Will I Get In Trouble For Providing False Information On My Irish Heritage Cert...

UCDVet · 31-10-2012 08:28PM #1

I can't prove it - but I'm pretty sure I'm Irish. I don't know my extended family and my parents don't know their roots any better than I know mine. I *look* kind of Irish.

And, I live/work/pay taxes in Ireland.

Anyway - I heard about the Irish Heritage Cert and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I went and ordered one - but I provided false information.
http://www.heritagecertificate.com/

I'm now worried that I'm going to get in trouble. My co-workers told me this was an official document and that it could be used to obtain a passport and what not (which is why it's so expensive).

Should I contact the website and tell them the truth now - or say my credit card was stolen and I never went to the site?

My name is URL · 31-10-2012 08:31PM

Go for it. It's a load of utter **** anyway

Nodin · 31-10-2012 08:33PM

UCDVet wrote: »

I can't prove it - but I'm pretty sure I'm Irish. I don't know my extended family and my parents don't know their roots any better than I know mine. I *look* kind of Irish.

And, I live/work/pay taxes in Ireland.

Anyway - I heard about the Irish Heritage Cert and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I went and ordered one - but I provided false information.
http://www.heritagecertificate.com/

I'm now worried that I'm going to get in trouble. My co-workers told me this was an official document and that it could be used to obtain a passport and what not (which is why it's so expensive).

Should I contact the website and tell them the truth now - or say my credit card was stolen and I never went to the site?

...as it entitles ye to feck all, I doubt anyone gives a feck.

seamus · 31-10-2012 08:33PM

It's not an official document, it's a souvenir issued by a private company through licence from the Irish government.

It does not have any legal recognition or status within Ireland, and while theoretically there may be some obscure law under which lying to get one is some form of fraud, rest assured you have not committed any serious crime and nobody cares that your certificate is a fake.

Legally it's about as valid as one of those "name a star" certificates, or "own a piece of the moon".

Where To · 31-10-2012 08:35PM

I have some magic beans for sale OP.

31-10-2012 08:47PM

seamus wrote: »

Legally it's about as valid as one of those "name a star" certificates, or "own a piece of the moon".

Wait. Are you telling me that there isn't a star called Boneyarsebogman and that I don't own quadrant G563 on the moon?

I've been scammed :mad:

MadsL · 31-10-2012 08:58PM

€40+ €5 shipping or €120

Jesus - have the debt paid off in no time.

Deffo need to bring back the million quid passport though....

MadsL · 31-10-2012 09:04PM

DISCLAIMER
The Certificate of Irish Heritage provides recognition by the Irish State for descendants of previous generations of Irish born people and /or Irish citizens. It does not confer citizenship or any other legal rights, entitlements or expectations to the individual applicant (whether right of admission, residency, citizenship or other rights). The granting of a Certificate of Irish Heritage is based on the information provided by the Applicant which the Minister has accepted at face value and is not an endorsement of the status or otherwise of the holder for any reason whatsoever.

One for everyone in the audience (world)

If they don't bother checking then what is the point of these. Oh, look I have a certificate because I paid €40. I also have a Masters, a Doctorate, a licence to practice medicine and to conduct weddings. I'm also a certified human to plant life translator and I am certified past life regressor...

Credit card + internet ≠ proof on anything.

I'll do you one for a €5 + shipping.

theholyghost · 31-10-2012 09:05PM

Embarrasing to see the state involved in producing meaningless tat like this.

I don't know if the word I'd use is "cheesy" but it reminds me of something the London Mint Office would come up with.

Heroditas · 31-10-2012 09:08PM

theholyghost wrote: »

Embarrasing to see the state involved in producing meaningless tat like this.

I don't know if the word I'd use is "cheesy" but it reminds me of something the London Mint Office would come up with.

I'd say Carrolls Gift Shop are raging they didn't think of something like this

MadsL · 31-10-2012 09:13PM

Heroditas wrote: »

I'd say Carrolls Gift Shop are raging they didn't think of something like this

What's to stop them printing one?

Canis Lupus · 31-10-2012 09:14PM

UCDVet wrote: »

I can't prove it - but I'm pretty sure I'm Irish. I don't know my extended family and my parents don't know their roots any better than I know mine. I *look* kind of Irish.

And, I live/work/pay taxes in Ireland.

I should be able to clear this up pretty quickly:

Were you born in Ireland?

If you can answer yes to the above question, congratulations, you're Irish!

senorwipesalot · 31-10-2012 09:15PM

If its good enough for Paddy Patrick,its good enough for me.
Im in.

MadsL · 31-10-2012 09:16PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I should be able to clear this up pretty quickly:

Were you born in Ireland?

If you can answer yes to the above question, congratulations, you're Irish!

You might remember a referendum which means this is utterly untrue anymore. :mad:

Today a constitutional right to citizenship still exists for anyone who is both:
Born on the island of Ireland (including its islands and seas).
Born to at least one parent who is, or is entitled to be, an Irish citizen.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-10-2012 09:19PM

UCDVet

you could save a lot of time and hassle by getting your doctorate* online too

http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/Free-Ordination-1-by-Cambridge-Theological-Seminary-by-NewtonStein.html

*you may have to lie a little

Canis Lupus · 31-10-2012 09:21PM

MadsL wrote: »

You might remember a referendum which means this is utterly untrue anymore. :mad:

Today a constitutional right to citizenship still exists for anyone who is both:
Born on the island of Ireland (including its islands and seas).
Born to at least one parent who is, or is entitled to be, an Irish citizen.

I didn't want to overly complicate my quip :P

UCDVet · 31-10-2012 09:22PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I should be able to clear this up pretty quickly:

Were you born in Ireland?

If you can answer yes to the above question, congratulations, you're Irish!

No, I was not born in Ireland.

Still, I feel as though I'm *more* Irish than someone who was born here and emigrated as a small child and spent their entire life in another country with another culture.

I knew people who called themselves Irish who had never even been to Ireland, much less lived here for years

Duggys Housemate · 31-10-2012 09:25PM

UCDVet wrote: »

No, I was not born in Ireland.

Still, I feel as though I'm *more* Irish than someone who was born here and emigrated as a small child and spent their entire life in another country with another culture.

I knew people who called themselves Irish who had never even been to Ireland, much less lived here for years

We do allow people to naturalise as citizens. You don't need Irish blood or birth just be legally here for a time.

Canis Lupus · 31-10-2012 09:34PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

We do allow people to naturalise as citizens. You don't need Irish blood or birth just be legally here for a time.

That's more of a passport/citizenship thing, it doesn't really make a person Irish

Duggys Housemate · 31-10-2012 09:35PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

That's more of a passport/citizenship thing, it doesn't really make a person Irish

There is no legal distinction.

MadsL · 31-10-2012 09:37PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

That's more of a passport/citizenship thing, it doesn't really make a person Irish

Oh, so the Californian teen who couldn't find Ireland on a world map, and whose granny married a Mexican is more Irish than the person who was born here and paid taxes all their working life?

Lovely.

Do you apply the same logic to American citizenship, that you are somehow not really properly American?

validusername1 · 31-10-2012 09:39PM

UCDVet wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I'm Irish. I don't know my extended family and my parents don't know their roots any better than I know mine. I *look* kind of Irish.

And, I live/work/pay taxes in Ireland.

If you were Irish, you'd know about it because you'd have been born/raised in Ireland. Clearly you're not actually Irish. Your family's ''roots'' don't change your nationality.

Canis Lupus · 31-10-2012 09:45PM

MadsL wrote: »

Oh, so the Californian teen who couldn't find Ireland on a world map, and whose granny married a Mexican is more Irish than the person who was born here and paid taxes all their working life?

Lovely.

Do you apply the same logic to American citizenship, that you are somehow not really properly American?

Sigh... stop taking it so seriously......

How about same American moving to Ireland and settling here and being naturalised. Is he really 'Irish' just cos he has the passport?

UCDVet · 31-10-2012 09:47PM

validusername1 wrote: »

If you were Irish, you'd know about it because you'd have been born/raised in Ireland. Clearly you're not actually Irish. Your family's ''roots'' don't change your nationality.

In this context 'Irish' is clearly meant to be 'of Irish heritage' - (as in, someone in my family tree was probably 'Irish'); since that is what the certificate would certify and not 'of Irish nationality'.

Still, if you want to get pedantic about it:

define: nationality
1 - The status of belonging to a particular nation.
2 - Distinctive national or ethnic character: "the change of a name does not discard nationality".

According to (at least one) dictionary/Google - where you are *born* has very little to do with your nationality.

MadsL · 31-10-2012 09:49PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Sigh... stop taking it so seriously......

How about same American moving to Ireland and settling here and being naturalised. Is he really 'Irish' just cos he has the passport?

Is he more American than the Irish person who moves to the US and gets an American passport?

Americans celebrate that. Yay, a new American.
Irish begrudge it, eating our swans...

MadsL · 31-10-2012 09:50PM

UCDVet wrote: »

where you are *born* has very little to do with your nationality.

Yeah.

Something about stables.

gobnaitolunacy · 31-10-2012 09:51PM

You could be O'Wursthausen for all they care as long as you hand over the quids.

opti0nal · 31-10-2012 09:55PM

UCDVet wrote: »

...but I provided false information.

Did you claim to speak Irish? Most Irish people do but don't. So if you did, then you probably are Irish.

Then again if you really do speak Irish, that would be so unusual as to bring your Irishness into question.

Canis Lupus · 31-10-2012 09:58PM

MadsL wrote: »

Is he more American than the Irish person who moves to the US and gets an American passport?

Americans celebrate that. Yay, a new American.
Irish begrudge it, eating our swans...

I'm not begrudging anything, you're taking my point from what looks to be an immigration POV. I don't care who holds an Irish passport or lives in this country (except for muslims, Eastern Europeans or teh blacks, doubly so for black muslim Eastern European people :P)

My point is that I could potentially move to Morocco and become naturalised there and whilst sure I could call myself Moroccan and have a passport to prove it, I'd forever be an Irishman living in Morocco.

It's that simple and I was just pulling your mans leg. If he wants to go call himself Irish he can go for it, I'll not lose any sleep over it.

EDIT: Do Americans celebrate when Mexicans get citizenship? :P

MadsL · 31-10-2012 10:56PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'm not begrudging anything, you're taking my point from what looks to be an immigration POV. I don't care who holds an Irish passport or lives in this country (except for muslims, Eastern Europeans or teh blacks, doubly so for black muslim Eastern European people :P)

*Steps over obvious troll*

My point is that I could potentially move to Morocco and become naturalised there and whilst sure I could call myself Moroccan and have a passport to prove it, I'd forever be an Irishman living in Morocco.

Err. You are confusing race and nationality. You would be Moroccan legally. You might also be an Irish national and hold dual-citizenship. Technically I could hold three passports in two years time.

It's that simple and I was just pulling your mans leg. If he wants to go call himself Irish he can go for it, I'll not lose any sleep over it.

EDIT: Do Americans celebrate when Mexicans get citizenship? :P

Yes, because most Americans realise that increasing the size of your country's population generally is linked to economic growth. Odd thing to say by the way.

Here's a picture of Carlos to (not really) prove my point. Congrats Carlos.

http://www.ragsdaleinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Citizenship_Party.png

SHOVELLER · 31-10-2012 11:05PM

Its dog**** and typical paddy gombeenism.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2012/1031/1224325931740.html?via=mr

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