New 2013 VRT rates up on BMW configurator

Probably just guessing to get people to panic buy 2012 stock

Ah FFS......:mad:

I don't believe that the gov't had made these decisions already and leaked it to the manufacturers a month an a half in advance of the Budget.

Nothing had been finalised as far as I was aware when I left the office on Friday, but a few manufacturers had started issuing pricing for 2013 anyway.

Just hope they haven't based figures on what they'd read on boards...


EDIT
Even worse than I thought if BMW's figures are correct, and the configurator is pretty poor on anythinng but a huge screen :-(

From my reading of the BMW site against my original estimates, looks like I was on the money for A&B, but C upwards is quite a large increase over what I had.

If anyone spots errors in the table below, feel free to update.

2013 CO2 My Guess BMW info CO2
A1 14% (no cars) Up to 80g
A2 15% 15% 81g-100g
A3 16% 16% 101g-110g
A4 18% 18% 111g-120g
B1 19% 19% 121g-130g
B2 20% 20% 131g-140g
C 21% 24% 141g-155g
D 25% 28% 156g-170g
E 28% 30% 171g-190g
F 33% 34% 191g-225g
G 37% 38% 226g and over

The Governement are giving them what they want with the registration plate changes, which is an absolute disgrace, the SIMI can't have it all their own way. Irish people buy rubbish cars as things stand even with the much lower rates of VRT currently enjoyed (for example 75% of 3 series are 316ds compared to over 60% of 3 series in the UK being 320ds) so that will never change no matter how low the VRT rate is, Irish people will always go for the cheapest possible way of 'going up the years' when it comes to buying new cars. One of the things worth noting with the new system (if what BMW says is correct) is that the gaps in VRT between the various CO2 bands will be smaller, which should narrow the VRT rates between petrol and diesel. This should mean that petrols will be less expensive relative to diesels from now on (and in some cases the petrol models will be even cheaper over the diesel equivalent than is presently the case), not that I expect it to make even the slightest bit of difference to the general public, who will continue to blindly buy diesel even when it makes no sense so as to save a euro a week on road tax.

Bastards..now's the perfect time to be getting rid of VRT since it's only bringing in €150 million nowadays.
But of course the government will continue to flout EU laws when it suits them while lecturing to us about how much we need the EU and we need to follow EU laws etc.

Paternal leave is another one they've just flouted last month.

Sobanek wrote: »

I think dropping VRT would have a dramatic effect on car sales, and actually they would get more from the VAT than the VRT. Maybe leave the VRT for cars that are less than 10 years old with the exemption of brand new ones?

Dramatic effect, yes, that would be one way of describing it. All worked out so well last time they did that, can't move for new cars being sold and dealers opening up now.

Sobanek wrote: »

I don't think you realise how the supply & demand curves work. Taxation has a huge impact on the demand. If I were to buy a car, right now, brand new for let's say... 35k. I'd be much happier to buy a 520D (with the VRT gone that's how much it'd be) than a 320d (That's what it costs more or less now with VRT)

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO

The "if we repeat it often enough it'll become true" mantra of the VRT IS ILLEGAL brigade, the ill informed belief that the removal of VRT will overnight change the demand for new cars and will have no adverse effects on the fragile supply/demand ecosystem of the second hand car market, or the silly large font replies?

I apologise, but to be honest we've had so many stupid, frustrating and circular discussions of the first two that I felt my only choice was to try for a plan C...

Sobanek wrote: »

I don't think you realise how the supply & demand curves work. Taxation has a huge impact on the demand. If I were to buy a car, right now, brand new for let's say... 35k. I'd be much happier to buy a 520D (with the VRT gone that's how much it'd be) than a 320d (That's what it costs more or less now with VRT)

Ironically when the price of most cars decreased in 2008, the exact opposite happened. I think the real reason for the collapse in sales despite the reductions in VRT has a lot more to do with how the car tax system changed and the Irish obsession with saving every last euro in car tax. The fact that dealers were giving significantly less for trade ins than before meant that it still cost just as much to 'go up the years' as it did before, so there was less of an incentive to buy.