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McClean refuses to wear poppy

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  • #122
    mike65
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    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Its a pity that UEFA didnt step in and tell the Brits not to mix politics with sport,especially having emblems plastered on the jersey.

    Imagine the outcry from the British press if the Bundesliga teams wanted to wear the Iron Cross to honour the German forces.Especially if it was Man Utd v Bayern Munich.They would probably call for the match to be called off.

    Imagine if the FAI told the National team players to wear the Easter Lilly.The question is,would all of them wear it.??

    Seriously, if you want to make a good point, make it well and not with asinine comparisons.

    The Cross of Iron was a NAZI military award (though pre-dates the NAZI era) and to even display such in Germany is a criminal offence. The poppy is not a military award, its a symbol of loss.


  • #123
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    O'Shea wore the Poppy jersey in the 1st half and did not for the 2nd half. I would say it is rather presumptuous of the employer to force their employess wear the poppy


  • #124
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Not sure but someone said John O'Shea didnt wear it either.

    He wore it for 45 minutes! Decisive protest there then.

    Pics at end of Daily Mail article slaggin McClean showing O'Shea with and without his poppy


  • #125
    To Alcohol
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    Good old McClean. If he was lying on the ground on fire I'd think twice before having a piss on him.


  • #126
    born2bwild
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    mike65 wrote: »
    Seriously, if you want to make a good point, make it well and not with asinine comparisons.

    The Cross of Iron was a NAZI military award and to even display such in Germany is a criminal offence. The poppy is not a military award, its a symbol of loss.

    Really? But the Iron cross predates the nazi era by 120 years!!!


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  • #127
    Soups123
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    I see Louie Walsh had one on tonight in the xfactor too. Disappointing


  • #128
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Soups123 wrote: »
    I see Louie Walsh had one on tonight in the xfactor too. Disappointing

    No great surprise considering X Factor were to the fore in this faux expression


  • #129
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    Soups123 wrote: »
    I see Louie Walsh had one on tonight in the xfactor too. Disappointing

    More disappointing you watch that old shit


  • #130
    mike65
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    born2bwild wrote: »
    Really? But the Iron cross predates the nazi era by 120 years!!!

    I amended my post! :)

    ps They had to change the design after the war.


  • #131
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    born2bwild wrote: »
    What is the cause? I was talking with a bloke the other day who said that it was about glorification of the Britain's history of war.

    I argued that it was so that people should 'never forget' war in a general sense...

    So why is the 'poppy movement' so inextricably linked with the present british armed forces?


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  • #132
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    To Alcohol wrote: »
    Good old McClean. If he was lying on the ground on fire I'd think twice before having a piss on him.

    Is that because Alcohol is an accelerant?


  • #133
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Lucky he was not playing (new) Rangers today, they had fcukin artillery from the British Army on the pitch to remember the fallen :confused:

    In Scottish football terms they are the 'fallen'


  • #134
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Obviously the commemorations at Ibrox are so extravagant because of Rangers' long standing opposition to fascism.


    tumblr_m13se4Q0uk1r33kbt.gif

    Fought Franco's police in 1972 dont ya know


  • #135
    Jimoslimos
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    dooferoaks wrote: »
    He wore it for 45 minutes! Decisive protest there then.

    Pics at end of Daily Mail article slaggin McClean showing O'Shea with and without his poppy
    Many players change shirts at half time, I don't know if there would have been two shirts with the poppy sewn into them.


  • #136
    Rhys Essien
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    mike65 wrote: »
    Seriously, if you want to make a good point, make it well and not with asinine comparisons.

    The Cross of Iron was a NAZI military award (though pre-dates the NAZI era) and to even display such in Germany is a criminal offence. The poppy is not a military award, its a symbol of loss.

    Not true FFS.Since 1956,it has resumed its usage as the symbol of the modern German Armed Forces(Bundeswehr).

    Pic here


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eurofighter_9803_1.jpg


  • #137
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Many players change shirts at half time, I don't know if there would have been two shirts with the poppy sewn into them.

    We could probably do a survey of most other players in Sunderland and other premier league teams and find that virtually all of them had poppies in the second and first half.


  • #138
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    This thread would be a perfect time to highlight the plight of Kettering Town Football Club. If you worry about one Poppy today, make it the Poppies of Kettering Town. :o


  • #139
    kippy
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    When exactly did wearing a poppy become so common place for weeks on end on various TV shows?
    Defo dont remember it being as widespread a decade ago.


  • #140
    born2bwild
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    mike65 wrote: »
    I amended my post! :)

    ps They had to change the design after the war.

    Well I knew sfa about the iron cross before I had to google it after your post so I wouldn't get too worried....

    Still it's a good question - why don't the British public wear German WW1 era helmet - shaped badges in november to commemorate the war - it's all about remembering WW1 and not repeating it, no?


  • #141
    born2bwild
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    dooferoaks wrote: »
    This thread would be a perfect time to highlight the plight of Kettering Town Football Club. If you worry about one Poppy today, make it the Poppies of Kettering Town. :o
    Wear a poppy to support your local League of Ireland club - or an Iron Cross.


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  • #142
    Soups123
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    The newspaper article and the thread title is wrong, saying he is refusing to wear it is the wrong, refusing is saying no when being told to. He decided not too and it's understandable and within his rights.


  • #143
    BhoscaCapall
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    dooferoaks wrote: »
    He wore it for 45 minutes! Decisive protest there then.

    Pics at end of Daily Mail article slaggin McClean showing O'Shea with and without his poppy

    How typically cowardly of the Daily Mail not to even mention what might have happened in Derry in 1972 to motivate McClean's decision. No doubt comments have been disabled in case anyone does their job for them :rolleyes:


  • #144
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    kippy wrote: »
    When exactly did wearing a poppy become so common place for weeks on end on various TV shows?
    Defo dont remember it being as widespread a decade ago.

    Co-ncidentally, around the same time the birtish army became involved in controversial wars overseas that do not have the overwhelming support of the population. Co incidence though i'm sure


  • #145
    Rascasse
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    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Its a pity that UEFA didnt step in and tell the Brits not to mix politics with sport,especially having emblems plastered on the jersey.

    Imagine the outcry from the British press if the Bundesliga teams wanted to wear the Iron Cross to honour the German forces.Especially if it was Man Utd v Bayern Munich.They would probably call for the match to be called off.

    Imagine if the FAI told the National team players to wear the Easter Lilly.The question is,would all of them wear it.??

    Firstly the poppy appeal is non-political. Secondly what about Barcelona? Should they not have used the UNICEF on the shirts as the UN also signs off on military action like Afghanistan and (somewhat dubiously) Iraq?

    Or the Qatar foundation? A nation that is a leading light for democracy and freedom.

    Or is it because its "the Brits" thats the problem?


  • #146
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    kippy wrote: »
    When exactly did wearing a poppy become so common place for weeks on end on various TV shows?
    Defo dont remember it being as widespread a decade ago.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/show-us-you-care-the-rise-of-good-cause-labelling-6258701.html


  • #147
    BhoscaCapall
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    Rascasse wrote: »
    Firstly the poppy appeal is non-political.
    Bollocks is it. Don't you dare try and peddle that pish here.

    An appeal for f***ing soldiers who FOUGHT IN WARS non political :rolleyes: jog on. It's an annual display of jingoism and pro army propaganda.


  • #148
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    Rascasse wrote: »
    Firstly the poppy appeal is non-political. Secondly what about Barcelona? Should they not have used the UNICEF on the shirts as the UN also signs off on military action like Afghanistan and (somewhat dubiously) Iraq?

    Or the Qatar foundation? A nation that is a leading light for democracy and freedom.

    Or is it because its "the Brits" thats the problem?

    Non political?? How much more political can you get than by supporting the armed forces?I agree with you about barca and Qatar though


  • #149
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Rascasse wrote: »
    Firstly the poppy appeal is non-political

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  • #150
    Rascasse
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Bollocks is it. Don't you dare try and peddle that pish here.

    An appeal for f***ing soldiers who FOUGHT IN WARS non political :rolleyes: jog on. It's an annual display of jingoism and pro army propaganda.

    It is for the benefit of those who are or were in the military and their families. They take no position on whether the wars are just or not.

    According to the RBL 8 milllion people are eligible for their support. It's a popular charity in Britain that does good work. No great surprise the EPL decided to support them.


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  • #151
    Rhys Essien
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    Rascasse wrote: »
    Firstly the poppy appeal is non-political. Secondly what about Barcelona? Should they not have used the UNICEF on the shirts as the UN also signs off on military action like Afghanistan and (somewhat dubiously) Iraq?

    Or the Qatar foundation? A nation that is a leading light for democracy and freedom.

    Or is it because its "the Brits" thats the problem?


    Who are you trying to fool.Sport should be kept neutral.That is all.


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