A few GAA referee conundrums

Squareball2010 · 02-11-2012 2:05am #1

Here's a pick of some very rare yet interesting incidents that happen on the GAA field in both Hurling and Football. I wonder do many people (referees or otherwise) know what the correct decisions are in these cases? Have a bash off it and see how you get on!

Incident #1:

The ball strikes a defender hits the corner flag and goes out over the endline. Decision?

#2

A player attempts to strike a sideline cut, misses the ball and pulls for a second time. Decision?

#3

You have just moved the ball forward 13m for dissent after awarding a free and a player continues to remonstrate with your decision. Decision?

#4

A player disagrees with your line ball decision. Can the line ball be advanced 13m for dissent?

#5

A player takes a free and gives it to his teamate who is standing 10m away approx. Decision?

#6

An Attacking player is fouled in the large square just as he strikes his shot which the goalkeeper makes a brilliant save to tip the ball over the bar. Decision?

#7

In hurling, the goalkeeper makes a superb save and proceeds to protect his goal from an on rushing forward by lieing on the ball inside the small square. Decision?

#8

In football, the ball is picked up/touched on the ground inside the small square by a defender. Decision?

Squidgy Black · 02-11-2012 2:28am

#1 I'd say it's a 65, if it hit the goalside of the flag. If it was closer to the sideline, then it's a line ball. It all depends on the situation.
#2 Once he hasn't moved the ball, hit it again.
#3 Yellow card if he persists.
#4 No it can't be brought forward, but the player can get booked if he persists.
#5 Has to be 13 yards away, throw-in.
#6 If he's brought down just as he strikes then it's a penalty. If he's fouled but continues and gets his strike off, he's played advantage.
#7 It all depends, if he refuses to get up then bring it out to the 21 for a throw-in.
#8 Penalty. No other decision. You'd give a definite free for it otherwise if it was anywhere else and it's not a keeper.

dpofloinn · 02-11-2012 2:57am

1 65
2 free to the opposition
3 brought forward again yellow card if it continues
4 no.line ball from original position warning for dissent
5 foul ball free out
6 point stands advantage played
7 keeper cant lie on the ball free in
8 penalty

Grudaire · 02-11-2012 9:32am

6 - depends on whether or not the referee decides advantage should be played. I would imagine the ref could give the penalty for such a foul. Equally he could play advantage if he thought it gave them a better chance..

7 - I was under the impression that ANY foul in the small rectangle is a penalty. Thus a free in wouldn't apply.
Depends on the situation, but if he was clearly shielding the ball then it should be a penalty.
Otherwise a throw in might be more appropriate.

Clareman · 02-11-2012 1:34pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Here's a pick of some very rare yet interesting incidents that happen on the GAA field in both Hurling and Football. I wonder do many people (referees or otherwise) know what the correct decisions are in these cases? Have a bash off it and see how you get on!

Incident #1:

The ball strikes a defender hits the corner flag and goes out over the endline. Decision?
Straight over the corner, 45/65, either side more likely either a sideline or a 45/65
#2

A player attempts to strike a sideline cut, misses the ball and pulls for a second time. Decision?
No hassle once the ball didn't move or was touched
#3

You have just moved the ball forward 13m for dissent after awarding a free and a player continues to remonstrate with your decision. Decision?
Book the stupid *******
#4

A player disagrees with your line ball decision. Can the line ball be advanced 13m for dissent?
Challenging the authority of any official is a booking, if there's a free in place you can bring it forward, you can't bring forward where the ball went out of play
#5

A player takes a free and gives it to his teamate who is standing 10m away approx. Decision?
I'm going to say throw in but common sense would have to come into account here,
#6

An Attacking player is fouled in the large square just as he strikes his shot which the goalkeeper makes a brilliant save to tip the ball over the bar. Decision?
Penalty
#7

In hurling, the goalkeeper makes a superb save and proceeds to protect his goal from an on rushing forward by lieing on the ball inside the small square. Decision?
Did the goalie fall on the ball or lie on it? That'd be the difference between a 21 and a penalty, I'd say 21
#8

In football, the ball is picked up/touched on the ground inside the small square by a defender. Decision?
Penalty

A couple of good teasers there, had to think of a few, it can be hard to make a decision without having context, nice thread though.

Cuchulainn2012 · 02-11-2012 3:15pm

#1
Sideline kick/puck if it hits the corner flag

#2
Play on, provided there is no delay between the first and second strike

#3
Move the ball forward again after issuing player with yellow card

#4
No

#5
Free to oppositon where player standing 10m away is

#6
Depending on foul type it could be a penalty or free on 13/21m line

#7
21m free

#8
Penalty

rebel girl 15 · 02-11-2012 4:48pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Here's a pick of some very rare yet interesting incidents that happen on the GAA field in both Hurling and Football. I wonder do many people (referees or otherwise) know what the correct decisions are in these cases? Have a bash off it and see how you get on!

Incident #1:

The ball strikes a defender hits the corner flag and goes out over the endline. Decision?

Sideline puck/kick

#2

A player attempts to strike a sideline cut, misses the ball and pulls for a second time. Decision?

Player make pull for a second time without delay, if he delays other players may approach closer

#3

You have just moved the ball forward 13m for dissent after awarding a free and a player continues to remonstrate with your decision. Decision?

Issue the player with a yellow card for dissent, do not move the ball forward again

#4

A player disagrees with your line ball decision. Can the line ball be advanced 13m for dissent?

No, player could be booked for challenging the authority of a lineman or referee

#5

A player takes a free and gives it to his teamate who is standing 10m away approx. Decision?

Lot of people would be of the opinion it is a hop ball, but its a free to the opposition from where the receiver of the pass is

#6

An Attacking player is fouled in the large square just as he strikes his shot which the goalkeeper makes a brilliant save to tip the ball over the bar. Decision?

Well, I know the referee in the game in question that this scenario came from gave the advantage, and awarded the point. I think there is a rule there that states if a player is fouled immediately after scoring, the score is allowed to stand. There is a case for a penalty being awarded, and the point not counting.

#7

In hurling, the goalkeeper makes a superb save and proceeds to protect his goal from an on rushing forward by lieing on the ball inside the small square. Decision?

Free from the centre of the 21m line. Deliberate lying on the ball.

#8

In football, the ball is picked up/touched on the ground inside the small square by a defender. Decision?

Penalty, because it is inside the small square. If it was inside the large square, it would only be a free

Had to think about a few of those - slightly different rules in the ladies game!!

Cuchulainn2012 · 02-11-2012 5:28pm

Incident #9
After the referee has receievd the teamsheets, taken the toss etc. and both teams are lining out the following happens
2 midfield players on opposite sides strike eachother (red card offences), what is the referees call? Do you allow replacements?

Incident #10
At half time when players are lining out for 2nd half, two players on the same team strike each other, what is the referees call? Do you allow replacements

Incident #11
During the game team A has 16 players on the field of play, what is the referees call?

Incident #12
During the game a fight begins between two players, spectator enters the field from behind the fence and strikes player A who in turn kicks him back? What is the referees call?

Incident #13
Player A is striking the ball and Player B is blocking.
The ball is blocked and in the tackle player A loses his hurl with player B breaking his hurl.
Player B lifts Player A's hurl, picks up ball and scores.
What is the call of the referee?

Grudaire · 02-11-2012 5:46pm

#09 No Replacements
#10 No Replacements
#11 Nothing - He stops the game, makes them have 15 players, then plays on. Note it clearly in the match report. The county board make the call.
#12 Call the game off if things are getting that hot! - Again note it clearly in the match report. The county board make the call.
#13 I think he should call a free out... but that's a guess!

In fairness I think all referees would know how to handle these scenarios. Most of this is explicitly covered in even the juvinile referee training courses!

rebel girl 15 · 02-11-2012 6:25pm

Cuchulainn2012 wrote: »

Incident #9
After the referee has received the teamsheets, taken the toss etc. and both teams are lining out the following happens
2 midfield players on opposite sides strike each other (red card offences), what is the referees call? Do you allow replacements?

Red card each, and no replacements

Incident #10
At half time when players are lining out for 2nd half, two players on the same team strike each other, what is the referees call? Do you allow replacements

If on the field, red card and no replacement.

Incident #11
During the game team A has 16 players on the field of play, what is the referees call?

Stop the game, get them to take off extra man, and report to committee in charge, who may then fine the club, order a replay or award the game to the other team

Incident #12
During the game a fight begins between two players, spectator enters the field from behind the fence and strikes player A who in turn kicks him back? What is the referees call?

Red card both players for striking offences, attempt to get the name of the spectator - you can abandon the game at that stage, if it is deemed to be serious interruption, because after a fight and a spectator joining in you can be sure more have jumped in at that stage. File the report with the committee in charge and let them deal with it

Incident #13
Player A is striking the ball and Player B is blocking.
The ball is blocked and in the tackle player A loses his hurl with player B breaking his hurl.
Player B lifts Player A's hurl, picks up ball and scores.
What is the call of the referee?

As far as I'd be aware, allow the score - don't think there is anything covering the use of someone else's hurley to score. Not at all sure of that one though!

rebel girl 15 · 02-11-2012 6:34pm

#14
Player bounces the ball 10 times in succession, yet the referee does not blow for a foul. Why?

#15
You send a player off for a red card offense, but the player refuses to get off the pitch. What steps must you take?

daniels.ducks · 02-11-2012 6:49pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

#14
Player bounces the ball 10 times in succession, yet the referee does not blow for a foul. Why?
As long as you don't catch the ball you can bounce it as many times as you like.

#15
You send a player off for a red card offense, but the player refuses to get off the pitch. What steps must you take?
Call the captain and give the team a three minute warning for the player to get off the pitch before the match is called off.

oh and recors and report everything
..

68Murph68 · 02-11-2012 6:53pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

#14
Player bounces the ball 10 times in succession, yet the referee does not blow for a foul. Why?

#15
You send a player off for a red card offense, but the player refuses to get off the pitch. What steps must you take?

#14 Player hasnt taken any steps?

#15 Abandon game.

#16 A footballer player handles the ball while the ball is in contact with the ground. The referee sees this and correctly allows play to continue. Why?

daniels.ducks · 02-11-2012 6:57pm

68Murph68 wrote: »

#14 Player hasnt taken any steps?

#15 Abandon game.

#16 A footballer player handles the ball while the ball is in contact with the ground. The referee sees this and correctly allows play to continue. Why?

Becasue as a player is knocked to the ground he is allowed to play the ball away from themselves even allowed to score a goal in the process

Squareball2010 · 02-11-2012 7:25pm

Cuchulainn2012 wrote: »

Incident #9
After the referee has receievd the teamsheets, taken the toss etc. and both teams are lining out the following happens
2 midfield players on opposite sides strike eachother (red card offences), what is the referees call? Do you allow replacements?

Red card both players for striking as happens on the field of play and allow NO replacements as teamsheets have been received.

Incident #10
At half time when players are lining out for 2nd half, two players on the same team strike each other, what is the referees call? Do you allow replacements

Again red card both players and allow no replacements. Striking offences do not depend on whether you hit a team mate or an opponent. A strike is a strike

Incident #11
During the game team A has 16 players on the field of play, what is the referees call?

Get Team A to remove a player to return to their compliment of 15, continue the game as normal yet record it clearly in your match report and report it to your GDO/referee appointer. The Board will decide the future discipline action

Incident #12
During the game a fight begins between two players, spectator enters the field from behind the fence and strikes player A who in turn kicks him back? What is the referees call?

Send off both players if it is warranted. Record name of spectator and include incident in match report. If situation dies down and order restored continue the game. Match may also be abandoned depending on the degree of seriousness the incident. Board will again be asked to act post match.

Incident #13
Player A is striking the ball and Player B is blocking.
The ball is blocked and in the tackle player A loses his hurl with player B breaking his hurl.
Player B lifts Player A's hurl, picks up ball and scores.
What is the call of the referee?

Very interesting one this. Almost comical - I would imagine the score stands as there is nothing in the rulebook suggesting otherwise. Once no hurl has been thrown!

Few interesting ones Cuchulainn fair play!

Squareball2010 · 02-11-2012 7:34pm

68Murph68 wrote: »

#14 Player hasnt taken any steps?

#15 Abandon game.

#16 A footballer player handles the ball while the ball is in contact with the ground. The referee sees this and correctly allows play to continue. Why?

#14

Player hasn't caught the ball and proceeds to bounce it basketball style. Play away as the ball has not been fouled - 2 hops in succession mean the ball has been caught after each hop and thus is a technical foul.

#15
Call the captain and give the team a three minute warning for the player to get off the pitch before the match is called off.

=16

Play on once the player is knocked to the ground/grounded he may play the ball away with the hand and score by doing so. This would be a very controversial one mind and the referee would be in for a rough time from the opposition team though it is the correct call.

Hammer Archer · 02-11-2012 7:38pm

Here's one I actually witnessed against my home club which basically cost us promotion in the league:

Team A are 2 points behind deep into injury time and have a 13 metre free straight in front of the posts. As the ball is being kicked, the goalkeeper of Team B takes a step off his line towards the free taker. What's the sanction?

Interesting thread.

Squareball2010 · 02-11-2012 7:41pm

#17

A player taking a sideline cut pulls on the ball making minimal contact so much so the ball barely moves from its position. What happens if he pulls a second time (a) without delay (b) after delaying/hesitating

#18

A game goes to ET and in normal time you have sent off 2 players from Team A and 1 from Team B. May those players come back on/be replaced for ET?

#19

You have yellow carded a player from Team A in normal time. He commits a cautionable foul e.g. pulls down an opponent in ET. Do you send him off?

#20

A player (defender) picks the ball off the ground inside the small square in a hurling game. Decision?

#21

A high ball drops into Team A's keepers hands...he takes possession and heads for the sideline...2 forwards from Team B attempt to close down the keeper...one is shouldered off the ball by a defender from Team A in an attempt to protect the keeper. Decision?

Squareball2010 · 02-11-2012 7:45pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Here's one I actually witnessed against my home club which basically cost us promotion in the league:

Team A are 2 points behind deep into injury time and have a 13 metre free straight in front of the posts. As the ball is being kicked, the goalkeeper of Team B takes a step off his line towards the free taker. What's the sanction?

Interesting thread.

The referee should have issued the keeper and defenders on the goal line for Team B a warning that a penalty will be awarded should they break the 13m. Thus the keeper in this case has broken the minimum distance you must be back from a free and a Penalty is the correct award.

What was the decision? The referee waved play on I'm guessing? :rolleyes:

Hammer Archer · 02-11-2012 7:51pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

The referee should have issued the keeper and defenders on the goal line for Team B a warning that a penalty will be awarded should they break the 13m. Thus the keeper in this case has broken the minimum distance you must be back from a free and a Penalty is the correct award.

What was the decision? The referee waved play on I'm guessing? :rolleyes:

Nope. Penalty was given. Never seen that rule enacted before that and have never seen it since. Though the free was originally given on the 45 but was brought in several times for various "infringements". The consensus from both sides was that the referee wanted "Team A" to get the 2 points. They finished 2 points ahead of us in the league in the 2nd promotion spot.

daniels.ducks · 02-11-2012 9:50pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

The referee should have issued the keeper and defenders on the goal line for Team B a warning that a penalty will be awarded should they break the 13m. Thus the keeper in this case has broken the minimum distance you must be back from a free and a Penalty is the correct award.

What was the decision? The referee waved play on I'm guessing? :rolleyes:

The referee can't upgrade a free to a penalty... in normal play the ball is moved 13m into a better position.. the most the ref can do is move it into the centre of the goal and allow the free taker to take it again

daniels.ducks · 02-11-2012 9:52pm

Actually just out of curiosity anyone here a fellow referee?

Hammer Archer · 02-11-2012 10:10pm

daniels.ducks wrote: »

The referee can't upgrade a free to a penalty... in normal play the ball is moved 13m into a better position.. the most the ref can do is move it into the centre of the goal and allow the free taker to take it again

It was classed as a technical foul in the small rectangle so a penalty was given.

rebel girl 15 · 02-11-2012 10:19pm

daniels.ducks wrote: »

Actually just out of curiosity anyone here a fellow referee?

Yep, but not the mens game!

rebel girl 15 · 02-11-2012 10:37pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Here's one I actually witnessed against my home club which basically cost us promotion in the league:

Team A are 2 points behind deep into injury time and have a 13 metre free straight in front of the posts. As the ball is being kicked, the goalkeeper of Team B takes a step off his line towards the free taker. What's the sanction?

Interesting thread.

Less than 13m away from the ball is a technical foul within the small square so its a penalty would be the assumption - but there is a rule there iirc that if it happens a player is less than 13m away, the ball can be moved forward up, with a limit of the opponents 13m line

Squareball2010 wrote: »

#17
A player taking a sideline cut pulls on the ball making minimal contact so much so the ball barely moves from its position. What happens if he pulls a second time (a) without delay (b) after delaying/hesitating

Not too sure about this, because I know camogie is different. I think its play on, if he delays, players can come closer than 13m

#18
A game goes to ET and in normal time you have sent off 2 players from Team A and 1 from Team B. May those players come back on/be replaced for ET?

They cannot come back on, but may be replaced for extra time

#19
You have yellow carded a player from Team A in normal time. He commits a cautionable foul e.g. pulls down an opponent in ET. Do you send him off?

Yes, yellow cards carry over into extra time

#20
A player (defender) picks the ball off the ground inside the small square in a hurling game. Decision?

Is this one of the differences between football and hurling - I know if it was football its a penalty, but have a feeling it may be different for hurling, so 21m free I think

#21
A high ball drops into Team A's keepers hands...he takes possession and heads for the sideline...2 forwards from Team B attempt to close down the keeper...one is shouldered off the ball by a defender from Team A in an attempt to protect the keeper. Decision?

Ah this one, third man tackle, free in. If within the large rectangle, penalty, since I think it would be considered an aggressive foul. Not penalised enough in games, huge amount of it in this years AI final and other games I saw

Squareball2010 · 03-11-2012 1:46am

daniels.ducks wrote: »

The referee can't upgrade a free to a penalty... in normal play the ball is moved 13m into a better position.. the most the ref can do is move it into the centre of the goal and allow the free taker to take it again

I would have to disagree with you there D Ducks. I think Rebel Girl hit the nail on the head there by saying it would be considered a technical foul inside the small square therefore it must be a penalty. This is rarely given however and referees are usually instructed to warn the players on the line if they move forward before the ball is kicked then you will be awarding a penalty. The threat alone is usually suffice and the players hold their ground. Otherwise you're merely taking away the advantage from the (fouled) attacking team.

I am a referee aswell btw! :cool:

Squareball2010 · 03-11-2012 1:51am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Nope. Penalty was given. Never seen that rule enacted before that and have never seen it since. Though the free was originally given on the 45 but was brought in several times for various "infringements". The consensus from both sides was that the referee wanted "Team A" to get the 2 points. They finished 2 points ahead of us in the league in the 2nd promotion spot.

Ouch one has to say ye definitely had a right to feel hard done by.

I would agree with the penalty decision which is ultimately the crucial one as it is 'technically' if you like a technical foul in the small square and any foul committed by the defending team inside that area is a penalty.
But the free being moved upto the 13m from the 45 would suggest the ball was moved up twice if not three times? If this was for dissent then that is incorrect as the ball can only be moved up ONCE....after that if further dissent ensues its a yellow card. Sounds dodgy enough in fairness.

daniels.ducks · 03-11-2012 10:44am

Another one for ye. Goalkeeper catches the ball in the square and sees a few attackers running straight for him. He reverses out over the end-line to avoid losing the ball. Penalty or 45/65? Taking into goes from the square over the endline.

Same kind of situation as when a goalkeeper is in possession in the square and runs along the endline. While he is still in the square he handpasses the ball over a attackers head and then leaves the field to go around them to regain posession. Penalty?

Squidgy Black · 03-11-2012 11:55am

daniels.ducks wrote: »

Another one for ye. Goalkeeper catches the ball in the square and sees a few attackers running straight for him. He reverses out over the end-line to avoid losing the ball. Penalty or 45/65? Taking into goes from the square over the endline.

Same kind of situation as when a goalkeeper is in possession in the square and runs along the endline. While he is still in the square he handpasses the ball over a attackers head and then leaves the field to go around them to regain posession. Penalty?

Neither of them are anywhere close to a penalty. The first one, it's no different than if a player gets pushed out over the endline, 65. The second one, there's no rule that says a player can't step out over the line when he's not in possession. I can't imagine any sane ref giving a penalty for either of those situations.

rebel girl 15 · 03-11-2012 12:01pm

stetyrrell wrote: »

Neither of them are anywhere close to a penalty. The first one, it's no different than if a player gets pushed out over the endline, 65. The second one, there's no rule that says a player can't step out over the line when he's not in possession. I can't imagine any sane ref giving a penalty for either of those situations.

I thought there is a rule that a player cannot step out over the line to gain an advantage?

JazzyJ · 03-11-2012 12:05pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I thought there is a rule that a player cannot step out over the line to gain an advantage?

Yep, can't go outside the the pitch to gain an advantage. So I'd presume the second is a penalty if its still in the small square.

It would be difficult to say whether a goalkeeper is gaining an advantage by carrying the ball over the line. There'd be ructions if a penalty was given in this instance!

Squareball2010 · 03-11-2012 2:06pm

daniels.ducks wrote: »

Another one for ye. Goalkeeper catches the ball in the square and sees a few attackers running straight for him. He reverses out over the end-line to avoid losing the ball. Penalty or 45/65? Taking into goes from the square over the endline.

Same kind of situation as when a goalkeeper is in possession in the square and runs along the endline. While he is still in the square he handpasses the ball over a attackers head and then leaves the field to go around them to regain posession. Penalty?

First one is a 45/65. Never a question of a penalty in my eyes...same as player being pushed out over endline as someone said

Second one is interesting. It is a technical foul: 4.34 'To delierately go outside the boundary lines to gain an advantage'. I would imagine it would be a free from the 13m line opposite where the keeper crossed the endline. I certainly wouldn't be awarding a penalty anyway because when you think of it the foul actually happens 'outside' the small square albeit off the pitch!

daniels.ducks · 03-11-2012 5:15pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

First one is a 45/65. Never a question of a penalty in my eyes...same as player being pushed out over endline as someone said

Second one is interesting. It is a technical foul: 4.34 'To delierately go outside the boundary lines to gain an advantage'. I would imagine it would be a free from the 13m line opposite where the keeper crossed the endline. I certainly wouldn't be awarding a penalty anyway because when you think of it the foul actually happens 'outside' the small square albeit off the pitch!

If this happened on the sideline the free would have to be taken on the field. I'd award a penalty. I'd say the foul happened on the field in that case. Asked an assessor there a while back and he wasn't sure.

daniels.ducks · 03-11-2012 5:18pm

stetyrrell wrote: »

Neither of them are anywhere close to a penalty. The first one, it's no different than if a player gets pushed out over the endline, 65. The second one, there's no rule that says a player can't step out over the line when he's not in possession. I can't imagine any sane ref giving a penalty for either of those situations.

The second one actually is a foul in any case. To cross the boundary line to gain an advantage.

Squareball2010 · 04-11-2012 2:45am

daniels.ducks wrote: »

If this happened on the sideline the free would have to be taken on the field. I'd award a penalty. I'd say the foul happened on the field in that case. Asked an assessor there a while back and he wasn't sure.

Yeah wouldn't like to have to come across this personally as it could be quite a contentious one. Knowing many referees around my area I can't think of one who wouldn't just wave play on to (a) avoid controversy or (b) as they probably don't know/enforce the rule.

Much more likely I'm guessing to see this around the sideline area though and you could see a free easily being awarded for that. It's like in soccer if you look at the Premier League - many fouls are called around the middle of the pitch or outside the area such as pushing or on the back of a player/shirt pulling yet in the penalty area it is often just largely ignored!

theoneeyedman · 04-11-2012 10:13am

daniels.ducks wrote: »

If this happened on the sideline the free would have to be taken on the field. I'd award a penalty. I'd say the foul happened on the field in that case. Asked an assessor there a while back and he wasn't sure.

Methinks if you are giving penalties for the likes of this, it won't be long before there is the boot of a car with your name on it :-P

Squidgy Black · 04-11-2012 1:14pm

Probably a good thing I'm not a ref then! :pac:

LeoB · 04-11-2012 8:31pm

Brilliant thread. Well done the op. Not time to go through everything but

Incident #1:

The ball strikes a defender hits the corner flag and goes out over the end line. Decision?

Line ball If ball hits and flag its a lineball

LeoB · 04-11-2012 8:37pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

First one is a 45/65. Never a question of a penalty in my eyes...same as player being pushed out over endline as someone said

Second one is interesting. It is a technical foul: 4.34 'To delierately go outside the boundary lines to gain an advantage'. I would imagine it would be a free from the 13m line opposite where the keeper crossed the endline. I certainly wouldn't be awarding a penalty anyway because when you think of it the foul actually happens 'outside' the small square albeit off the pitch!

First one clear cut 45/65

Second one?? If he is being tackled I would say he can go outside the line. This often happens along the sideline where the only option is to run straight into the player in front of you. The rule 4.34 is this not aimed at lads standing outside the end line when a 45 is being taken and they want to get a run on the defender?

Squareball2010 · 06-11-2012 1:41pm

3 more I just thought of:

(a) A goalkeeper taking a puck out advances a few yards outside his small square before pucking the ball. Your umpire signals this to you - what is the decision?
-65
-Throw in on the 20m line
-Wave play on

(b) A player is running through on goal, gets inside the large rectangle and is hit with a fair and fully square on shoulder knocking him to the ground. He retains possession of the football while getting back on his knees. Close enough to the goal and with no support, surrounded by defenders he attempts a fist passed point but doesn't get enough power in it and the ball loops over the keeper and into the net. What is your decision?

(c) A defender under pressure right in front of the goal after fielding a high ball (from a 45) from under his crossbar panics and heads back across his own goal (cardinal sin). He is met with a strong but fair challenge and unfortunately carries the ball over his own goal line. Decision?

DDC1990 · 06-11-2012 2:49pm

a) 65. This happened in the controversial u21 Munster final afew years back, game was level (i think), Clare goalie stepped out of the square, Umpire signalled. Tipp got a 65 pointed it and won the game.

b) Kickout, no goal as long as there was no touch.

c) Goal.

rebel girl 15 · 06-11-2012 6:24pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

3 more I just thought of:

(a) A goalkeeper taking a puck out advances a few yards outside his small square before pucking the ball. Your umpire signals this to you - what is the decision?
-65
-Throw in on the 20m line
-Wave play on

I have a very strong feeling that this rule was changed at congress I'm sure - it was as DDC put it until last year, but now if a goalkeeper comes outside of his small rectangle, the referee throws it in on the 20m line - came as a direct result of the siton by the Clare supporters after the game

(b) A player is running through on goal, gets inside the large rectangle and is hit with a fair and fully square on shoulder knocking him to the ground. He retains possession of the football while getting back on his knees. Close enough to the goal and with no support, surrounded by defenders he attempts a fist passed point but doesn't get enough power in it and the ball loops over the keeper and into the net. What is your decision?

Free kick from where the player was when he struck the ball

(c) A defender under pressure right in front of the goal after fielding a high ball (from a 45) from under his crossbar panics and heads back across his own goal (cardinal sin). He is met with a strong but fair challenge and unfortunately carries the ball over his own goal line. Decision?

Goal awarded as the defender played the ball through the scoring space

antoobrien · 06-11-2012 6:38pm

Referee incorrectly records a score for Team A as being scored by Team B. Two minutes into injury time Team B is awarded a free, player asks what's the score. Player told score is A 1-12 B 0-14 (instead of 1-13 to 0-13) and takes the point. One minute later another free given to team B, takes the point. Referee records the final score as Team 1-12 Team B 0-16 instead of Team A 1-13 to Team B 0-16.

What should happen?

daniels.ducks · 06-11-2012 11:01pm

antoobrien wrote: »

Referee incorrectly records a score for Team A as being scored by Team B. Two minutes into injury time Team B is awarded a free, player asks what's the score. Player told score is A 1-12 B 0-14 (instead of 1-13 to 0-13) and takes the point. One minute later another free given to team B, takes the point. Referee records the final score as Team 1-12 Team B 0-16 instead of Team A 1-13 to Team B 0-16.

What should happen?

Well if the referee admits to being wrong he goes to the governing body to leave them make a decision.
If the losing team starts to give out they go to the governing body to let them decide.
Either way it will probably end in a replay.

fearruanua · 07-11-2012 1:32pm

daniels.ducks wrote: »

Well if the referee admits to being wrong he goes to the governing body to leave them make a decision.
If the losing team starts to give out they go to the governing body to let them decide.
Either way it will probably end in a replay.

this happened in galway last weekend. junior A championship hurling between cashel and portumna. cashel actually won the game by a point but the referee had it that portumna won by a point. he must have marked down a cashel point for portumna by mistake hence the two point swing.
the match is replayed this weekend again. yer thoughts???

Mountainlad · 07-11-2012 1:40pm

How come a techniacal foul inside the small square is a penalty in football, but only a 21 in Hurling? I've seen it happen and I juist don't get why the rules have that distinction.

antoobrien · 07-11-2012 1:54pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

How come a techniacal foul inside the small square is a penalty in football, but only a 21 in Hurling? I've seen it happen and I juist don't get why the rules have that distinction.

There's a minor difference between the two rules - any technical foul (by the defence) in hurling inside the large rectangle is a 21, whereas the football rule specifies that any defensive foul inside the small rectangle is a penalty, in the rest of the large rectangle its a 13m free.

Squareball2010 · 07-11-2012 2:26pm

antoobrien wrote: »

Referee incorrectly records a score for Team A as being scored by Team B. Two minutes into injury time Team B is awarded a free, player asks what's the score. Player told score is A 1-12 B 0-14 (instead of 1-13 to 0-13) and takes the point. One minute later another free given to team B, takes the point. Referee records the final score as Team 1-12 Team B 0-16 instead of Team A 1-13 to Team B 0-16.

What should happen?

As long as the referee admits his error and reports that to the board you'd imagine a replay would be awarded. Seems only logical thing to do really as was the case in 2010 when the referee incorrectly allowed Joe Sheridans goal for Meath to pip Louth for the Leinster football title. Should have been a replay there too but this is a slightly different case. Common sense should prevail btu you could see how it could happen!

Squareball2010 · 07-11-2012 2:31pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

How come a techniacal foul inside the small square is a penalty in football, but only a 21 in Hurling? I've seen it happen and I juist don't get why the rules have that distinction.

This is a great question. I used to always wonder this before also but it is one of the few minor rule differences between hurling and football as the previous poster mentioned. ANY foul inside the small square is a penalty in football i.e. any technical or aggressive foul results in a peno being awarded or at least should! Hurling then any technical foul inside the small square is a 20m free taken centre of the goals. It is treated the same way as any technical foul inside the large square in both hurling and football. If you think back to the drawn AI Final this year b/t Galway and KK, the referee awarded a 20m free centre of the goals when James Skehill was adjudged to have lay on the ball after making a save. Technical foul in the small square so 20m free.

antoobrien · 07-11-2012 2:39pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

As long as the referee admits his error and reports that to the board you'd imagine a replay would be awarded. Seems only logical thing to do really as was the case in 2010 when the referee incorrectly allowed Joe Sheridans goal for Meath to pip Louth for the Leinster football title. Should have been a replay there too but this is a slightly different case. Common sense should prevail btu you could see how it could happen!

The difference between the two cases being that the allowance/failure to allow a score is not grounds for an objection, whereas recording the score incorrectly is.

Squareball2010 · 07-11-2012 2:46pm

Just thought of one that happened myself in an underage football game this year which luckily had no bearing on the result. It is kind of a variation of antoobrien's earlier one with the referee giving the score to the wrong team. (Apologies if this is a bit long winded)

As the game is u12 - a smaller pitch is in operation with the smaller set of juvenile goals being used(a nightmare for referees and umpires alike trust me)!

Within the opening minutes a player takes a shot from out on the wing which is a high lobbing ball. The ball appears to just go over the crossbar for a point and looks to me to rest on the back of the net. I award and signal the point and the game continues without any debate or contention. The ball had in fact lobbed over the keepers head and under the crossbar for a goal or so I was told. Looking back (pardon the pun) it probably was the case.

At HT after giving both sides the scoreline I think it was 1-3 to 0-4 or something I was approached by that players father who was actually standing behind that goal at the time but hadn't signalled anything for that goal. He just politely asked me if I had mistakenly given the goal as a point. Thinking back to the incident I replied yes as I was convinced it had indeed gone over the bar and rested on the back of the net. He informed me it had actually been a goal and had asked his son and all was it a goal to which he had replied it was. An awkward situation to be in lets just say.

What would you do in this instance given it is HT and you admit you may actually have been mistaken?

A few GAA referee conundrums

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