What a sadistic bastar*

Death and Taxes

He stripped her, broke her wrist, fractured her eye socket and offered to stop beating her with a belt if she let him gouge her eye out with a bread knife!
He got a miserly two and a half years:mad:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/he-told-girlfriend-he-would-stop-beating-her-if-she-let-him-gouge-her-eye-out-with-a-bread-knife-3287843.html

Dicky Pride

The Irish justice system, like most other systems on this island, is an embarrassment.

BillyMitchel

Scumbag. One could only hope he becomes someone's bitch in prison.

CardBordWindow

Jaysus, that's even tough to read. That poor woman.:(

johnwest288

ah heyorrrrrrrrr leave it bleedin out Judge ...leave it owww

Son Of A Vidic

Every time you read some judgement from these useless kunts in our judiciary, you always read something like this....

Imposing a maximum five-year sentence yesterday with the final two-and-a-half years suspended

Why would the useless fúcker suspend part of the sentence on this animal? If you ask me, the only thing that should have been 'suspended' was the bástards life.

wp_rathead

shouldn't have read that story while eating my breakfast..
..disturbing to say the least..

30months is fecking nothing

poor woman

Ghandee

In before garlic reference.

Myrddin

Another farcical sentence. Hard to believe how much of a failure to Irish society the Judicial system here is.

DipStick McSwindler

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Standard Toaster

Happy Friday everyone.

DipStick McSwindler

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Cian92

I think a petition needs to be set up calling for harsher sentences and handed to that judge.

The man is an animal, he should be locked up for a minimum 20 years.

Leftist

the state doesn't really care about assault on women.

Wibbs

Ghandee wrote: »

In before garlic reference.

Oh very true G. However when one judge imposes the maximum sentence to a guy evading tax and even has the gall to come out with "it gives me no joy at all to jail a decent man”. He described Begley, of Woodlock, Redgap, Rathcoole, as a “success story” and an “asset to the country”, but pointed out he had engaged in a “grave” and “huge” tax evasion scheme" while doing so it beggars belief. Yet in this case the judge imposed a smaller sentence and suspended two and a half years of it? What the fúck.

When a "judgement" like that is set against the sentence handed down in this incredibly vicious assault, never mind the long fcuking list of crosseyed dribbling moronic sentences handed down in other well known cases of assault, bordering on attempted murder and rape in the last year(and the long daft list goes back many a year) it's bordering on socially irresponsible and IMHO it's close to the bloody socially criminal.

EnterNow wrote: »

Another farcical sentence. Hard to believe how much of a failure to Irish society the Judicial system here is.

+1000

Curly Judge

Why would this gentleman's feet even touch the ground between Mountjoy and Dublin airport in two and a half years time?
What's the betting on the victim visiting him in prison and bringing him food parcels?
Perhaps she should be offered the option of accompanying him out of the country?

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh very true G. However when one judge imposes the maximum sentence to a guy evading tax and even has the gall to come out with "it gives me no joy at all to jail a decent man”. He described Begley, of Woodlock, Redgap, Rathcoole, as a “success story” and an “asset to the country”, but pointed out he had engaged in a “grave” and “huge” tax evasion scheme" while doing so it beggars belief. Yet in this case the judge imposed a smaller sentence and suspended two and a half years of it? What the fúck.

When a "judgement" like that is set against the sentence handed down in this incredibly vicious assault, never mind the long fcuking list of crosseyed dribbling moronic sentences handed down in other well known cases of assault, bordering on attempted murder and rape in the last year(and the long daft list goes back many a year) it's bordering on socially irresponsible and IMHO it's close to the bloody socially criminal.

+1000

Is there anything we can even do about it?
I mean seriously, not in a "who cares" way. Write to the DPP? What?

Death and Taxes

Curly Judge wrote: »

Why would this gentleman's feet even touch the ground between Mountjoy and Dublin airport in two and a half years time?
What's the betting on the victim visiting him in prison and bringing him food parcels?
Perhaps she should be offered the option of accompanying him out of the country?

Thats it, have a pop at the victim who had the bravery to pursue the prosection of this animal. does that make you feel all big and manly now?:mad:

Son Of A Vidic

Leftist wrote: »

the state doesn't really care about assault on women.

Surprised the judge bollocks didn't ask about what the poor girl was wearing at the time.

HeyThereDeliah

Curly Judge wrote: »

Why would this gentleman's feet even touch the ground between Mountjoy and Dublin airport in two and a half years time?
What's the betting on the victim visiting him in prison and bringing him food parcels?
Perhaps she should be offered the option of accompanying him out of the country?

He cannot have any contact with her and I'm sure she does not want to contact him. She was most likely scared ****less of him and probably still is.

hardCopy

bluewolf wrote: »

Is there anything we can even do about it?
I mean seriously, not in a "who cares" way. Write to the DPP? What?

Settle down now, it's not for us to question our betters.

These judges are wiser than us and know the real story better.

Blah blah blah

biko

Only in Dubl Galway :eek:

Duggy747

This sub-human shìt should be catapulted back to Romania, we already have enough psychopaths here as it is.

2 and a half years for mentally and physically abusing someone to a great level. That's a relatively paltry sentence and what confidence does that give other people in abusive relationships to come forward when their animal of a partner would be out in no time.

MagicSean

He got the maximum sentence allowed by law. He had a portion of it suspended in mitigation but it can be reactivated if he does not comply with the conditions. Two and a half years for an assault is pretty long.

MagicSean

Leftist wrote: »

the state doesn't really care about assault on women.

Thats bull****. There are plenty of organisations and laws there to protect women. Our domestic violence laws are pretty powerful. But at the end of the day you can't really help someone who won't be helped. If a victim of domestic abuse won't make a complaint or take out a protection order then what should be done?

Leftist

Curly Judge wrote: »

Why would this gentleman's feet even touch the ground between Mountjoy and Dublin airport in two and a half years time?
What's the betting on the victim visiting him in prison and bringing him food parcels?
Perhaps she should be offered the option of accompanying him out of the country?

she might I doubt it in this case. Not all women 'ask for it' by sticking with a woman beater. A lot of them are terrified. When everyone else forgets about, the public and the police (basically in two years when he's out), he won't forget, and he might come back for her. And unless there's a court order to keep him away, he could come back for her.

There should be licenced and trained torturers to destroy these people, imo.

Leftist

MagicSean wrote: »

Thats bull****. There are plenty of organisations and laws there to protect women. Our domestic violence laws are pretty powerful. But at the end of the day you can't really help someone who won't be helped. If a victim of domestic abuse won't make a complaint or take out a protection order then what should be done?

won't be helped?

MaxSteele

This story is something you'd expect to see in one of the Saw films.

This f*cker is even worse than jigsaw himself. Hopefully a few lifers in the joy will be gladly waiting for him with a few aluminium bean can lids.

HeyThereDeliah

Leftist wrote: »

There should be licenced and trained torturers to destroy these people, imo.

what will that solve? we should not be condoning violence, it's never the answer.

Local-womanizer

Judges here love suspending sentences, I know it's probably to do with over crowding etc but in cases like this, where a foreign national commits serious assault they should be deported, simple as. If only we could deport some Irish scum as well.

We are too soft with foreign criminals.

MagicSean

Leftist wrote: »

won't be helped?

You can try make a joke of it if you wish. It just tells me you know sweet **** all about it. Many victims of domestic abuse will not accept help offered to them.

Yakult

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Judges here love suspending sentences, I know it's probably to do with over crowding etc but in cases like this, where a foreign national commits serious assault they should be deported, simple as. If only we could deport some Irish scum as well.

We are too soft with foreign criminals.

We are too soft with criminals full stop, not just foreign.

Local-womanizer

Yakult wrote: »

We are too soft with criminals full stop, not just foreign.

I agree. Didnt want to come across as racist with the foreign thing either, but surely it would be easy to deport a foreign criminal if convicted, it would be nice if we could deport our own too!

Myrddin

MagicSean wrote: »

He got the maximum sentence allowed by law. He had a portion of it suspended in mitigation but it can be reactivated if he does not comply with the conditions. Two and a half years for an assault is pretty long.

Yeah he got the max sentence that law allows, but that still doesn't make it right. Some laws are archaic here, & need to be looked at. Also, after reading the details, in particular the fractured eye socket, I'd say this warrants a charge far more serious that simply assault. It takes a fairly serious blow to the face/head to fracture an eye socket...this filthy scumbag should really have been charged with attempted murder, served every single day of it, & then deported out of the country by the scruff of the neck. At least the victim then might have some solace.

As for your two & a half years is pretty long comment, I somehow doubt you'd have that approach had it been your mother assaulted in a similar fashion.

Predalien

MagicSean wrote: »

He got the maximum sentence allowed by law. He had a portion of it suspended in mitigation but it can be reactivated if he does not comply with the conditions. Two and a half years for an assault is pretty long.

He broke her eye socket, burned her, threatened to kill and rape her, threatened to gouge her eye out with a butter knife, originally pleaded not guilty, saying she did it to herself, and will be released in 26 months... I'd love to know what mitigating factors halved his sentence.

As for you stating they refuse help, maybe they refuse it because they are scared the system won't protect them and the beating they get when the abuser is released from arrest might be the one that kills them.

Zulu

Leftist wrote: »

the state doesn't really care about assault on women.

Bull****! Don't be so trite making this into a gender thing, it's not. The state equally doesn't care about men. :rolleyes:

We see similar sentences when the victim is male.

biko

Norway is bringing in separate prisons for foreign criminals, with less comfort. But only, I think, in cases where they'll be deported after serving the sentence.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/09/18/foreign-convicts-face-separate-jails/

I suppose Gheorge Pasare will be back on the streets of Galway in a couple years.

Mousewar

Local-womanizer wrote: »

I agree. Didnt want to come across as racist with the foreign thing either, but surely it would be easy to deport a foreign criminal if convicted, it would be nice if we could deport our own too!

I'd prefer if these criminals paid their debt they owe to our society before being deported. However, I'm not sure how being housed in one of our prisons at the taxpayer's expense is really repaying us in any way.

HeyThereDeliah

Predalien wrote: »

He broke her eye socket, burned her, threatened to kill and rape her, threatened to gouge her eye out with a butter knife, originally pleaded not guilty, saying she did it to herself, and will be released in 26 months... I'd love to know what mitigating factors halved his sentence.

As for you stating they refuse help, maybe they refuse it because they are scared the system won't protect them and the beating they get when the abuser is released from arrest might be the one that kills them.

This was not the first time he beat her and we don't know if she has refused help before this, if the victim is not willing to make a statement she cannot be forced into it.
has he served a year all ready?

Tombo2001

The guy was done for
(i) Assault causing serious GBH
(ii) Emotional torture?

And he pleaded guilty to all offences (ok after initially denying it).

I think 2.5 years is fair enough for that. I've certainly heard worse.

And I have read the full article; and I do appreciate that if it happened to my mother my view might be different.

Certainly ...... its a major major major improvement on the situation that went in the 1980s, 1970s, 1960s and beyond when a woman could be beaten black and blue for decades and no one would raise an eyelid.

Myrddin

Mousewar wrote: »

I'd prefer if these criminals paid their debt they owe to our society before being deported. However, I'm not sure how being housed in one of our prisons at the taxpayer's expense is really repaying us in any way.

At the very least, it might give the victim some comfort knowing the attacker has been deprived of their rights & is imprisoned. When the sentence is up, straight to the airport & out the gates.

Local-womanizer

Mousewar wrote: »

I'd prefer if these criminals paid their debt they owe to our society before being deported. However, I'm not sure how being housed in one of our prisons at the taxpayer's expense is really repaying us in any way.

It's the course of justice I suppose, you commit a crime here and you will serve some time then be feck out to your own country. It would look pretty bad if you were convicted of a serious crime and just shown the door.

Also tombo2001, he didnt plead guilty straight away, he claimed her injuries were self inflicted.

MagicSean

EnterNow wrote: »

Yeah he got the max sentence that law allows, but that still doesn't make it right. Some laws are archaic here, & need to be looked at. Also, after reading the details, in particular the fractured eye socket, I'd say this warrants a charge far more serious that simply assault. It takes a fairly serious blow to the face/head to fracture an eye socket...this filthy scumbag should really have been charged with attempted murder, served every single day of it, & then deported out of the country by the scruff of the neck. At least the victim then might have some solace.

As for your two & a half years is pretty long comment, I somehow doubt you'd have that approach had it been your mother assaulted in a similar fashion.

He wasnt charged with just assault. He was charged with assault causing harm. Simple assault doesn't carry a five year sentence. And her injuries weren't bad, or more accurately more permanent, enough for the charge to be elevated any more. It's also quite impossible to deport an EU national.

And your reference to my mother? That's why punishments aren't decided by families.

Mousewar

EnterNow wrote: »

At the very least, it might give the victim some comfort knowing the attacker has been deprived of their rights & is imprisoned. When the sentence is up, straight to the airport & out the gates.

I assume that won't be happening though?

Odysseus

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Every time you read some judgement from these useless kunts in our judiciary, you always read something like this....



Why would the useless fúcker suspend part of the sentence on this animal? If you ask me, then only thing that should have been 'suspended' was the bástards life.

I don't know what was in the judges mind, but it seems to me that he took the guilty plea into consideration. You look at what he did and intially think so what; however, I think he has to take this into consideration. The most important aspect from my position would be the guilty plea meant the victim did not have to re-live the experience in open court, from a sentensing viewpoint this go in his favor.

I also think that by suspending the last 2 1/2 year it allowed the Judge to impose the restriction upon his relas, which will benefit the victim. From what I can make of it they would be the reasons for supending the last half of the sentense.

Now for me the dopmestic violence side of my work is one of the harder aspects on a personal level.

Wibbs

bluewolf wrote: »

Is there anything we can even do about it?
I mean seriously, not in a "who cares" way. Write to the DPP? What?

Maybe. They seemed to be open to looking at dubious sentences like the one handed out to the "upstanding businessman" convicted of sexual assault recently. I'd say it would be better to organise a large scale countrywide petition to the government to tackle it at that end. I'm quite sure such a petition would gather up many signatures

Myrddin

Tombo2001 wrote: »

and I do appreciate that if it happened to my mother my view might be different.

So basically your saying because you don't know the woman the sentence is fine, but if you did, you'd feel a harsher sentence would be warranted?

Just because the law says so, doesn't mean its valid. Ever hear the saying 'The Law Is An Ass'? A fractured eye socket should be allowed to hold up in court, where the victim is undergoing sustained abuse over a period of time, as a far higher charge. What is he did more damage than he had done? How did he know she wasn't going to get a bleed on the brain, or concussion? Did he carefully measure his force to only ensure the bone was fractured? Bollox, this could have, & does in other cases, end up much worse. The sentence should reflect as much.

air assault

why am i not surprised. this country is rotten to the core and the "justice" system shows it

Odysseus

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

This was not the first time he beat her and we don't know if she has refused help before this, if the victim is not willing to make a statement she cannot be forced into it.
has he served a year all ready?

Yes he was in custody for about a year prior to the court date, so he has a year and a half to serve, that is without remission; which I think is still a thrid off provided he behaves himself whilst locked up.

MagicSean

Predalien wrote: »

He broke her eye socket, burned her, threatened to kill and rape her, threatened to gouge her eye out with a butter knife, originally pleaded not guilty, saying she did it to herself, and will be released in 26 months... I'd love to know what mitigating factors halved his sentence.

As for you stating they refuse help, maybe they refuse it because they are scared the system won't protect them and the beating they get when the abuser is released from arrest might be the one that kills them.

No that's very rarely the reason, although sometimes it is. The reasons are often things you might consider to be silly but to the victim are scary. Fear of embarassment, fear of separating the family, doubting themselves. Very rarely is fear of further assault the reason a victim won't take help.

Tombo2001

EnterNow wrote: »

So basically your saying because you don't know the woman the sentence is fine, but if you did, you'd feel a harsher sentence would be warranted?

Just because the law says so, doesn't mean its valid. Ever hear the saying 'The Law Is An Ass'? A fractured eye socket should be allowed to hold up in court, where the victim is undergoing sustained abuse over a period of time, as a far higher charge. What is he did more damage than he had done? How did he know she wasn't going to get a bleed on the brain, or concussion? Did he carefully measure his force to only ensure the bone was fractured? Bollox, this could have, & does in other cases, end up much worse. The sentence should reflect as much.

No, I'm saying that if it was my own family member who was attacked I would be emotionally involved and would want the guy put in jail for the rest of his life. But thats not how the legal system works. It doesnt run on emotion.

I hope you can appreciate where I'm coming from, I'm not trying to be flippant about it.

I think the sentence is light but I dont think its outrageous in they way we've seen with some other recent cases.

What would you say is an appropriate sentence? 20 years? 30 years? 5 years? You tell me.