McClean refuses to wear poppy

Rascasse · 10-11-2012 08:45PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Indeed and if we lay the blame on people that attack someone for their choice then that's perfect. As it should be. It's the he should have just played along camp I take issue with. Neither the supporters or non of a cause should see that as a positive as it just dilutes the actions of those that truly support it.

It's worth remembering that its a premier league fundraising thing, nothing to do with the clubs or players so wearing it doesn't mean supporting it. But like I said, I'm sure asking the kit man for one without wasn't a problem. Can't imagine any of the Argentinian players wearing it either.

greendom wrote: »

Absolutely - Dara O'Briain proudly announced that he wouldn't be wearing one when it coincided with a run of "You've Been Fired". When the episode was shown in rememberence week,, guess what was attached to his lapel. No, not a shamrock !
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Nonsense. Apprentice is always on in the spring. He also has a new show on now (Science Club - its very good) and he wasn't wearing it. Not that this has anything to do with football.

Leiva · 10-11-2012 08:47PM

Hello teacup meet storm.

TheBuilder · 10-11-2012 08:51PM

There is no pressure on everyone in Britain to wear one, that's a fallacy.

In saying that, McLean comes across as nothing but an attention seeker, and this does nothing to help his cause. He's a 'hero' to Irish people now according to many Facebook pages.

SantryRed · 10-11-2012 08:53PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

There is no pressure on everyone in Britain to wear one, that's a fallacy.

In saying that, McLean comes across as nothing but an attention seeker, and this does nothing to help his cause. He's a 'hero' to Irish people now according to many Facebook pages.

There is clearly a pressure. Check out the dogs abuse he's getting on Twitter now too. Fancy he'll get wrongly booed in his next game now.

greendom · 10-11-2012 08:55PM

Rascasse wrote: »

It's worth remembering that its a premier league fundraising thing, nothing to do with the clubs or players so wearing it doesn't mean supporting it. But like I said, I'm sure asking the kit man for one without wasn't a problem. Can't imagine any of the Argentinian players wearing it either.

Nonsense. Apprentice is always on in the spring. He also has a new show on now (Science Club - its very good) and he wasn't wearing it. Not that this has anything to do with football.

It's not nonsense - he was being interviewed on RTE Radio when he said he wouldn't wear one so I watched the show with interest when it was broadcast and was very surprised to see him wearing one.

And the point I was making was to the enormous pressure people are put under to wear one. perhaps he's a considerably bigger celebrity now than he was back then and doesn't feel the pressure to conform so much

galait · 10-11-2012 08:56PM

Dont know if mentioned but Keith Wood and Brian O'Driscoll were sitting side by side in the BBC Studio for the Ireland/SA game , Wood the muppet had a poppy whereas BOD did not ,

TheBuilder · 10-11-2012 08:56PM

SantryRed wrote: »

There is clearly a pressure. Check out the dogs abuse he's getting on Twitter now too. Fancy he'll get wrongly booed in his next game now.

Come on, you've seen the numpties that use twitter, they're just the people on the opposite side of the scale trying to make a point.

The majority put no pressure on anyone.

cameramonkey · 10-11-2012 08:57PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

There is no pressure on everyone in Britain to wear one, that's a fallacy.

In saying that, McLean comes across as nothing but an attention seeker, and this does nothing to help his cause. He's a 'hero' to Irish people now according to many Facebook pages.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/leading-article-poppywearing-should-be-a-matter-of-choice-not-pressure-6260201.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/nov/05/michael-white-poppy-white-feather

Of course there is. I was in London last week and maybe 1 out of 40 in the streets was wearing one. On TV everyone seems to be wearing one, is this just because those that work in TV are unusually patriotic or are they instructed to wear one?

Cienciano · 10-11-2012 08:58PM

galait wrote: »

Dont know if mentioned but Keith Wood and Brian O'Driscoll were sitting side by side in the BBC Studio for the Ireland/SA game , Wood the muppet had a poppy whereas BOD did not ,

Calling Keith Wood a muppet for wearing one is as bad as the poppy police giving out about McClean.

cameramonkey · 10-11-2012 08:58PM

galait wrote: »

Dont know if mentioned but Keith Wood and Brian O'Driscoll were sitting side by side in the BBC Studio for the Ireland/SA game , Wood the muppet had a poppy whereas BOD did not ,

Neither did Kearney. I wonder does Woods wander around Dublin with one or do the BBC crew give him his poppy?

TheBuilder · 10-11-2012 09:03PM

It's not about being more patriotic, the majority of British people are extremely proud of the efforts of their armed forces, particularly those in the world war, that is why they wear it, not due to pressure.

Witcher · 10-11-2012 09:05PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

There is no pressure on everyone in Britain to wear one, that's a fallacy.

It's pure and utter emotional blackmail..look at the ads for it;

I read an article on either the Guardian's or the Telegraph's website where the journalist outlined the social stigma of not wearing one. They made a good point that it's not even about the servicemen anymore..it's lost whatever meaning it had now, most people just wear it to conform and avoid trouble from loudmouths who will castigate people in public or in the workplace for not wearing one.

galait · 10-11-2012 09:06PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Calling Keith Wood a muppet for wearing one is as bad as the poppy police giving out about McClean.

If he was working for Newstalk/RTE at the game would he be wearing one ??

He is a long serving BBC analyst so maybe his contract means he has to toe the line where BOD/Kearney were doing the gig on the BBC as a once off so no pressure to toe the BBC line

Dozen Wicked Words · 10-11-2012 09:07PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

It's not about being more patriotic, the majority of British people are extremely proud of the efforts of their armed forces, particularly those in the world war, that is why they wear it, not due to pressure.

This is all straying off topic and heading toward the massive AH thread already trundling along there, but there definitely is pressure for those in the public eye to tow the line and wear a poppy. I say this as an Englishman who wears a poppy when I am in the UK. Complete denial to suggest otherwise.

cameramonkey · 10-11-2012 09:08PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

It's not about being more patriotic, the majority of British people are extremely proud of the efforts of their armed forces, particularly those in the world war, that is why they wear it, not due to pressure.

If there is no pressure why are there so many to be seen on TV but so few on the streets in comparison?

TheBuilder · 10-11-2012 09:11PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

If there is no pressure why are there so many to be seen on TV but so few on the streets in comparison?

So few on the streets? I disagree, I live in Glasgow and the vast majority wear them, hundreds of people pass through my work everyday, the majority wearing one.

TheBuilder · 10-11-2012 09:12PM

dooferoaks wrote: »

This is all straying off topic and heading toward the massive AH thread already trundling along there, but there definitely is pressure for those in the public eye to tow the line and wear a poppy. I say this as an Englishman who wears a poppy when I am in the UK. Complete denial to suggest otherwise.

You're right it is straying, at the end of the day it's McClean's choice, it doesn't make him a hero or a bad guy.

cameramonkey · 10-11-2012 09:15PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

So few on the streets? I disagree, I live in Glasgow and the vast majority wear them, hundreds of people pass through my work everyday, the majority wearing one.

I find that hard to believe.I was in London on Thursday and the vast majority were not wearing them. Maybe you work in barracks.

TheBuilder · 10-11-2012 09:17PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

I find that hard to believe.I was in London on Thursday and the vast majority were not wearing them. Maybe you work in barracks.

Lol, no I don't.

fionnsda · 10-11-2012 09:21PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

So few on the streets? I disagree, I live in Glasgow and the vast majority wear them, hundreds of people pass through my work everyday, the majority wearing one.

i live in a unionists town in the north, the vast majority don't wear them!

born2bwild · 10-11-2012 09:27PM

Martin O'Neill didn't have one on today either - I can't see how anyone from the nationalist side of Derry would wear one - perfectly understandable.

Boskowski · 10-11-2012 09:29PM

I understand it may have a different slant in Ireland but it's origin is not all British and for me it stands for remembering how stupid war is and the senseless maiming of millions of young lives. I find it hard to understand how anyone would not want to support that kind of message.

A Dub in Glasgo · 10-11-2012 09:35PM

Fair play to McClean, the poppy fascists will have a field day though

A Dub in Glasgo · 10-11-2012 09:37PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

So few on the streets? I disagree, I live in Glasgow and the vast majority wear them, hundreds of people pass through my work everyday, the majority wearing one.

I live in Glasgow and I would guess 25% of people wear one

shanec1928 · 10-11-2012 09:38PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

There is no pressure on everyone in Britain to wear one, that's a fallacy.

In saying that, McLean comes across as nothing but an attention seeker, and this does nothing to help his cause. He's a 'hero' to Irish people now according to many Facebook pages.

McClean......

BhoscaCapall · 10-11-2012 09:39PM

Can't possibly think why a nationalist from Derry might not want to commemorate the British Army....

What next, Norman Tebbit refusing to wear an Easter Lilly?

born2bwild · 10-11-2012 09:39PM

Boskowski wrote: »

I understand it may have a different slant in Ireland but it's origin is not all British and for me it stands for remembering how stupid war is and the senseless maiming of millions of young lives. I find it hard to understand how anyone would not want to support that kind of message.

Yeah - I always read it like that - it's a remembrance of lives lost and suffering so that we won't repeat the errors of history etc etc...

Still, though isn't there an element of glorification of the British armed forces involved in wearing the poppy?

Plenty of reasons for lads for Derry to refuse to wear a poppy on those grounds, imo

newballsplease · 10-11-2012 09:40PM

He's gettin all sorts of abuse on twitter from Sunderland fans and all.
He is yet to make any comment on it tho.

If its what he believes in then so be it. Nobody should be made wear one.
What has a poppy got to do with football anyway?

Should players have to wear a bit of tinsel coming upto xmas?!!

TokenWhite · 10-11-2012 09:41PM

I'm beginning to think the man's a bit of an eejit, not necessarily for this because I couldn't care less if he wears a poppy or not, he's perfectly entitled not to, but when you look at it in the context of a lot of his other actions, he comes across as a man that loves to be the centre of publicity, for reasons good or otherwise.

born2bwild · 10-11-2012 09:44PM

TokenWhite wrote: »

I'm beginning to think the man's a bit of an eejit, not necessarily for this because I couldn't care less if he wears a poppy or not, he's perfectly entitled not to, but when you look at it in the context of a lot of his other actions, he comes across as a man that loves to be the centre of publicity, for reasons good or otherwise.

He's a bit of an eejit for sticking his head up and refusing to conform - still and all, often if people are criticising you it's a sign that you're doing something right...

Sunderland fans might do well to ask what their army got up to in Derry in the not too distant past

McClean refuses to wear poppy

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