2013 NFL DRAFT

Paully D · 02-11-2012 11:53PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Not a fan of that mock draft tbh.

I haven't really found one that I like so far, but it's interesting to see what positions other people rank players etc.

davyjose · 03-11-2012 02:52AM

No way in a billion years Manti Te'o falls that far. He's a born leader on D. He's a Ray Lewis and the best defensive player in college. Indy will snap him up if he's there IMO.

As for someone getting Barkley at 12. Good luck with that. Terrible mock draft.

GoldFour4 · 03-11-2012 10:36AM

Geno Smith isn't going no.1 . I can't see why someone would take him over Barkley. Barkley outside the top 10 is just dumb.

SantryRed · 03-11-2012 11:13AM

Can someone tell me what actually makes him a draft analyst? Does he even have a job doing it?

UCD AFC · 03-11-2012 12:26PM

malistheman wrote: »

Geno Smith isn't going no.1 . I can't see why someone would take him over Barkley. Barkley outside the top 10 is just dumb.

For what it's worth I follow a lot of these scouting type journalists on twitter who all agree Barkley is not an elite prospect, and will eventually be over drafted. I'll post up a link or two later on

Paully D · 03-11-2012 12:28PM

Out of interest, who would everyone choose top 10 if the draft was right now, using the current placings, so your 1-10 order is (based on the above mock draft):

1) Chiefs
2) Panthers
3) Jaguars
4) Browns
5) Saints
6) Rams
7) Rams
8) Titans
9) Jets
10) Bengals

Paully D · 03-11-2012 12:33PM

UCD AFC wrote: »

For what it's worth I follow a lot of these scouting type journalists on twitter who all agree Barkley is not an elite prospect, and will eventually be over drafted. I'll post up a link or two later on

https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout

Matt Miller is pretty good IMO. Always enjoy reading his stuff, and he got put on Madden 13 as one of their virtual analysts too, said this the other day:

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
Fellow draft writers: Can we please spread the word that Matt Barkley isn't an elite prospect? Someone has lied to the general public.

Very good chance Geno Smith is default No. 1 player, despite struggles here and there. 2013 isn't an elite class.

Stev_o · 03-11-2012 05:48PM

It's more of a project class. A lot of big sized players like Glennon, Manuel Thomas*(if he comes out which would be a mistake).

SantryRed · 03-11-2012 05:54PM

When I asked him about Te'o going in the 20s, he mentioned Burfict and that anything is possible. I don't see how at this present moment, Te'o isn't a top 20 pick :pac:

Stev_o · 03-11-2012 06:05PM

SantryRed wrote: »

When I asked him about Te'o going in the 20s, he mentioned Burfict and that anything is possible. I don't see how at this present moment, Te'o isn't a top 20 pick :pac:

That screams like this guy knows **** all where do you begin with a comment like that. Does he not remember where Luke Keuchly went? 9th overall! Te'o is going in the top 10.

SixtyTwo · 03-11-2012 06:16PM

Stev_o wrote: »

That screams like this guy knows **** all where do you begin with a comment like that. Does he not remember where Luke Keuchly went? 9th overall! Te'o is going in the top 10.

In my eyes Te'o wont slip out of the Top 15 but to be fair to the guy there is many pundits and analysts and even coaches that don't believe Te'o is the best inside LB in College football right now and some reckon he could slip. But there is more than 1 NFL team that will bite on him earlier because of what he has done this year alone.

HigginsJ · 03-11-2012 06:31PM

Paully D wrote: »

Out of interest, who would everyone choose top 10 if the draft was right now, using the current placings, so your 1-10 order is (based on the above mock draft):

1) Chiefs
2) Panthers
3) Jaguars
4) Browns
5) Saints
6) Rams
7) Rams
8) Titans
9) Jets
10) Bengals

1. Geno Smith/Matt Barkley (too close to call at present between them)
2. Star Lotuleiei (idealy trade down wit team desperate for smith/barkley)
3. Matt Barkley/Geno Smith (if gm stays then jarvis jones)
4. Jarvis Jones
5. Sam Montgomery
6. Luke Joeckel
7. Keenan Allen (injury permitting, probable trade down in scenario of 2 top 10 picks)
8. Bjoern Werner
9. Barkevious Mingo
10. Manti Te'o

Justin10 · 03-11-2012 06:43PM

Wish Jamarcus was here because ive watched a lot of USC this year and clearly Barkley is a top QB in college football but I dont know why but he reminds me of Mark Sanchez.

I watched a couple of Stanfords games last year because of the hype of Luck and was very impressed. Barkley just doesn't do it for me.

Robert Woods too, much more impressed with Lee.

Anyone agree with me or am I completely crazy?

Paully D · 03-11-2012 07:03PM

I've seen a few draft writers have both Smith and Wilson ahead of Barkley in their mocks Rochey, so it's not just you.

Where is JaMarcus actually?

SixtyTwo · 03-11-2012 07:30PM

The problems with Barkley this year have made him drop in most scouts minds and analysts minds is inconsistencies and poor decisions. The failings of USC are not completely his fault though. A Beat up Oline and inconsistencies all over the place especially on their offense.

But what has made Barkley slip down the ranking is every Int he threw this year was his fault. For some reason he is hesitating on throws this year and he has also been giving up where he is throwing the ball by leading the WR with his eyes. He has made it easy for DBs to pick him off or bat the ball down.

Its weird though he is a fantastic QB and he will make a good QB in the NFL. Whatever QB coach he works with in the off season will snap the crap out of him and get him back to what he was last season and even at times this season.

For me when the team struggled in their losses and gave up on their designed plays it seemed to have a bad ripple affect on Barkley also.

Look at it this way though by not going first and dropping he has a better chance of finding a better team to work with and fix him.

davyjose · 03-11-2012 07:31PM

SixtyTwo wrote: »

In my eyes Te'o wont slip out of the Top 15 but to be fair to the guy there is many pundits and analysts and even coaches that don't believe Te'o is the best inside LB in College football right now and some reckon he could slip. But there is more than 1 NFL team that will bite on him earlier because of what he has done this year alone.

Interesting. Who've they got ahead of him?

That guy has 15 Defensive guys ahead of Te'o in that mock draft. Not one ILB though. I personally think Te'o has all the attributes to be a dominant LB in the NFL. He's top of my wishlist.

davyjose · 03-11-2012 07:34PM

SixtyTwo wrote: »

The problems with Barkley this year have made him drop in most scouts minds and analysts minds is inconsistencies and poor decisions. The failings of USC are not completely his fault though. A Beat up Oline and inconsistencies all over the place especially on their offense.

But what has made Barkley slip down the ranking is every Int he threw this year was his fault. For some reason he is hesitating on throws this year and he has also been giving up where he is throwing the ball by leading the WR with his eyes. He has made it easy for DBs to pick him off or bat the ball down.

Its weird though he is a fantastic QB and he will make a good QB in the NFL. Whatever QB coach he works with in the off season will snap the crap out of him and get him back to what he was last season and even at times this season.

For me when the team struggled in their losses and gave up on their designed plays it seemed to have a bad ripple affect on Barkley also.

Look at it this way though by not going first and dropping he has a better chance of finding a better team to work with and fix him.

I think he's trying to hit a home run, instead of moving the chains at times too. Going for the big plays are fine, but they're high-risk/high-reward and in college ball mistakes get heavily scrutinised. He's absolutely an elite QB though. for that "expert" to suggest otherwise is naive and reactionary.

Can't wait for tonights game BTW. GO DUCKS!!!!

SixtyTwo · 03-11-2012 07:59PM

davyjose wrote: »

Interesting. Who've they got ahead of him?

That guy has 15 Defensive guys ahead of Te'o in that mock draft. Not one ILB though. I personally think Te'o has all the attributes to be a dominant LB in the NFL. He's top of my wishlist.

Was watching a college preview show and they were saying it. Didn't catch who they were saying Ogletree from Georgia was one name I heard but they were talking about Ends/LB/DL in general and they said Te'o based on team needs were lower. They did mention there were guys ahead of him at ILB.

Personally I think they are wrong but it seems the thinking is out there if they are even talking about. Sometimes with scouts though that is all it takes for a guy to drop.

Paully D · 03-11-2012 08:04PM

The joys of the draft lads, every man and his dog have a different opinion

Trippie · 04-11-2012 03:56AM

Paully D wrote: »

The joys of the draft lads, every man and his dog have a different opinion

and are usually always wrong

Dohnny Jepp · 04-11-2012 03:44PM

Trippie wrote: »

and are usually always wrong

I've never met a dog that was wrong

mikemac1 · 04-11-2012 03:48PM

How times can change

Looking at the links in Paully's OP from July, only Walterfootball had Geno Smith in the top 10

One mock had him 34

RGIII · 04-11-2012 11:32PM

Some of you guys are going to be shocked next April when Barkley falls. He isn't physically good enough to go #1. Look at Luck, Griffin III, Tannehill, Newton, Gabbert, Locker. Strong armed, athletic QBs.

Barkley's tape is underwhelming a lot of the time. I like this quote from a draft blog: Suddenly the voice in the war room pipes up. “This guy isn’t physically good enough. He’s just over 6-2, he’s not big or athletic. He’s a timing passer. He had great receivers.”

If I'm drafting a QB #1, I want a franchise changer. I don't see that in Barkley.

davyjose · 05-11-2012 01:01AM

Would prefer Barkley to Gabbert or Locker, but you make some good points.

SixtyTwo · 05-11-2012 01:06AM

davyjose wrote: »

Would prefer Barkley to Gabbert or Locker, but you make some good points.

I would take him over Gabbert myself but I have to say I like Locker. He was looking alright this season until injury struck. That Titans Offensive line is awful though.

Paully D · 05-11-2012 01:07AM

Would Barkley have been better off coming out of college for the 2012 draft then? Staying in this year doesn't seem to have done him any favours at all.

HigginsJ · 05-11-2012 01:22AM

Paully D wrote: »

Would Barkley have been better off coming out of college for the 2012 draft then? Staying in this year doesn't seem to have done him any favours at all.

At this stage yes i'd say he would have been better off. I'd imagine he would probably have still gone ahead of RGIII. He would have ended up at the Skins or Browns at 2nd overall

eagle eye · 05-11-2012 01:46AM

I still think he will go no.1 in the draft. And people raving on about Geno Smith just amaze me. I don't see what they see or maybe its that I see him being awful when faced with pressure.

Barkley for me is not just going to be good in the NFL, if he gets with the right team I think there is every chance he will be elite at the next level.

SixtyTwo · 05-11-2012 02:30AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I still think he will go no.1 in the draft. And people raving on about Geno Smith just amaze me. I don't see what they see or maybe its that I see him being awful when faced with pressure.

So all those Coaches and analysts and Scouts are wrong then? Yeah alright. As for being awful when faced with pressure show me one game where his performance was poor due to pressure and he was awful. I have a feeling you are going to lay the teams losses on him. Don't forget he plays for WVU and they are not a great team.

Barkley for me is not just going to be good in the NFL, if he gets with the right team I think there is every chance he will be elite at the next level.

Going at number 1 he wont get the right team and that is a problem for him. If a team takes him high and cant give him the support staff he will suffer. The scouting reports about him right now the main concern is consistency without the support staff USC have. Also you talk about pressure one of the main points against Barkley this season was about the same thing.

Both Smith and Barkely are now under pressure to prove their worth to NFL coaches and scouts and right now they all favour Smith. Still plenty of time for Barkley to convince scouts that he has what it takes.

Edit: To add I don't think either of them will be Elite in the Pros and this years class is just in the Very Good range. Work needed with most of the QBs that will enter the draft if they are to be ready to start effectively on a Pro team.

Paully D · 25-11-2012 04:51PM

Matt Miller has his QB's ranked as below:

1) Geno Smith
2) Tyler Wilson
3) Tyler Bray

He says Barkley and Jones are overrated by the highlight-media and that Barkley is just a system QB.

https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout

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