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UnitedIrishman · 18-10-2012 10:30PM

If Jags are the number 1 pick, they'd have to trade down surely?

Gabbert might be bad, but their offensive line and current receivers will just get the new QB killed. Makes more sense to upgrade those areas (Kansas will be looking for QB, Jets possibly although I think Sanchez got a new contract during summer, maybe Cardinals even) and then take it as it comes.

HigginsJ · 18-10-2012 10:50PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

If Jags are the number 1 pick, they'd have to trade down surely?

Gabbert might be bad, but their offensive line and current receivers will just get the new QB killed.

If the Jags are picking No.1 they will have to take Geno Smith (or possibly Barkley) You can say what you want about the receivers n O-Line but there is talent there. Robinson, Blackmon, Lewis, Monroe, MJD are all highly talented and that is a decent defense.

For a franchise struggling to attract crowds they will have little option but to go QB if picking 1.

GoldFour4 · 18-10-2012 11:07PM

That's just stupid. Gabbert is going to be good. He's come along a fair bit this season. Jacksonville should invest some money in a o-line for him. Also the thought that any nfl gm would take Geno Smith over Barkley just baffles me.

GoldFour4 · 18-10-2012 11:10PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

If the Jags are picking No.1 they will have to take Geno Smith (or possibly Barkley) You can say what you want about the receivers n O-Line but there is talent there. Robinson, Blackmon, Lewis, Monroe, MJD are all highly talented and that is a decent defense.

For a franchise struggling to attract crowds they will have little option but to go QB if picking 1.

There isn't as much talent as there seems. Mercedes Lewis had one good year and has been average at best since. Laurent Robinson was a third stringer for Dallas last year who caught a good number of TD passes for the sole reason that he was being left in single coverage because he was lining up with Miles Austin and Dez Bryant.

This is all irrelevant anyway. Kansas will be well below the Jags by the end of the season.

eagle eye · 19-10-2012 12:29AM

malistheman wrote: »

There isn't as much talent as there seems. Mercedes Lewis had one good year and has been average at best since. Laurent Robinson was a third stringer for Dallas last year who caught a good number of TD passes for the sole reason that he was being left in single coverage because he was lining up with Miles Austin and Dez Bryant.

This is all irrelevant anyway. Kansas will be well below the Jags by the end of the season.

Lewis is spending too much time blocking to be affective in the passing game. I totally agree that the OL needs a lot of attention. I think they should pretend they are interested and then take a whopping deal to trade down and make the moves they need to give Gabbert the opportunity to be a really good QB.

Personally I think they are fine at receiver but we'll never know until they have a line that can protect the QB.

Syferus · 19-10-2012 01:26AM

malistheman wrote: »

That's just stupid. Gabbert is going to be good. He's come along a fair bit this season. Jacksonville should invest some money in a o-line for him. Also the thought that any nfl gm would take Geno Smith over Barkley just baffles me.

Cam and RG3 say hi.

The writing was on the wall for Gabbert even last year, you need to do spectacular things to recover from being a running joke and he most certainly has not done that. The Jags aren't going to be waiting around on him if there's a cast-iron franchise option available to them, this isn't a Bradford (and Bradford happens to be a far better QB, of course) situation where a weighty contract helps guide the team to standing by their man. It looks like being the Jimmy Clausen to Cam Newton situation repeated right now.

davyjose · 19-10-2012 04:33AM

Syferus wrote: »

Cam and RG3 say hi.

The writing was on the wall for Gabbert even last year, you need to do spectacular things to recover from being a running joke and he most certainly has not done that. The Jags aren't going to be waiting around on him if there's a cast-iron franchise option available to them, this isn't a Bradford (and Bradford happens to be a far better QB, of course) situation where a weighty contract helps guide the team to standing by their man. It looks like being the Jimmy Clausen to Cam Newton situation repeated right now.

Why are you comparing Geno Smith to Newton and RG3? He's nothing like them.

Silver-Tiger · 19-10-2012 08:01AM

davyjose wrote: »

Why are you comparing Geno Smith to Newton and RG3? He's nothing like them.

LOL

Ya can guess why!

HigginsJ · 19-10-2012 10:10AM

malistheman wrote: »

That's just stupid. Gabbert is going to be good. He's come along a fair bit this season. Jacksonville should invest some money in a o-line for him. Also the thought that any nfl gm would take Geno Smith over Barkley just baffles me.

Gabbert is terrible. He currently has more that 300 less passing yards than any other QB and his only win this year has came on an 80yd td pass on a blown coverage against the Colts.

If the Jags are picking 1st it's time to move on. The Jags went out and acquired weapons in the offseason and he is still unproductive.

If you look at the QB's taken with him (Newton, Ponder, Locker, Dalton) you can see something in all of those guys that would give you belief that they are your future QB.

Personally I struggle to see that in Gabbert.

taidghbaby · 19-10-2012 10:15AM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Gabbert is terrible. He currently has more that 300 less passing yards than any other QB and his only win this year has came on an 80yd td pass on a blown coverage against the Colts.

If the Jags are picking 1st it's time to move on. The Jags went out and acquired weapons in the offseason and he is still unproductive.

If you look at the QB's taken with him (Newton, Ponder, Locker, Dalton) you can see something in all of those guys that would give you belief that they are your future QB.

Personally I struggle to see that in Gabbert.

Nooooo....jags should keep gabbert!!!

On another note I heard rumours that MJD may be moved on before the start o next season! Then the offence will totally be on gabbert!! I'm not sure that would be great for them!

HigginsJ · 19-10-2012 10:25AM

taidghbaby wrote: »

Nooooo....jags should keep gabbert!!!
QUOTE]

Why?

SixtyTwo · 19-10-2012 10:27AM

Syferus wrote: »

Cam and RG3 say hi.

Smith is a pure pocket passer. Do you watch College Football at all?

taidghbaby · 19-10-2012 10:41AM

taidghbaby wrote: »

Nooooo....jags should keep gabbert!!!
QUOTE]

Why?

I'm a colts fan!

And yes I don know the irony that he beat us with a 80yard pass in the last seconds! More the colts fault though than gabberts brilliance!

GoldFour4 · 19-10-2012 12:37PM

taidghbaby wrote: »

Nooooo....jags should keep gabbert!!!

On another note I heard rumours that MJD may be moved on before the start o next season! Then the offence will totally be on gabbert!! I'm not sure that would be great for them!

Can't see him being moved tbh. He's in the top two running backs in the league. I think he'll get paid by the jags, and paid well.

Syferus · 19-10-2012 02:26PM

davyjose wrote: »

Why are you comparing Geno Smith to Newton and RG3? He's nothing like them.

Smith runs the 40 in 4.70 seconds but even more importantly he's got good footwork and agility to boot. That's alot closer to the RG3s and the Steve Youngs of the world than the turret-style Peyton Mannings. The kid has all the tools to keep a defence honest beyond his arm.

If you really don't think the trend of Newton and RG3 (and yes, Tebow) in keeping plays alive with their feet - scrambling, rushing, whatever - has made a Geno Smith more valuable than he would have been four or five years ago and that teams then it's not me that's at fault. The trend isn't towards immobile quarterback play, RG3 is a 'pocket passer' in that he's perfectly comfortable under centre but that doesn't mean he won't take what a defence offers him. When defences are as poor as what Smith has faced there's not much need to use his feet so please, come back at me with stats that he doesn't rush much.

Nice try by the other lad claiming racism, though. Mature.

SixtyTwo · 19-10-2012 02:34PM

Syferus wrote: »

Smith runs the 40 in 4.70 seconds and he's likely to run under that at the combine. That's alot closer to the Rg3's and the Steve Youngs of the world than the Peyton Manning's. The kid has all the tools to keep a defence honest beyond his arm.

If you really don't think the successes of Newton and RG3 in keeping plays alive with their feet - scrambling, rushing, whatever has made a Geno Smith more valuable than he would have been four or five years ago then it's not me that's at fault. When defences are as poor as what Smith has faced there's not much need to use his feet so please, come back at me with stats that he doesn't rush much.

Nice try by the other lad at claiming racism, though. Mature.

All of this is irrelevant. Plenty of QBs can run with their feet. Take Aaron Rodgers would you compare him to Newton and RGIII? Rodgers ran a 4.71 in the Combine. Simple fact Smith is a Pocket QB and his stats in college show that. His pocket presence also shows that. Racist or not you are doing what a lot of analysts fall down on is comparing him to other black QBs who are also fast athletes.

Simple fact Geno Smith will not tuck and run unless it is absolutely necessary and even when you watch him now in college he wont run far or will slide pretty quickly to avoid the hit. He will only run in the same sense as Rodgers when there is a ton of space for him to do so. The fact he hates running in college will dictate his decision to be mobile in the Pros where defensive players are as fast and stronger than him.

Your understanding of different styles of QBs is baffling when you are clearly generalising by athleticism and in fact by colour.

SixtyTwo · 19-10-2012 02:46PM

Syferus wrote: »

When defences are as poor as what Smith has faced there's not much need to use his feet so please, come back at me with stats that he doesn't rush much.

And this shows you know nothing about Geno Smith WVU or College football.

Syferus · 19-10-2012 02:47PM

SixtyTwo wrote: »

All of this is irrelevant. Plenty of QBs can run with their feet. Take Aaron Rodgers would you compare him to Newton and RGIII? Rodgers ran a 4.71 in the Combine. Simple fact Smith is a Pocket QB and his stats in college show that. His pocket presence also shows that. Racist or not you are doing what a lot of analysts fall down on is comparing him to other black QBs who are also fast athletes.

Simple fact Geno Smith will not tuck and run unless it is absolutely necessary and even when you watch him now in college he wont run far or will slide pretty quickly to avoid the hit. He will only run in the same sense as Rodgers when there is a ton of space for him to do so. The fact he hates running in college will dictate his decision to be mobile in the Pros where defensive players are as fast and stronger than him.

Your understanding of different styles of QBs is baffling when you are clearly generalising by athleticism and in fact by colour.

Another silly, frothing attempt to bring it down to race. Why not throw in another 'you don't know anything about..' too?

The only reason I mentioned RG3 and Cam particularly is because they have changed how teams evaluate quarterbacks. It's matterless what colour their skin is. Teams are more willing to allow a QB be a dual threat and what's baffling to me is that someone would try to say when you're comparing Barkley and Smith that athletic ability would become one of the key questions in separating them.

You even touched on a prime example of what someone with probably less than Smith's ability can do: Aaron Rodgers. Under-rated rushing ability and vision is what makes him a better QB than Brady or Brees right now, defenses have to be prepared for him to rush when a play breaks down, particularly on the goal-line. No one is saying Smith is going to rush for 139 yards.

But go on, dig the hole deeper.

SixtyTwo · 19-10-2012 02:55PM

Syferus wrote: »

Another silly, frothing attempt to bring it down to race. Why not throw in another 'you don't know anything about..' too?

The only reason I mentioned RG3 and Cam particularly is because they have changed how teams evaluate quarterbacks. It's matterless what colour their skin is. Teams are more willing to allow a QB be a dual threat and what's baffling to me is that someone would try to say when you're comparing Barkley and Smith that athletic ability would become one of the key questions in separating them.

You even touched on a prime example of what someone with probably less than Smith's ability can do: Aaron Rodgers. Under-rated rushing ability and vision is what makes him a better QB than Brady or Brees right now, defenses have to be prepared for him to rush when a play breaks down, particularly on the goal-line. No one is saying Smith is going to rush for 139 yards.

But go on, dig the hole deeper.

Your lack of understanding and ignorance to the position of QB and the certain styles of QB is nuts. It is quite clear you so a clear lack of understanding on the type of QB Smith is and how he is coached and how he plays. It is also clear you don't watch WVU or College football.

For the record Barkely has run a 4.65 40 time. His times vary between 4.65 and 4.90. All college QBs are getting more athletic and faster. Look at the top 10 Pocket QBs on any of the scouting websites for even High school kids and a lot of the Pocket QBs are as fast as some of the so called scramblers. Kids are getting faster simple fact.

The downfall to all of this is that Defensive players are becoming just as fast. Just because a kid is fast and you pretend it gives him the edge it doesn't give you the right to be ignorant on position. Simple facts dont lie and Geno Smith is a Pocket QB and liek Rodgers will only run when he knows he has space to run. Just because RGIII and Newton have changed the way QBs are scouted doesn't mean NFL coaches wont see Smith for what he actually is. A Pocket QB.

SixtyTwo · 19-10-2012 02:56PM

Syferus wrote: »

But go on, dig the hole deeper.

:rolleyes: Yeah alright. You are clearly wrong in this instance and you can make all the excuses in the book that you want. But I do know QBs and I do know College Football and you are 100% wrong in your analysis on Smith. Most on here will agree with me who know college football and most of the good College football Analysists will also agree if you bothered to read their break downs on Smith

spiralism · 19-10-2012 03:02PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Te'o is just looking better and better.

This displeases me, he wont fall to us in the mid-high twenties. We're in dire need of a MLB, Keith Brooking is our best option and he's 53

davyjose · 19-10-2012 10:16PM

Syferus wrote: »

Smith runs the 40 in 4.70 seconds but even more importantly he's got good footwork and agility to boot. That's alot closer to the RG3s and the Steve Youngs of the world than the turret-style Peyton Mannings. The kid has all the tools to keep a defence honest beyond his arm.

If you really don't think the trend of Newton and RG3 (and yes, Tebow) in keeping plays alive with their feet - scrambling, rushing, whatever - has made a Geno Smith more valuable than he would have been four or five years ago and that teams then it's not me that's at fault. The trend isn't towards immobile quarterback play, RG3 is a 'pocket passer' in that he's perfectly comfortable under centre but that doesn't mean he won't take what a defence offers him. When defences are as poor as what Smith has faced there's not much need to use his feet so please, come back at me with stats that he doesn't rush much.

Nice try by the other lad claiming racism, though. Mature.

He's more like Luck then. Luck can run the ball when he has to, and runs a 4.69. TBH, i wasn't trying to bait you but there are plenty of other QB's with good mobility, but it doesn't make them RG3 or Cam Newton.

davyjose · 19-10-2012 10:22PM

malistheman wrote: »

Can't see him being moved tbh. He's in the top two running backs in the league. I think he'll get paid by the jags, and paid well.

Is his contract up? He might push for a move. I regard him as the best back in the league, and tbh with the exception of a handful of teams, everyone would fall over themselves to get him. Could you imagine him at New England, or Green Bay? they'd be unstoppable.

Then again, I'm a Colts fan and would do anything to get him.

HigginsJ · 19-10-2012 10:23PM

davyjose wrote: »

He's more like Luck then. Luck can run the ball when he has to, and runs a 4.69. TBH, i wasn't trying to bait you but there are plenty of other QB's with good mobility, but it doesn't make them RG3 or Cam Newton.

Did Luck not run pretty much the same 40 time as Cam at the combine?

Paully D · 19-10-2012 10:27PM

davyjose · 19-10-2012 10:37PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Did Luck not run pretty much the same 40 time as Cam at the combine?

He had a longer broad jump than Newton and a longer vertical jump than griffin, AFAIR.

davyjose · 19-10-2012 10:39PM

Paully D wrote: »

Not bad for a white guy, eh syferus?

**Just Kidding, JUST KIDDING**

Mr. Guappa · 20-10-2012 12:45AM

spiralism wrote: »

This displeases me, he wont fall to us in the mid-high twenties. We're in dire need of a MLB, Keith Brooking is our best option and he's 53

Paully D · 02-11-2012 08:41PM

Ryan Lownes, NFL Draft analyst, is doing a mock draft right now using current placings:

https://twitter.com/ryanlownes

Stev_o · 02-11-2012 11:01PM

Not a fan of that mock draft tbh.

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