Sean Quinn Jailed

WhatNowForUs? · 04-11-2012 10:21AM

Curly Judge wrote: »

How would that come about?
You can't be tried twice for the one crime,surely?
Anglo would have to institute a whole new set of charges against him and a lot can happen in the meantime.
A threat is only a threat when it is hanging over you.
They have fired their best shot and the Quinns have absorbed it.
Interesting times ahead!

Its an ongoing crime

Bullseye1 · 04-11-2012 10:39AM

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

This is great. Sean Quinn is one of the little people now.

In fairness when will we see the former directors of Anglo go to jail? Or the bank regulator or the politicians who made the decision to nationalise that bank go to jail. Ultimately we the public would not be concerned with Quinns debts if Anglo had been let fail as a private institution.

Curly Judge · 04-11-2012 11:05AM

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

Its an ongoing crime

That's a concept in law with which, I have to admit, I am not familiar.

Father Damo · 04-11-2012 11:07AM

mfceiling wrote: »

What if he takes up residence in Fermanagh and decides to never set foot in the republic ever again?

Most GAA men from the border region are pretty hardcore republicans but he would probably be more Ulster Says No Home Rule is Rome Rule than Ian Paisley if tiocfaidh ar la ever does come :pac:

04-11-2012 11:14AM

I'm no friend of Sean Quinn but.......
I'm not a knuckle-scraper from Cavan.....
You have to look at the bigger picture......
There are other people far more culpable...
He promised to pay back.....

Here's the deal.
This country's record on putting White-collar - not to mention Dog-collar - criminals behind bars is pathetic.
The contention that no one should be jailed until everyone is jailed is equally pathetic.

Are there many others out there (politicians, bankers, etc.) who should be imprisoned for their corruption, neglect and malfeasance?
A big fat yes.

But for the moment, Sean Quinn has checked-in to the 'Phibsboro Hilton', and that's a start.

To paraphrase an election slogan from another gang of scheisters:

"ONE DONE, MORE TO DO"

Father Damo · 04-11-2012 11:15AM

Curly Judge wrote: »

How would that come about?
You can't be tried twice for the one crime,surely?
Anglo would have to institute a whole new set of charges against him and a lot can happen in the meantime.
A threat is only a threat when it is hanging over you.
They have fired their best shot and the Quinns have absorbed it.
Interesting times ahead!

That is a good point actually.

He has been jailed for contempt of court. In my mind, contempt of court usually involved someone being locked up for a few days or weeks for making a scene in court with abusive/ loudmouthed language.

I have no idea about this, but lets say someone is charged with murder. At their commital they do nothing but shout, roar and abuse the judge. They are remanded and jailed for contempt.

Lets say, when the trial comes around in 9 months, and it is a bang to rights trial, the murder itself was caught on CCTV. The defendant, knowing he is going down anyway, pleads not guilty to piss them off, and shouts over any prosecutor trying to present evidence to the jury. What happens in those circumstaces? Does the judge have a power to dismiss the jury and jail him for life for blatantly attempting to disrupt his own prosecution? Or does his contention that he is not guilty have to be respected,even if he is on camera committing the offence? The Guantanamo Bay inmates have largely used their court appearances thus far to do similar- they know they are going down for a life/ death sentence so not guilty pleas are entered on their behalf.

billybudd · 04-11-2012 11:29AM

9959 wrote: »

I'm no friend of Sean Quinn but.......
I'm not a knuckle-scraper from Cavan.....
You have to look at the bigger picture......
There are other people far more culpable...
He promised to pay back.....

Here's the deal.
This country's record on putting White-collar - not to mention Dog-collar - criminals behind bars is pathetic.
The contention that no one should be jailed until everyone is jailed is equally pathetic.

Are there many others out there (politicians, bankers, etc.) who should be imprisoned for their corruption, neglect and malfeasance?
A big fat yes.

But for the moment, Sean Quinn has checked-in to the 'Phibsboro Hilton', and that's a start.

To paraphrase an election slogan from another gang of scheisters:

"ONE DONE, MORE TO DO"

The danger being that a few scapegoats will cure the negative profile of the powerful, meanwhile people who caused this are still making decisions on behalf of the public while being paid very well and facing no accountability.

meanwhile ex TD'S are becoming cash rich through pensions while being in charge of the country during a time of false prosperity and brutal and idiotic decisions.

Bankers being fraudulent.

regulators being corrupt and reckless.

high ranking civil servants being corrupt.

It should not take years to find the truth and hold those responsible, it is 4 years since this reccession and all they have at the moment is Sean quinn in jail for non compliance.

I doubt we will see mass retributiuon of those who where involved in the downfall of this country because regardless of party political loyalty, the political elite and all those they govern are self interested and self protecting.

MagicSean · 04-11-2012 11:40AM

Curly Judge wrote: »

That's a concept in law with which, I have to admit, I am not familiar.

That's obvious by your continued reference to them firing their best shot. Unless he complies with the order or somehow gets it retracted they will keep shooting.

04-11-2012 01:21PM

billybudd wrote: »

The danger being that a few scapegoats will cure the negative profile of the powerful, meanwhile people who caused this are still making decisions on behalf of the public while being paid very well and facing no accountability.

meanwhile ex TD'S are becoming cash rich through pensions while being in charge of the country during a time of false prosperity and brutal and idiotic decisions.

Bankers being fraudulent.

regulators being corrupt and reckless.

high ranking civil servants being corrupt.

It should not take years to find the truth and hold those responsible, it is 4 years since this reccession and all they have at the moment is Sean quinn in jail for non compliance.

I doubt we will see mass retributiuon of those who where involved in the downfall of this country because regardless of party political loyalty, the political elite and all those they govern are self interested and self protecting.

Good post.
I don't believe that the assertions in my post are incompatible with the above, save for your opening line in which you give the impression that you believe Sean Quinn to be a 'scapegoat', if so I disagree.

History tells us that the term 'mass retribution' should be viewed with a degree of apprehension, if not serious foreboding.

Let's hope that Sean Quinn wll soon be accompanied by other 'former respectable' empire builders, property developers, bankers, see-no-evil regulators and venal politicians.
On this I think we can all agree.

SafeSurfer · 04-11-2012 01:33PM

So the minister for finance, Michael Noonan has signed off on allowing IBRC to engage a shady Russian financial bounty hunter firm A1, part of the Alfa Group, to recover Quinn assets.

The Head of this group German Khan has described The Godfather film as "a manual for life". This state will award these thugs up to €130 million. What we we get for this? A few horses heads in beds in Cavan?

Who will oversee that we get value for money?

Will the C&AG investigate the awarding of this contract?

Have a firm hired by our government links to serious organised crime?

Bradidup · 04-11-2012 01:35PM

I think that it is a disgrace that a man of his age be sent to a prison that is full of young thugs and drug dealers. This country has really gone to the dogs.

K-9 · 04-11-2012 01:43PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So the minister for finance, Michael Noonan has signed off on allowing IBRC to engage a shady Russian financial bounty hunter firm A1, part of the Alfa Group, to recover Quinn assets.

The Head of this group German Khan has described The Godfather film as "a manual for life". This state will award these thugs up to €130 million. What we we get for this? A few horses heads in beds in Cavan?

Who will oversee that we get value for money?

Will the C&AG investigate the awarding of this contract?

Have a firm hired by our government links to serious organised crime?

That's class if true, Quinn has dodgy "friends" in Ukraine so the Government hires a dodgy group. We'll get a film out of this yet.

Oafley Jones · 04-11-2012 01:47PM

It's threads like this - and the idiots on liveline - that remind me how ****ing stupid a large proportion of the population is; and despite all that's occurred over the recent years, how they've learned absolutely **** all. The cognitive dissonance, the logical gymnastics, whataboutery and generally fantastical narratives that some utter to justify the inexcusable ****e that went goes on is simply astounding to me.

billybudd · 04-11-2012 02:16PM

9959 wrote: »

Good post.
I don't believe that the assertions in my post are incompatible with the above, save for your opening line in which you give the impression that you believe Sean Quinn to be a 'scapegoat', if so I disagree.

History tells us that the term 'mass retribution' should be viewed with a degree of apprehension, if not serious foreboding.

Let's hope that Sean Quinn wll soon be accompanied by other 'former respectable' empire builders, property developers, bankers, see-no-evil regulators and venal politicians.
On this I think we can all agree.

I dont think Sean Quinn is the scapegoat and i think he should be punished if found guilty by the law, i just think he could have went north to escape all this and also he seems to be fighting it tooth and nail which gives pause for thought.

Mass retributuion does not mean soley violence, a good stretch inside is what i meant.

Lets hope whoever is giulty pays the price, but sadly i doubt it.

billybudd · 04-11-2012 02:19PM

Bradidup wrote: »

I think that it is a disgrace that a man of his age be sent to a prison that is full of young thugs and drug dealers. This country has really gone to the dogs.

He could have complied, he was warned again and again and even given time to get his affairs in order.

azul · 04-11-2012 02:33PM

Sean Quinn should be made break stones in prison as that's the one thing he's actually able to do properly, he's made a complete mess of everything else.

azul · 04-11-2012 02:37PM

Bradidup wrote: »

I think that it is a disgrace that a man of his age be sent to a prison that is full of young thugs and drug dealers. This country has really gone to the dogs.

So if you're a senior citizen and commit a crime you shouldn't go to prison? I can't wait till I retire.

GoodisonPark · 04-11-2012 03:13PM

Am I missing something here?
He was asking to be released for a christening before he went to jail - would'nt it be much easier to put the christening back 2 weeks then he could certainly go?

LLU · 04-11-2012 03:37PM

Bradidup wrote: »

I think that it is a disgrace that a man of his age be sent to a prison that is full of young thugs and drug dealers. This country has really gone to the dogs.

So basically a man 'of his age' should be allowed to break the law without any consequence then?

Grayson · 04-11-2012 03:58PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So the minister for finance, Michael Noonan has signed off on allowing IBRC to engage a shady Russian financial bounty hunter firm A1, part of the Alfa Group, to recover Quinn assets.

The Head of this group German Khan has described The Godfather film as "a manual for life". This state will award these thugs up to €130 million. What we we get for this? A few horses heads in beds in Cavan?

Who will oversee that we get value for money?

Will the C&AG investigate the awarding of this contract?

Have a firm hired by our government links to serious organised crime?

There's a lot of questions there.

I want to know if it's acceptable to make statements, that contain accusations but no facts, if you put a qurstion mark at the end?

rolliepoley · 04-11-2012 03:59PM

All hail the king of Quinn......
The man who makes a mock of the people of cavan and leads them like a pied piper.

My arse.:pac:

Park Royal · 04-11-2012 03:59PM

Anybody know if there were many local councilors were selling cement for Sean Quinn?

down through the years.....

nothing wrong there for sure....very nicely positioned to see whats being

considered who the main actors are and cold call ....looking for planning

permission for that development ...well would you believe it , " I can also help

you with some lovely Sean Quinn cement"...

I know of at least one in Sligo but are there more around the country?...

Curly Judge · 04-11-2012 05:19PM

MagicSean wrote: »

That's obvious by your continued reference to them firing their best shot. Unless he complies with the order or somehow gets it retracted they will keep shooting.

Then why didn't the Judge put both of them in jail indefinatly until their contempt was purged?
Why the 3 months and the 9 weeks?
I think it will be very difficult for the judge, both legally and politically to send them back to jail.

TheUsual · 04-11-2012 06:04PM

Let's not overblow any of the Quinn family going to prison as a kind of celebration or public glee.
He is not some Godfather type evil figure who brought down the Celtic Tiger single-handedly.

He is currently in jail now by his own hand, he was asked to stop moving funds and equipment that he does not own anymore. He refused and is now in prison - all his own doing.
I think the Courts are sending out a message to anyone else they are investigating that they will treat people as equals in a Court, do as you are ordered or suffer the penalties.

R P McMurphy · 04-11-2012 06:20PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

What are you on about? By using CFDs Quinn was able to bypass Stock Exchange disclosure requirements that all shareholdings over 3pc be revealed to the market. Quinn wasn't trying to trust the banks and politicians to do their jobs properly, he was trying to bypass them covertly with CFDs to try and maximise his profit but his massive gamble completely flopped. Anglo at the time didn't realise the massive stake Quinn had built up in the bank.

Your god awful purple prose doesn't change the fact that he is in jail for breaking the law. Go and sing 'Abide with me' all you want, it's not going to change the fact that because of his reckless gambling everyone in this state taking out a car or home insurance policy has to pay an extra 2% levy for at least the next 25 years. His criminal actions have directly affected everyone in this state.

There is another issue to be addressed in this and that is that someone broke confidentiality laws and let it be known that Quinn had amassed cdfs of that order. This is what started the short selling. I wonder is anyone being investigated for this and they played a pivotal role in this whole disaster. Surely it should be possible to trace back

SafeSurfer · 04-11-2012 06:23PM

Grayson wrote: »

There's a lot of questions there.

I want to know if it's acceptable to make statements, that contain accusations but no facts, if you put a qurstion mark at the end?

My questions were rhetorical, because we all know the answers.

The most shocking development IMHO in all this sordid tale is that the Irish government has contracted Russian oligarchs with links to organised crime to "recover" assets for which they will be rewarded with up to €135 million euro, more than 30% of what those assets are worth.

That this lucrative contract was not put to tender is not surprising. What is shocking is that the Irish government is involving itself with such sordid business partners. I don't hold out much hope of any of the recovered assets ever being handed over to IBRC.

Don't expect our esteemed fourth estate to investigate what methods are deployed in the name of the Irish people to recover these assets.

Its easier to provide copy from the pubs and restaurants adjoining the Four Courts than cover stories of bullet riddled cars, torture and disappearances on the back streets of Moscow and Kiev.

A cursory glance at BP's experience of these firms should be warning enough.

Grayson · 04-11-2012 06:27PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

My questions were rhetorical, because we all know the answers.

The most shocking development IMHO in all this sordid tale is that the Irish government has contracted Russian oligarchs with links to organised crime to "recover" assets for which they will be rewarded with up to €135 million euro, more than 30% of what those assets are worth.

That this lucrative contract was not put to tender is not surprising. What is shocking is that the Irish government is involving itself with such sordid business partners. I don't hold out much hope of any of the recovered assets ever being handed over to IBRC.

Don't expect our esteemed fourth estate to investigate what methods are deployed in the name of the Irish people to recover these assets.

Its easier to provide copy from the pubs and restaurants adjoining the Four Courts than cover stories of bullet riddled cars, torture and disappearances on the back streets of Moscow and Kiev.

A cursory glance at BP's experience of these firms should be warning enough.

Do you have any links for any of that? Not that i'm saying you made it up. I just mean it's the first time i heard about it.

SafeSurfer · 04-11-2012 06:39PM

Grayson wrote: »

Do you have any links for any of that? Not that i'm saying you made it up. I just mean it's the first time i heard about it.

The firm contracted by the Irish government is called A1, part of massive investment conglomerate called Alfa group controlled by 3 of Russia's wealthiest oligarchs. To say they have a "colourful" past is putting it mildly, even in the context of Russian business practices. A google of Alfa group mafia links, including drugs shipments and mass poisonings makes for interesting reading.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/russian-giant-goes-after-quinns-assets-3281797.html

steve9859 · 04-11-2012 08:00PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The firm contracted by the Irish government is called A1, part of massive investment conglomerate called Alfa group controlled by 3 of Russia's wealthiest oligarchs. To say they have a "colourful" past is putting it mildly, even in the context of Russian business practices. A google of Alfa group mafia links, including drugs shipments and mass poisonings makes for interesting reading.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/russian-giant-goes-after-quinns-assets-3281797.html

The Quinns are playing dirty. It's time IBRC did as well, on behalf of all the rest of us

SafeSurfer · 04-11-2012 08:59PM

steve9859 wrote: »

The Quinns are playing dirty. It's time IBRC did as well, on behalf of all the rest of us

Sure they might employ the viper to evict families from their homes when they're at it.

Sean Quinn Jailed

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