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McClean refuses to wear poppy

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  • #62
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    Boskowski wrote: »
    I understand it may have a different slant in Ireland but it's origin is not all British and for me it stands for remembering how stupid war is and the senseless maiming of millions of young lives. I find it hard to understand how anyone would not want to support that kind of message.

    No one would argue with that message but thats not the message that the poppy is used for today in the UK. Wearing a poppy stands for how stupid the wars in iraq and Afghanistan are?? I dont think so


  • #63
    smileyj1987
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    Its quite simple if you don't believe or support a cause then why wear a symbol to say you do, it would be very hypocritical .


  • #64
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    born2bwild wrote: »
    He's a bit of an eejit for sticking his head up and refusing to conform - still and all, often if people are criticising you it's a sign that you're doing something right...

    Sunderland fans might do well to ask what their army got up to in Derry in the not too distant past

    He's been an eejit in the past but its unfair to label him so over this. he obviously feels strongly about it. Nice to see a footballer who has an opinion for a change


  • #65
    born2bwild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭born2bwild


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    No one would argue with that message but thats not the message that the poppy is used for today in the UK. Wearing a poppy stands for how stupid the wars in iraq and Afghanistan are?? I dont think so

    What is the cause? I was talking with a bloke the other day who said that it was about glorification of the Britain's history of war.

    I argued that it was so that people should 'never forget' war in a general sense...


  • #66
    TokenWhite
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    born2bwild wrote: »
    He's a bit of an eejit for sticking his head up and refusing to conform - still and all, often if people are criticising you it's a sign that you're doing something right...

    Sunderland fans might do well to ask what their army got up to in Derry in the not too distant past

    Did you not read the rest of my post? Or just the first 6 words. If this was the first bit of "controversy" I'd read about McClean being in "I'd say storm in a teacup, who cares, he's entitled not to" (which he is), but the fact the man is always courting controversy is why I think he's an eejit.


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  • #67
    BhoscaCapall
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    Looks like we have the Neil Lennon of the next generation. Vilified and abused for being proud of where he's from.

    "He brings it on himself" lads :rolleyes:

    Disgusting attitude some people have. Absolutely disgusting.


  • #68
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Lucky he was not playing (new) Rangers today, they had fcukin artillery from the British Army on the pitch to remember the fallen :confused:


  • #69
    born2bwild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭born2bwild


    TokenWhite wrote: »
    Did you not read the rest of my post? Or just the first 6 words. If this was the first bit of "controversy" I'd read about McClean being in "I'd say storm in a teacup, who cares, he's entitled not to" (which he is), but the fact the man is always courting controversy is why I think he's an eejit.

    Of course I read all of your post - I chose not to concentrate on what you said about McClean's personality as I find the question about the significance of the poppy much more interesting.


  • #70
    niallo27
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Looks like we have the Neil Lennon of the next generation. Vilified and abused for being proud of where he's from.

    "He brings it on himself" lads :rolleyes:

    Disgusting attitude some people have. Absolutely disgusting.

    His comments in the past have nothing to do with where is he is from.


  • #71
    BhoscaCapall
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Hi comments in the past have nothing to do with where is he is from.
    His comments in the past have nothing to do with this thread.


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  • #72
    TheBuilder
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    shanec1928 wrote: »

    McClean......

    Oh look it's the spelling police, I've mentioned him about 3 other times in the thread and spelt it correctly, do one.


  • #73
    Mr_Spaceman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Mr_Spaceman


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    If there is no pressure why are there so many to be seen on TV but so few on the streets in comparison?

    The majority of people in the last day or two in my particular London borough were wearing one. Pressure? Rubbish. No one is forcing me or anybody else to wear one.

    As for McClean, well, he's not the brightest and I suspect it's more tedious attention-seeking.


  • #74
    TheBuilder
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Lucky he was not playing (new) Rangers today, they had fcukin artillery from the British Army on the pitch to remember the fallen :confused:

    You Celtic lot can't resist can you? Everything has to turn into a dig at Rangers. There were as many servicemen and women at the English games as there was at the Rangers game, rangers used a cannon to start and end the minutes silence, big deal!


  • #75
    Mr_Spaceman
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Lucky he was not playing (new) Rangers today, they had fcukin artillery from the British Army on the pitch to remember the fallen :confused:

    And what's the problem with that, exactly?

    Or are you just offended for the sake of it?


  • #76
    BhoscaCapall
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    TheBuilder wrote: »
    You Celtic lot can't resist can you? Everything has to turn into a dig at Rangers. There were as many servicemen and women at the English games as there was at the Rangers game, rangers used a cannon to start and end the minutes silence, big deal!
    Bit tasteless to wheel out a big piece of deadly artillery in a commemoration of Britain's war dead, no?

    At least the clubs in England had a bit of respect.


  • #77
    CSF
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Looks like we have the Neil Lennon of the next generation. Vilified and abused for being proud of where he's from.

    "He brings it on himself" lads :rolleyes:

    Disgusting attitude some people have. Absolutely disgusting.
    Oh my lord it has begun


  • #78
    fionnsda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    TheBuilder wrote: »
    You Celtic lot can't resist can you? Everything has to turn into a dig at Rangers. There were as many servicemen and women at the English games as there was at the Rangers game, rangers used a cannon to start and end the minutes silence, big deal!

    lol

    was it aimed at celtic park by any chance :D


  • #79
    niallo27
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    His comments in the past have nothing to do with this thread.

    Why not, he loves the attention. I think they should be discussed when looking at his reasons for doing it.


  • #80
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    The majority of people in the last day or two in my particular London borough were wearing one. Pressure? Rubbish. No one is forcing me or anybody else to wear one.

    As for McClean, well, he's not the brightest and I suspect it's more tedious attention-seeking.

    The pressure may not be there for people in the street (not convinced either way on that one) but there is most definitely pressure in the public eye, and its expected everyone wears one. Why else would there be a researcher or whatever ready to pounce and give people about to appear on TV one. And if you are saying that being handed a shirt with a poppy embroidered onto it like McClean was, is not pressure then define it for me.


  • #81
    born2bwild
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    The majority of people in the last day or two in my particular London borough were wearing one. Pressure? Rubbish. No one is forcing me or anybody else to wear one.

    As for McClean, well, he's not the brightest and I suspect it's more tedious attention-seeking.

    I really don't agree with this - any time I've been in the Creggan or the Bogside I've gone away in no doubt that the British armed forces (or police - the PSNI aren't allowed into the Brandywell) were hated - and for good reason.

    Not attention seeking - a fact of McClean's life.


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  • #82
    BhoscaCapall
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    I think it's a sad reflection on the pathetic attitude behind the whole poppy thing that anyone who makes a personal choice not to wear one, even with the completely valid reasons McClean does, that it gets branded as trying to rile people up.

    Typical of the dangerous mindset the gutter press have instilled in some areas of the British public. These people are conditioned to snarl at anyone who doesn't support their wars. Smells a bit like fascism to me.
    niallo27 wrote: »
    Why not, he loves the attention. I think they should be discussed when looking at his reasons for doing it.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but his comments were made on Twitter. To followers. Hardly attention seeking is it?


  • #83
    Mr_Spaceman
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Bit tasteless to wheel out a big piece of deadly artillery in a commemoration of Britain's war dead, no?

    At least the clubs in England had a bit of respect.

    So tasteless the British troops in attendance were happy to be involved.

    And no one asks them which team, if any, they support when they walk into Ibrox either.


  • #84
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    And what's the problem with that, exactly?

    Or are you just offended for the sake of it?

    I am not offended, I am totally surprised that it is perceived to be reasonable to remember the fallen by bringing in a 105mm artillery gun into a football stadium. I mean WTF is the relevance?


  • #85
    BhoscaCapall
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    Obviously the commemorations at Ibrox are so extravagant because of Rangers' long standing opposition to fascism.


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  • #86
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    Hmm I get the feeling not even the SBL would go near this issue with a fifty foot barge pole. :pac:


  • #87
    Mr_Spaceman
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    born2bwild wrote: »
    I really don't agree with this - any time I've been in the Creggan or the Bogside I've gone away in no doubt that the British armed forces (or police - the PSNI aren't allowed into the Brandywell) were hated - and for good reason.

    Not attention seeking - a fact of McClean's life.

    He's happy enough to take the British coin though and enjoy a big platform in the EPL.

    It's also interesting how he makes these 'statements' yet never goes public to articulate his position properly - unless you count childishly mocking people on Twatter.


  • #88
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    I think it's a sad reflection on the pathetic attitude behind the whole poppy thing that anyone who makes a personal choice not to wear one, even with the completely valid reasons McClean does, that it gets branded as trying to rile people up.

    Typical of the dangerous mindset the gutter press have instilled in some areas of the British public. These people are conditioned to snarl at anyone who doesn't support their wars. Smells a bit like fascism to me.


    Correct me if I'm wrong but his comments were made on Twitter. To followers. Hardly attention seeking is it?

    Well the last few comments he made on twitter made all the papers and were discussed amoung a lot more people than his followers, so he knew this would have the same outcome. For the record i support the stance he is taking i'm just not 100% sure of his reasons behind it.


  • #89
    celtictiger32
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    hats off to mc clean fair play, its a pity more irish personalities in england havent got the balls to refuse to wear this also.


  • #90
    Mr_Spaceman
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Obviously the commemorations at Ibrox are so extravagant because of Rangers' long standing opposition to fascism.


    tumblr_m13se4Q0uk1r33kbt.gif

    You can't help yourself.

    Given the Republic's cosying up to Nazi Germany under De Valera during WW2 you might want to have a wee re-think there.

    Back to the topic - McClean - sometime soon?


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  • #91
    BhoscaCapall
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    He's happy enough to take the British coin though and enjoy a big platform in the EPL
    Are you really trying to draw a parallel between quietly choosing not to remember an army who murdered people in your hometown, with being employed in England? By your logic anybody who works in the UK, of any nationality, are hypocrites should they choose not to commemorate the British Army. Catch yourself on, you're sounding ridiculous.
    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well the last few comments he made on twitter made all the papers and were discussed amoung a lot more people than his followers, so he knew this would have the same outcome. For the record i support the stance he is taking i'm just not 100% sure of his reasons behind it.
    Admittedly I haven't followed everything he's said, but from what I've heard he has said nothing different to what I've heard anybody else from Derry, or indeed any Irish nationalist say. Are they all attention seeking too? Are you seriously going to sit there and dismiss anyone with a dissenting opinion to the British mainstream media as attention seeking? Newsflash kid, not everyone supports illegal wars and bloody invasions


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