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Does being sceptical of mixed-race relationships automatically make you racist?

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  • #32
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    budgemook wrote: »
    I understand your point and don't think it makes you racist. You're basically sceptical of relationships between people from very different backgrounds. Like if a young farmer started dating a girl from a rough council estate, or a traveller started dating a TD's kid. Might work, but you'd be sceptical.

    You may have missed the whole "mixed-race" part of the thread title. The OP's not talking about a farmer and a girl from a council estate ffs.


  • #33
    MakeEmLaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    Scioch wrote: »
    Pretty sure you're a racist.

    Against who? The OP never said what background they were from.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Hidden messages and all Mr White Supremacist. You just don't want the white man to water down his pure genes.

    How do you know the OP is white, or even a man?


  • #34
    budgemook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭budgemook


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You may have missed the whole "mixed-race" part of the thread title. The OP's not talking about a farmer and a girl from a council estate ffs.

    Yes I can read - thanks though. I'm just saying it's a similar point. Nobody is saying it isn't right, just that the instinctive reaction is "that will never work".


  • #35
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    How do you know the OP is white, or even a man?

    I can feel it in my white man bones.


  • #36
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    31% of same race marriages end in divorce in the US.

    41% of mixed race marriages end in divorce in the US.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/interracial-marriage-in-us_n_1281229.html

    10% difference is hardly worth writing off 59% of the successful mixed race marriages over a slight statistical disadvantage.

    Also, the US still has a lot of racial divide so there is probably a lot more stigma and conflict faced in mixed race marriages which same race marriages don't have to face which leads to the discrepancy. The number of mixed race marriages in the US is on the rise and the racial divide is narrowing in the US...so expect these numbers to come closer as time goes on.


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  • #37
    MagicMarker
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    budgemook wrote: »
    Yes I can read - thanks though. I'm just saying it's a similar point. Nobody is saying it isn't right, just that the instinctive reaction is "that will never work".

    Erm, no, that's NOT the instinctive reaction, that's the whole point. Normal people don't look at an interracial couple and say "that'll never work".


  • #38
    budgemook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭budgemook


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Erm, no, that's NOT the instinctive reaction, that's the whole point. Normal people don't look at an interracial couple and say "that'll never work".

    It's true! surprised I typed that. I think it is normal to be a bit sceptical though.


  • #39
    MelissaaJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 ✭MelissaaJ


    I don't think you are racist.. It's not like you've a hatred toward a certain race your thoughts are just that it is less likely to succeed as a relationship. Thoughts and hate are different subjects.


  • #40
    OneArt
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Even tea?

    Only if it's black tea.


  • #41
    Madam_X
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    In fairness you're supporting your assertion - that's not the same as "Mixed race couples are just wrong, I don't like it."
    Maybe there is more outside pressure (family, not just societal) on such couples in certain societies, leading to separation.


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  • #42
    se02orqua5xz9v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭se02orqua5xz9v


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You know what, I've never even thought about it. You know why? Because I don't give a shít what the likelihood is of a relationship ending based on race.

    I hope you don't dislocate your elbow patting yourself on the back.


  • #43
    MagicMarker
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    MelissaaJ wrote: »
    I don't think you are racist.. It's not like you've a hatred toward a certain race your thoughts are just that it is less likely to succeed as a relationship. Thoughts and hate are different subjects.
    Hey OP, ya didn't need to create a new account just to agree with yourself.


  • #44
    Calibos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,929 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Its racist because your sceptiscism is based on nothing but the skin colour. Thats text book racism.

    Had you said
    thats never going to work because of the cultural differences between an African and Irish person or
    thats never going to work because of the differences between urban UK/US black culture and rural Irish culture or
    thats never going to work because of the cultural differences between that Nigerian Doctor and inner city Irish girl

    Well those wouldn't be racist observations

    It would be racist of me to say I would never date a black girl because she is black
    It would not be racist of me to say that I would never date a black girl because they generally have big backsides and I am not a fan of big booty's


  • #45
    budgemook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭budgemook


    Calibos wrote: »
    Its racist because your sceptiscism is based on nothing but the skin colour. Thats text book racism.

    Had you said
    thats never going to work because of the cultural differences between an African and Irish person or
    thats never going to work because of the differences between urban UK/US black culture and rural Irish culture or
    thats never going to work because of the cultural differences between that Nigerian Doctor and inner city Irish girl

    Well those wouldn't be racist observations

    It would be racist of me to say I would never date a black girl because she is black
    It would not be racist of me to say that I would never date a black girl because they generally have big backsides and I am not a fan of big booty's

    :rolleyes:


  • #46
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    What you gon' do with all that junk?
    All that junk inside your trunk?
    I'ma get, get, get, get, you drunk,
    Get you love drunk off my hump.
    My hump, my hump, my hump, my hump, my hump,
    My hump, my hump, my hump, my lovely little lumps (Check it out)

    Ugh...


  • #47
    se02orqua5xz9v
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    Calibos wrote: »
    Its racist because your sceptiscism is based on nothing but the skin colour. Thats text book racism.

    Had you said
    thats never going to work because of the cultural differences between an African and Irish person or
    thats never going to work because of the differences between urban UK/US black culture and rural Irish culture or
    thats never going to work because of the cultural differences between that Nigerian Doctor and inner city Irish girl

    Well those wouldn't be racist observations

    It would be racist of me to say I would never date a black girl because she is black
    It would not be racist of me to say that I would never date a black girl because they generally have big backsides and I am not a fan of big booty's

    What a pile of sanctimonious drivel. Had you read my original post, you'd see I cited an academic text, based on researched conducted by two Professors, which noted that black man/white woman relationships are twice as likely to fail as white man/white woman relationships. Not once did I use the term "skin colour". When I say 'white' or 'black', I am referring as much to the two groups' cultural differences as anything else.


  • #48
    _Kaiser_
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    Blah..Blah.. racist this, PC-dogoodery that :rolleyes:

    OP I get what you mean but I think you just expressed it in a way that drew all the "STOP! RACIST!!" types like moths to a flame.

    What you should have said is that the cultural and religious differences - even language and sense of humour comes into play - mean that in a large percentage of cases, a relationship may fail. That's not to say they ALL fail, or are "doomed to fail" from the start.. it's just acknowledging the statistical oddity

    Unfortunately though you posted this in a country where we are so afraid of being branded racists (attitudes towards members of the travelling community notwithstanding) that we will scream outrage at even the mere hint of controversy, rather than stopping to logically consider the point.

    It's also how there are individuals (both Irish native and otherwise) who take full advantage of this situation because we're so paralysed by this fear to object - which then of course merely reinforces the negative stereotypes anyway

    But no doubt I'm a "racist" too now, so see you at the next reunion :rolleyes:


  • #49
    GoldenLight
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Against who? The OP never said what background they were from.

    Making an assumption and generalisation based on a persons race (any race) is actually racist, in fact it would be the corner stone of the definition of being a racist. So yes the OP is about racism.

    Is the OP being racist, I'm not sure, I would alot more details to make my mind up about that, is he/she making a statement or a genalisation about different races not being compatible or different community/national traditions not being compatible. Either way I would disagree with the OP, but I don't know the facts to say wether he/she is rascist.


  • #50
    coonecb1
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    So according to most of the PC brigade on here, the original post is racist for citing a scientific study (the merits of which can be debated, but it's still a study).

    The OP then states their own opinion, and gets labelled racist. It's not racist, it's a subjective opinion with a little bit of substance behind it.

    It seems to be way too easy to get called a racist nowadays. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? It's not like the OP was insulting all black people or inciting a mob to go around beating up black people!


  • #51
    Scioch
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Against who? The OP never said what background they were from.

    Everybody.


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  • #52
    coonecb1
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    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Making an assumption and generalisation based on a persons race (any race) is actually racist, in fact it would be the corner stone of the definition of being a racist. So yes the OP is about racism.
    QUOTE]

    So would you say Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy are racists? They've made millions off assumptions and generalisations about white people. What about Bernard Manning?


  • #53
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Nodin wrote: »
    Even tea?

    If you don't take milk.

    But then again so does taking milk.

    It's a minefield.


  • #54
    _Kaiser_
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    coonecb1 wrote: »
    So would you say Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy are racists? They've made millions off assumptions and generalisations about white people.
    .. and black people too! Watch Eddie Murphy "Raw" and "Delirious", or some of the Richard Pryor stuff and they have a go at everyone!


  • #55
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If you don't take milk.

    But then again so does taking milk.

    It's a minefield.


    ....I'm a nazi.....


  • #56
    coonecb1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭coonecb1


    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    .. and black people too! Watch Eddie Murphy "Raw" and "Delirious", or some of the Richard Pryor stuff and they have a go at everyone!

    100% agree, have the DVD of Eddie Murphy "Raw" and saw on TV Richard Pryor's stand-up from 1980 and they are both masterpieces of stand-up comedy :D

    Personally I don't think they're racist even despite their generalisations based on skin colour :)


  • #57
    Big Nasty
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    I don't give a flyin' fvck what colour people are but I do think different religious backgrounds affect relationships. I'm not talking protestant v catholic, more christian v muslim (for example). Two distinct religions with very different opinions in relation to way of life and treatment of wimmins. I think that's a far bigger issue than a black / red / yellow dating a white.


  • #58
    _Kaiser_
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    coonecb1 wrote: »
    100% agree, have the DVD of Eddie Murphy "Raw" and saw on TV Richard Pryor's stand-up from 1980 and they are both masterpieces of stand-up comedy :D

    Personally I don't think they're racist even despite their generalisations based on skin colour :)

    What's even funnier of course is the audience is made up of all races and they all piss themselves laughing - but of course these were the times before everyone started suing everyone else for the slightest perceived insult!

    It's why in the 80s, if you got brought home by a neighbour for doing something you'd be in for even worse - nowadays your parents will probably threaten to sue the neighbour because you, the little darling, would NEVER do anything and how DARE they suggest otherwise or say boo to you! :rolleyes:


  • #59
    GoldenLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭GoldenLight


    coonecb1 wrote: »
    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Making an assumption and generalisation based on a persons race (any race) is actually racist, in fact it would be the corner stone of the definition of being a racist. So yes the OP is about racism.
    QUOTE]

    So would you say Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy are racists? They've made millions off assumptions and generalisations about white people. What about Bernard Manning?

    Yes I would consider them racist jokes, infact most jokes wouldn't be funny unless some form of generalisation was used, that would be what humour works off, some more so cleverly than others. Infact all people life their lives making assumption and generalisation about everyday life, there is nothing wrong with that (it is a very good and quick way of process information)

    The problem arises when people start seeing those assumption and generalisation as facts, or truths to their own believe system, that they never question the thought.

    As I point out yes the OP (opening post) is racist, why because it's questioning different races, by generalising about each race being different isn't actually a bad thing, neither is this thread, but he/she did ask if it was racists and I answered, it is (I never said it was a bad thing to question things on race, I do suggest that excepting things as truths and believes based on race is wrong though (both are actually racists))

    I also pointed out, that I didn't believe the OP (orginal poster) was actually being racist, I would need more details on what he/she was spectical about in difference in a realtionship. The difference they present could be echoed in Catholic and Protestant families up north, during the troubles. It can have as much to do with peer pressure from a community/tradition point of view as it may from a race/national point of view. (Some of the time that can be intertwined)


  • #60
    steddyeddy
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    No just ignorant. As has been explained many times by scientists there is no such thing as race just different cultures.


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  • #61
    MaxSteele
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    West African males with white Irish women, I probably would be a bit skeptical yes. Purely because of the prevalence of the number of scam marriages in Europe. Particularly here.

    I must say though, oriental and far east asian people seem to have a great attitude and commitment to marriage and family. Going on a number of them I know personally.


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