GTA V Pre-release Discussion - DO NOT POST SPOILERS (Mod warning in first post)

06-11-2012 02:40PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

If that is Rockstar's response then they're bang on. And if their employees and developers are bored with anything then it's probably with how needy a chunk of their fanbase are.

You say that Rockstar doesn't look after the every day person anymore. But who is the every day person? I like to think that I am and personally I'm rather happy that they're not feeding the hype machine every week like another studio would have been doing.

The game was always going to be released only when it was ready. As we get closer to that point we'll hear more and more about the game. Until then they should have been left to get on with it.

Oh, come on, they knew as much as we did that once they made any mention of V they were going to be hounded for information. It's the way it's been it IV, San Andreas, etc.

GTA has a massive fan base and among them are obviously going to be a few very hardcore fans of the game.

I just feel rockstar should (and could have easily been) a bit more respectable in their dealings with people.

I fully understand that one of the reasons the hype for the GTA series is so good is because they don't say anything, and only drop tidbits of information every now and again, but you can do that and still maintain a good company image at the same time.

After I do a family portrait session (Im a photographer) i don't tell them to shut up and the photos will be ready when they're ready. In the mean time they can 'deal with it'.

I explain that it takes a bit of time to edit the photographs and that there's a bit more work that needs doing to the images to make them presentable. I'll try to get them out as soon as I can , but only when I feel they're at a presentable level.

Just re-wording a few comments and Rockstar would be grand. Instead I find they come off as rude and arrogant at times.

py2006 · 06-11-2012 02:50PM

I think they made a huge mistake releasing the first trailer when they did. I'd say it damaged the sales of Max Payne because GTAV was at the back of peoples minds all this year with expectations of announcements and screens that never happened.

I'm worried for this game slightly. It will sell phenomenally and get great reviews etc. But from reading some forums the anticipation and expectation is sky high. Admittedly, it appears they are all kids/teens but they are expecting the greatest game ever. Which will only lead to dissapointment. After all, its the same console as GTA IV so graphically it won't look all that much better. In fact, if the map and level of detail is as vast as hinted, the graphics may suffer slightly on that.

I realise it is about the gameplay and not so much the graphics but I do remember being slightly dissapointed by the graphics once IV came out and felt the original trailer and screens made the game appear far sharper in that regard.

Clanket · 06-11-2012 03:16PM

I think some people need to stop taking things so seriously.

The game will be released when it's ready, not before. And who cares what R* say, as long as they produce the goods. If I worked there my head would be melted with certain fans continually hounding them.

Reminds me of the Simpsons:- "Are we there yet, are we there yet".

06-11-2012 03:21PM

py2006 wrote: »

I think they made a huge mistake releasing the first trailer when they did. I'd say it damaged the sales of Max Payne because GTAV was at the back of peoples minds all this year with expectations of announcements and screens that never happened.

I'm worried for this game slightly. It will sell phenomenally and get great reviews etc. But from reading some forums the anticipation and expectation is sky high. Admittedly, it appears they are all kids/teens but they are expecting the greatest game ever. Which will only lead to dissapointment. After all, its the same console as GTA IV so graphically it won't look all that much better. In fact, if the map and level of detail is as vast as hinted, the graphics may suffer slightly on that.

I realise it is about the gameplay and not so much the graphics but I do remember being slightly dissapointed by the graphics once IV came out and felt the original trailer and screens made the game appear far sharper in that regard.

I think IV had the same issues. People expected quite a lot, especially after San Andreas, and obviously IV could never match that.

Mind you, my biggest disappointment with IV was how busy it looked in the trailers, compared to the quiet and near-desserted streets we got in the actual game.

(I realise lots of traffic wouldn't exactly make car chases the most fun in the world, but IV seems to spawn the bare bones, especially considering its supposed to be NYC).

It'd be great if they could sort that out, and traffic actually played a part in the game (ie; if you have to do a time-limit mission, and the game time is 5.30pm, you know people will be finishing work, etc. so avoid certain routes as they'll be condensed with traffic, and instead opt for back roads and such).

Or maybe it'd be crap. Just an idea.

Mensch Maschine · 06-11-2012 03:25PM

jmx009 wrote: »

I dont know man. All these rumours about being able to play more than one character in a gta game is kind of of putting ( atleast for me anyway).

I would rather play as a single character rather than multiple ones. It makes it more personal. Though i liked what they did
at the end o Red dead redemption
That was a " WOW " moment for me. It was very realistic too.

I know how you feel bro. I'm trying to keep positive about it. People were complaining about playing as the middleaged gent. I actually like him. But also playing as the guy with on the quad can be fun too as he looks and seems pretty badass

Penn · 06-11-2012 03:27PM

Mensch Maschine wrote: »

A reliable source (so far) told me on a GTA website I'm a member of for a long time (8 years) in a private section of the forum that the we are going to play as 3 protags.

White guy from Trailer. (Ned Luke)
- Guy in red car
- Quad bike character

I'd say if anything, two of those might be future DLC protagonists like Johnny and Luis. I'm not sure if I'd like three separate protagonists in the same game. I just don't think it could work for a game like this.

Unless they're separate stories (by which I mean, you choose which one of those you want to play as, and each has their own story (intertwined with the others occasionally), but you don't switch between the characters. Each one is a separate save file)

That could actually be interesting

Mensch Maschine · 06-11-2012 03:35PM

Penn wrote: »

I'd say if anything, two of those might be future DLC protagonists like Johnny and Luis. I'm not sure if I'd like three separate protagonists in the same game. I just don't think it could work for a game like this.

Unless they're separate stories (by which I mean, you choose which one of those you want to play as, and each has their own story (intertwined with the others occasionally), but you don't switch between the characters. Each one is a separate save file)

That could actually be interesting

That would be interesting. I do like the idea of playing with a single protag but I do trust Rockstar to pull it off, if it's true.

My source tells me the GameInformer issue will go in to detail about some of the features about "depths of of the ocean" Rockstar mentioned in their statement.

JohnMarston · 06-11-2012 03:36PM

What i would fear is getting deeply invested in the character you play from the start of the game, only for the game to switch gears and give you another guy to control, all the while you're left hanging.

Thats never happened in a GTA game. Other characters in future DLC would be interesting. Do you think R* would consider a female protagonist in the DLC?

Penn · 06-11-2012 03:41PM

Mensch Maschine wrote: »

That would be interesting. I do like the idea of playing with a single protag but I do trust Rockstar to pull it off, if it's true.

My source tells me the GameInformer issue will go in to detail about some of the features about "depths of of the ocean" Rockstar mentioned in their statement.

*shudders at memories of trying to collect oysters in San Andreas*

JohnMarston wrote: »

What i would fear is getting deeply invested in the character you play from the start of the game, only for the game to switch gears and give you another guy to control, all the while you're left hanging.

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't like changing character during the story. Separate stories with separate characters would be fine, but being one character and then being forced to be another with no option to go back might suck.

JohnMarston wrote: »

Do you think R* would consider a female protagonist in the DLC?

I think they would, but probably just won't bother. I'd have no problem playing as a female so long as she could still beat people up

Mensch Maschine · 06-11-2012 04:21PM

JohnMarston wrote: »

What i would fear is getting deeply invested in the character you play from the start of the game, only for the game to switch gears and give you another guy to control, all the while you're left hanging.

That's my fear too.

gnfnrhead · 06-11-2012 04:37PM

JohnMarston wrote: »

What i would fear is getting deeply invested in the character you play from the start of the game, only for the game to switch gears and give you another guy to control, all the while you're left hanging.

They did that with LA Noire. Give you the one guy for the majority then swap near the end. You still got to play as the original guy, but it was mostly the new guy from there on.

A better option would be giving us a choice of character at the start and each person have a different path they take. All of them could end up at the same final mission, just having gone very different routes to get there. A few forks along the road for each character and you have massive replay value as (let's say with four characters) you have at least eight different paths and that's with each guy only making one decision. The more decisions, the more paths, the more times you can replay etc. Can't see that happening for GTA V but hopefully they consider it for GTA VI which will be the next generation of consoles.

stevenmu · 06-11-2012 04:49PM

I can imagine multiple protagonists working very well.

If you think back to how GTA3 worked, there was just one protagonist, but you had multiple concurrent story lines where you had a number of different bosses giving you jobs and each had his/her own story line. You could play one start to end then go onto another, or keep jumping between them as you wanted. Then when you'd completed all of them, they merged into one story line.

You could come at that concept slightly differently, have three different characters, each with their own story lines, possibly working for the one boss/organisation. Then at the end of their individual story lines they merge, for e.g. they might decide to come together to overthrow their shared boss and run the organisation for themselves. Then you'd be doing missions for your own organisation and choosing which protagonist to use to do it.

wnolan1992 · 06-11-2012 04:58PM

Clanket wrote: »

I think some people need to stop taking things so seriously.

The game will be released when it's ready, not before. And who cares what R* say, as long as they produce the goods. If I worked there my head would be melted with certain fans continually hounding them.

Reminds me of the Simpsons:- "Are we there yet, are we there yet".

+1.

People seriously need to calm down a bit. GTA is a fantastic series, but for Christ sake don't act like it's the only game coming out in the foreseeable future.

Sure, get hyped up and wanting more info, but don't hound the devs if it isn't coming as fast as you'd like. Their #1 priority is finishing the game, and IMO whether that takes another 4 months or another year it'll be worth the wait.

That said, I think people are getting way too excited at the prospect of V, and I'd fear that it'll be another IV with people's unachievable expectations not met.

JohnMarston wrote: »

What i would fear is getting deeply invested in the character you play from the start of the game, only for the game to switch gears and give you another guy to control, all the while you're left hanging.

Thats never happened in a GTA game. Other characters in future DLC would be interesting. Do you think R* would consider a female protagonist in the DLC?

Totally agree. Mid-game character switches are a bitch to get right IMO. LA Noire got it fairly spot on, but RDR's was terrible.

RDR

I hated Jack with a passion. Basically, as soon as John got killed and the character switched, I lost interest in playing completely. Have yet to do the mission where you kill the FBI guy.

I'd love if they did the same as they did in IV though, with DLC packages featuring new characters. Would love a female protagonist for a change, but I can't see it happening if I'm honest.

CMpunked · 06-11-2012 05:02PM

One word Rockstar have used a lot to describe Five is Ambitious so I'd expect they are going to do a few things that they have either never done before or not done much of but will be a big deal for this game.

One of those things could be multiple protagonists.
Maybe it would work the same as the dlcs for IV in the sense that three stories one after another all intertwined at certain points and its played from each perspective.

I don't like the idea of pressing back being how you switch character, what would happen with specific missions? You can't just have johnny fingers turn up and all the others in the mission be expecting led kelly.

J. Marston · 06-11-2012 05:07PM

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Totally agree. Mid-game character switches are a bitch to get right IMO. LA Noire got it fairly spot on, but RDR's was terrible.

RDR
I hated Jack with a passion. Basically, as soon as John got killed and the character switched, I lost interest in playing completely. Have yet to do the mission where you kill the FBI guy.

I'd love if they did the same as they did in IV though, with DLC packages featuring new characters. Would love a female protagonist for a change, but I can't see it happening if I'm honest.

Jack wasn't a mid-game character swtich. He was right at the end and I think you only did one mission with him. I thought it was done well, killing the FBI agent with Jack had a real sense of revenge to it.

Anyway, a female protagonist for future GTA games would be strange but a cool direction to take.

wnolan1992 · 06-11-2012 05:10PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Jack wasn't a mid-game character swtich. He was right at the end and I think you only did one mission with him. I thought it was done well, killing the FBI agent with Jack had a real sense of revenge to it.

Anyway, a female protagonist for future GTA games would be strange but a cool direction to take.

Ok, not a mid-game switch, but the same principle. I lost interest in the game after the switch, got bored of the free-roam even. Just something about Jack that irritated me after the awesomeness of John.

06-11-2012 06:01PM

Regarding multiple protagonists (and I think I may have said this already) my opinion on it is that, judging by the trailer and the "I wanted to get away from that way of life and be a normal guy, be a dad like all the other dads, but, you know how it goes", our lead character is an established ganster of sorts, who moves away to get away from everything.

Unfortunately, he has money troubles and puts a crew together to start working his way up again. I reckon his crew will consist of two or three other people, each of whom will have strengths and weaknesses.

The main guy will be who we use for 80% of the stuff, but for other missions he'll send one of the others out and we can pick which one we want to use.

There's an XMen/Marvel game where you put together a team of 4 and wander around bustin' heads. Each character has a different upside. For example, if you pick the Incredible Hulk or Juggernaut, you can smash through walls to create shortcuts and the likes (can't remember the name of the game). I reckon V will have something somewhat similar to that kind of thing going on in it.

It's the only workable way that I can see of doing things, if I'm honest. Lets you use multiple people but keeps the lead protag close by.

Also, i havent finished Red Dead or LA Noire, but if the lead character dies in both those games, then I doubt they'd pull the same stunt in GTA V. It'd be too obvious at this stage, I'd say.

wnolan1992 · 06-11-2012 06:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Regarding multiple protagonists (and I think I may have said this already) my opinion on it is that, judging by the trailer and the "I wanted to get away from that way of life and be a normal guy, be a dad like all the other dads, but, you know how it goes", our lead character is an established ganster of sorts, who moves away to get away from everything.

Unfortunately, he has money troubles and puts a crew together to start working his way up again. I reckon his crew will consist of two or three other people, each of whom will have strengths and weaknesses.

The main guy will be who we use for 80% of the stuff, but for other missions he'll send one of the others out and we can pick which one we want to use.

There's an XMen/Marvel game where you put together a team of 4 and wander around bustin' heads. Each character has a different upside. For example, if you pick the Incredible Hulk or Juggernaut, you can smash through walls to create shortcuts and the likes (can't remember the name of the game). I reckon V will have something somewhat similar to that kind of thing going on in it.

It's the only workable way that I can see of doing things, if I'm honest. Lets you use multiple people but keeps the lead protag close by.
Also, i havent finished Red Dead or LA Noire, but if the lead character dies in both those games, then I doubt they'd pull the same stunt in GTA V. It'd be too obvious at this stage, I'd say.

LA Noire

The "main" protagonist actually doesn't die before the character switch, which I found interesting. You switch for the last three or so chapters of the game.

06-11-2012 07:28PM

Current debate on GTAForums is whether this is real or not;

One side say it's not the same style as the official characters. A guy who apparently knows a thing or two about art reckons that Rockstar use hard brush strokes and stick to the single same style for all of their stuff and this has a different (soft brush) style to it. Also claims the hands are out of proportion and it's too amateur looking to be a Rockstar one.

Other side says who'd be bothered to make it and fake it like that if the magazine is only two days away anyway.

Personally, I think it's fake, based on how close the GTA logo is to him, it looks like a single-page picture, which would also mean you wouldn't get the whole VINEWOOD sign in the background (and rockstar generally try to include whole items if i recall correctly).

mikom · 06-11-2012 07:32PM

Well going on that illustration KKV then I should let you known that I heard Heisenberg (Walt) from breaking bad is in GTA 5 as well............

Glico Man · 06-11-2012 07:35PM

Seems legit

06-11-2012 07:43PM

mikom wrote: »

Well going on that illustration KKV then I should let you known that I heard Heisenberg (Walt) from breaking bad is in GTA 5 as well............

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally, I think it's fake

:rolleyes:

py2006 · 06-11-2012 08:13PM

Do you think there will be a third trailer before release? I'm trying to think of how many trailers before IV came out? I think it was just 2.

Kerplunk124 · 06-11-2012 08:15PM

His hands do seems off now that you mention it

jd007 · 06-11-2012 08:31PM

py2006 wrote: »

Do you think there will be a third trailer before release? I'm trying to think of how many trailers before IV came out? I think it was just 2.

4 according to this

Washington Irving · 06-11-2012 08:53PM

py2006 wrote: »

Do you think there will be a third trailer before release? I'm trying to think of how many trailers before IV came out? I think it was just 2.

Could be three, with the third coming within a week of the release date, not that they'd need any extra hype at that stage

06-11-2012 10:57PM

Had a tweet from Rockstar to say they'll announce the time for the next trailer before next Wednesday. Would like to know now, but suppose we'll have to wait.

marcbrophy · 06-11-2012 11:07PM

Last year, they released the first trailer at 4pm IE time, so it should be around the same time this year!

JohnMarston · 06-11-2012 11:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Had a tweet from Rockstar to say they'll announce the time for the next trailer before next Wednesday. Would like to know now, but suppose we'll have to wait.

We're getting good at waiting

gnfnrhead · 07-11-2012 12:33AM

Seen this elsewhere:

The back of the pre-order card says between March 31 and April 6, but subject to change.

Guess work, or is their something to it?

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