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    #152
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/he-told-girlfriend-he-would-stop-beating-her-if-she-let-him-gouge-her-eye-out-with-a-bread-knife-3287843.html


    I know I will be hounded out of town for this comment but why on earth did the woman stay with the "ba5tard" after he had assaulted her several times previously? It took pretty much a murder attempt where he half killed her for her to get away from him.



    After reading the story, there was clearly a history of violence in the relationship and what I would like to know is what makes some women stay with scumbags like this?


    Why not get the fcuk out at the first sign of violence?


    The scumbag deserved way more than the two and a half year sentence that he received so I'm no fan of the judge in this case by the way.


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    #153
    SimonTemplar
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    this chapter of his life ends in two and a half years but the poor women has to live with the memories of this horrific torture for the rest of her life. she may endure psychlogical damage including trouble trusting men and being in a relationship.

    the punishment ABSOLUTELY HAS to fit the crime.

    anyone who commits this kind of crime should pay for it for the rest of his life like the victim. lisbeth salendar had the right idea. there should be an internationally recognised symbol to identify people who commit violent and sexual assaults. in cases like these the guilty person should have this symbol tattood to their arm as a warning to any women he meets in future. regular checks should be required to ensure the tattoo isnt removed. people who commit those crimes should loose their ability to be in a relationship due to the potential life long trauma inflicted on the victims.

    surely only good would come of this system and i'd imagine a majority of the public would be in favour of it but things will never change :-(


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    #154
    smash
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    Big dick?


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    #155
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,161 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    The good old EU and it's idealised notions as to who gets in, and how easily they get to flit about, again...

    Even if they don't shape up economically, they can just cook the books and get in anyway! All in the cause of this nonsense ideal that all of Europe is the same, that self impoverished people given free migration will not move to the nation with the most generous or open ended welfare arrangements, or that one currency can be applied to 27 different economies!

    I agree, send them all home. Fecking immigrants coming over here. And if other countries enacted the same laws be'd be fine. It's not like ireland has ever seen outward migration/emigration. And when we did, it's not like we indulged in any criminality like organising criminal gangs in new york or boston. And we certainly never had anyone go abroad and train terrorists.

    btw, the eurozone has 17 members. The EU has 27 but that includes countries like the UK which will never join the euro. Really, before you go on a racist xenophobic, eurosceptic rant, you should check your facts.


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    #156
    BattleCorp
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    smash wrote: »
    Big dick?


    Possibly :)


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    #157
    the_syco
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    Probably low self esteem and fear.


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    #158
    Gbear
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    I would think that there's a mandate to have longer sentences for violent crimes.

    I don't understand why nobody campaigns on the issue, even if they don't actually plan on following through with it.

    If we just stopped putting any non-violent offenders in prison I'd imagine we'd save a bit of space.

    There seems to be a wrongheaded approach to crime based on the amount of damage done rather than the potential for damage and protecting society rather than doing "justice".
    This guy is clearly a dangerous person and the kind of torture he committed should have alarm bells ringing. He should be in prison for a solid 5 years, preferably more. He's clearly dangerous. That he committed the offence against someone considerably weaker (as opposed to two drunk eejits breaking each other's noses) should also be taken into account.


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    #159
    Immaculate Pasta
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I know I will be hounded out of town for this comment but why on earth did the woman stay with the "ba5tard" after he had assaulted her several times previously?

    You made a spelling mistake there mate.


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    #160
    Abi
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    Women, or men who suffer from this kind of abuse tend to have extremely low confidence, may be in fear, can be very depressed, and may see no other solution other than to stay. While it seems like common sense for you, it is an insult to these sufferers for you to assume they stay because they are loyal to their scumbag.

    You need to read up on this OP, it makes for grim reading but it explains the mindset of someone stuck in this situation.


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    #161
    mike65
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    I think its that people take refuge with those they know even though they all know they are at risk doing so. You get conditioned to a situation, its why people live in at times astonishing conditions (or do awful jobs) and think they are basically fine.

    Interesting that the report saw the need to state the nationality of both parties, its quite irrelevant.


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    #162
    Super-Rush
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    Merged.


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    #163
    WanabeOlympian
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    I call for a mass petition for the judge's dismissal immediately without pension/benefits!

    The judge obviously isn't intelligent enough or able enough.


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    #164
    Culleeo
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    Why did it take the Guards 6 days to arrest him :confused:The mind boggles. Either way, he's a scumbag, through and through.


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    #165
    Please Kill Me
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    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Fear.
    the_syco wrote: »
    Probably low self esteem and fear.

    This ^^^^

    I know of a girl who was with a guy who beat her, for almost a year. He not just beat her, he humiliated her, he raped her on more than one occasion, he made her life a living hell. One time he was actually going to her flat with a can of petrol to burn it with her in it because she reported him to the Gardai. She got a tip-off to get out before he got there. She stayed with him out of pure fear for her and her son. I asked her could she just not leave, go hide somewhere etc. but she said he would find her. It took a lot of convincing and moving her in the middle of the night, but I got her out of there. That was 4 years ago and she hasn't looked back, although the ordeal still haunts her and probably will for a very long time.

    It's a disgraceful situation to be in but anyone who hasn't been there can only imagine what it's like.


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    #166
    Culleeo
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    Please Kill Me wrote: »
    This ^^^^

    I know of a girl who was with a guy who beat her, for almost a year. He not just beat her, he humiliated her, he raped her on more than one occasion, he made her life a living hell. One time he was actually going to her flat with a can of petrol to burn it with her in it because she reported him to the Gardai. She got a tip-off to get out before he got there. She stayed with him out of pure fear for her and her son. I asked her could she just not leave, go hide somewhere etc. but she said he would find her. It took a lot of convincing and moving her in the middle of the night, but I got her out of there. That was 4 years ago and she hasn't looked back, although the ordeal still haunts her and probably will for a very long time.

    It's a disgraceful situation to be in but anyone who hasn't been there can only imagine what it's like.

    Fair play for giving her the courage to up and leave :)


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    #167
    tayto lover
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    Abi wrote: »
    Women, or men who suffer from this kind of abuse tend to have extremely low confidence, may be in fear, can be very depressed, and may see no other solution other than to stay. While it seems like common sense for you, it is an insult to these sufferers for you to assume they stay because they are loyal to their scumbag.

    You need to read up on this OP, it makes for grim reading but it explains the mindset of someone stuck in this situation.

    Indeed. I worked with a young girl of about 19 a few years ago. She came in one day with two black eyes, sore leg and bruising all over her body. She disclosed to me that her boyfriend had thrown her over the banisters of the stairs and kicked her to bits. I gave her advice to leave him, not to return and involve the Garda because it was bound to happen again. She did.
    A week later she was back with him. Charges dropped.
    Her reason she said was because he wouldn't have done that to her unless he loved her. I wouldn't like to see what he'd have done if he hated her.
    Madness or what?


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    #168
    BattleCorp
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    mike65 wrote: »

    Interesting that the report saw the need to state the nationality of both parties, its quite irrelevant.


    This crap annoys me. Why not state the nationality of both parties? Are you hinting that it is racist to reveal their nationalities? Maybe it's sexist to mention if they are male or female?
    If we are to get that uppity, why not ban revealing the sexes of both parties too.

    What crap.

    It's not irrelevant, it's informative.



    ........."A person beat up another person"......... not very informative really.


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    #169
    Madam_X
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Why not get the fcuk out at the first sign of violence?
    it's far from as simple as that. It's due to dependence, chipped-away self-esteem, being under control, fear as said. Much of this compounded if there are children.
    WanabeOlympian wrote: »
    I call for a mass petition for the judge's dismissal immediately without pension/benefits!

    The judge obviously isn't intelligent enough or able enough.
    Why do people keep going on as if the judge just plucked the sentence from nowhere? It's the statutes that need to be changed.


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    #170
    WanabeOlympian
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    Very good point madam x!!


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    #171
    BattleCorp
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    it's far from as simple as that. It's due to dependence, chipped-away self-esteem, being under control, fear as said. Much of this compounded if there are children.

    Why do people keep going on as if the judge just plucked the sentence from nowhere? It's the statutes that need to be changed.


    I take your point on the first paragraph above.

    I don't quite agree with your second one. Where then did the judge get his guidelines for sentencing? If he was allowed to give a five year sentence, then why did he suspend half of it?


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    #172
    MagicSean
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    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Fear.

    It's rarely fear of the abuser. It's more often a fear of being alone mixed in with a dependence on the abuser. This is more recognisable when children are involved.


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    #173
    Abi
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Indeed. I worked with a young girl of about 19 a few years ago. She came in one day with two black eyes, sore leg and bruising all over her body. She disclosed to me that her boyfriend had thrown her over the banisters of the stairs and kicked her to bits. I gave her advice to leave him, not to return and involve the Garda because it was bound to happen again. She did.
    A week later she was back with him. Charges dropped.
    Her reason she said was because he wouldn't have done that to her unless he loved her. I wouldn't like to see what he'd have done if he hated her.
    Madness or what?
    Thats an awful shame, such a young girl. If it's that serious and shes that sucked in so early.. I'm honestly afraid for her.
    MagicSean wrote: »
    It's rarely fear of the abuser. It's more often a fear of being alone mixed in with a dependence on the abuser. This is more recognisable when children are involved.
    The dependence comes hand in hand with the abuse. Confidence and self esteem is knocked out of the victim to the point where they don't even know how to survive without the abuse. It's a vicious circle.


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    #174
    Pat Mustard
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    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    How much has this lantern jawed prick cost us, since he came here to enhance our culture and diversify our gene pool?

    Harvest his organs to defray the expense of his imprisonment and subsequent deportation.


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    #175
    Thrill
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    Only two and a half years?

    F*cking disgrace.


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    #176
    Odysseus
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/he-told-girlfriend-he-would-stop-beating-her-if-she-let-him-gouge-her-eye-out-with-a-bread-knife-3287843.html


    I know I will be hounded out of town for this comment but why on earth did the woman stay with the "ba5tard" after he had assaulted her several times previously? It took pretty much a murder attempt where he half killed her for her to get away from him.



    After reading the story, there was clearly a history of violence in the relationship and what I would like to know is what makes some women stay with scumbags like this?


    Why not get the fcuk out at the first sign of violence?


    The scumbag deserved way more than the two and a half year sentence that he received so I'm no fan of the judge in this case by the way.

    It has its onw logic, I said it above and others have implied it this type of dysfunctional relationship is a very complex situation. The reason why both people are caught up in this type of behaviour is very subjective. There is the general that which is common in similar relationships and the specific that which is subjective.

    It all too easy to look at this with common sense, but it doesn't really apply here. Both people are sick, I don't mean this in any type of perjorative or moral way, but it is that which allows this type of relationship to continue.


    In cases like this it is best to just try be understanding, I mean this for both sides, of course if some needs to be punished by law that should occur. Bos need, the abused so that they can move on and experience whatever a normal relationship is, and the same for the abuser so that they don't repeat the same thing on some other person.

    I know it can seem strange but sometimes people just go from one abusive relationship to another, seeking them out. That is what I meant by there being a certain logic to it, but it does not equate with whatever common sense is.


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    #177
    Madam_X
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Where then did the judge get his guidelines for sentencing? If he was allowed to give a five year sentence, then why did he suspend half of it?
    Dunno. But there's bound to be more to it than him simply deciding "Feck it I'll go easy on the guy to piss people off." I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone here, but I think just damning the judge is simplifying the situation.


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    #178
    whatsthetime
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    EnterNow wrote: »
    Another farcical sentence. Hard to believe how much of a failure to Irish society the Judicial system here is.

    These Judges seem to have lost all connection with reality


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    #179
    MagicSean
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    whatsthetime wrote: »
    These Judges seem to have lost all connection with reality

    The worst decision I have ever seen in an abuse case was made by the jury, not the judge.


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    #180
    Piliger
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    I have no intention of writing gratuitous and ignorant abuse about the judge based on an Irish Independent journalist's report of the case. The Judge heard the whole case, that's why we have judges and not sideline kangaroo courts.


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    #181
    Big Bottom
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    I can see why she fell for him he is quite dishy!


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