democracy they have, but it's not my type. And you might say that all these acts could be called unfortunate, or even collateral damage, if you were that cynical, but I'd love to hear your view if it happened to one of your family members.

Here we have Hamas, a crazy bunch of idiots who use children as human shields. Well, there's nothing you can do to convince ignorant gits like that about peace and reconciliation. The only way to get rid of them is to make them redundant and unimportant. Use their own people against them by giving the Palestinian on the street (or what's left of it) what he wants: his own fully independent state with linking borders and an open city policy on Jerusalem. If you give that, then the likes of Hamas have no reason for being around. If they continue to be trouble, then you have proper justification to defend yourself by permanently knocking the stuffing out of them.

Both the Palestinians and the Israelis believe they were given their land by God!Holy ****, how do you work with that??The simple answer is that you can't, so you have to force both of them to do the right thing.
See, I think it's really simple, and forgive me for putting it this way, but to be honest, I don't care because it's right!
When one child, never mind 400, gets killed, no matter what the reason, whatever the f**k you are doing must stop there and now.

The assholes in Tel Aviv are complaining about their civilians being killed by home made pieces of s**t flying into their back gardens, but they made that choice to stick their fat asses there in the first place. The land that they have their swimming pools on is not theirs. It was mostly taken in by force and never handed back. But the children that died in Gaza over the last day had no choice. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some were there because their parents or families had nowhere else to go. We say that Israel is a democratic, civilised nation which, according to them, is defending its right to exist. Well, if my head Minister made that statement and then went on to be responsible for the deaths of over 400 hundred kids, the least he would have to worry about is his fecking vote from me.

You can't justify hundreds of dead children in the name of democracy and freedom. It's as simple as that. I couldn't care less about the crazy Hamas 'freedom fighters' running around with home-made S**trockets in their back pockets. Feck them, they deserve to get the asses blown to hell. But what I won't allow myself to accept is that a nation that stands beside my country in all of the major sporting tournaments and competitions like the European Championship in soccer and the Eurovision Song contest can be accepted after the horrendous acts of both terrorism and war crimes against mainly helpless people and claim it's all for democracy.
Israel gets away with it all because we are meant to feel sorry about them. But we don't feel sorry about Poland who suffered equally in the holocaust. Nah, screw that, sure they only lost 1 million Poles! But we all know the bully always gets his turn and Israel is allowing Hamas to breed another 6 million of theses crazy feckers who will have no problem walking into a suicide. That's all they will have managed to achieve by its defensive offensive. When I hear the Israeli ambassador on my local radio station saying that on behalf of Israel that he "deeply regrets" the death of children, I have to laugh, you don't convince me mate, and if you gave that answer to my face I'd punch your lights out. They should all know better and hang their heads in shame. I have no problem telling an Israeli citizen that.

This was an act that if carried out by anybody else would have been considered terrorism.

They just keep getting away with every single time.
Murder of innocents
Kidnapping
Illegal storage of WMD
Illegal acts of invasion

No other country would getting away with it every single time.