Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

tayto lover · 29-10-2012 08:25PM

Looking forward to seeing the young lads live on t.v. tomorrow against Reading.
Should be a good test for them and a useful game for Frimpong as he battles back after another long injury.

Marty McFly · 29-10-2012 08:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing the young lads live on t.v. tomorrow against Reading.
Should be a good test for them and a useful game for Frimpong as he battles back after another long injury.

What channel is it on? I love watching Carling Cup (or whatevers it called now) games, get a good look at some players we dont see week in week out, players usually seem hungry as they have a point to prove aswell and makes for good games.

Galvasean · 29-10-2012 08:36PM

Sky Sports 2

batistuta9 · 29-10-2012 08:39PM

gosplan wrote: »

So unless Arsenal's defence are perfect ... and not just best in the league, but actually perfect ... it's going to be a case of looking shaky and 'same old story'.

Man, how unfair is that?

Soups123 wrote: »

When it comes to Arsenal lazy journalists will just rehash the normal,

1. Suspect goal keeper
2. Weak defense
3. Over elaborate on the ball
4. Try to pass it into the net
5. Physically out played by 'rougher' teams

It's just rehashed week after week by most journalists with no real recent analysis done to see if its still the same.

Usually the team with the least goals conceded are considered the better defense unless its Arsenal!

it not one bit unfair actually. and the journo's are rehashing the same stuff because it still appears to be there - this isn't the monday after the l'pool game with 3 clean sheets, a lot has gone on since then

did you see the norwich game? they went through arsenal like butter at times & if they'd made better choices with their passes + better finishing at times, arsenal would've been hammered

schalke could have had more goals too

qpr? gifting them chances at the end

even earlier in the season southampton had decent opportunities to get more than one, same for man city and who could possibly forget the two indefensible screamers scored by chelsea at the emirates

any of that an OT on saturday & you could be praying for only 8

i'd put the norwich game down to a blip - carried on a bit longer that i expected but - & hopefully thats the end of it now, because before that they were playing well enough but the defence was still letting up easy chances & not the impenetrable force it was made out to be

the whole Bould effect has been massively exaggerated in here, elsewhere also, they've improved but not as much as made out

the team with the least goals conceded has the best defensive record & usually the best defence in the league, but does a team that gives away more chances & opportunities to score and say concedes only 33 goals in 38 matches have a better defence than a team who only gives one chance away a match and concede 38g in 38m?

Mickeroo · 29-10-2012 08:45PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing the young lads live on t.v. tomorrow against Reading.
Should be a good test for them and a useful game for Frimpong as he battles back after another long injury.

I'm guessing he'll give Jack a run out at least if not a start. I'm not sure a start would be a benefit or a detriment for the united game.

Surely Gnabry will start, his cameos against Norwich and Schalke were about the only positives I took from those matches.

tayto lover · 29-10-2012 08:57PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'm guessing he'll give Jack a run out at least if not a start. I'm not sure a start would be a benefit or a detriment for the united game.

Surely Gnabry will start, his cameos against Norwich and Schalke were about the only positives I took from those matches.

I read somewhere that Wenger said he wouldn't use Jack in this game.
I thought Rosicky would be back for this too but it doesn't seem like it.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 29-10-2012 09:22PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

whenever i notice anything he says about arsenal it usually negative, is that why you think that? kinda thought the same myself before :pac:

can't remember where i heard about that story now, but didn't think it was mentioned in here. There could be something to it

Just constantly spouting tired, negative clichés, even when he was employed by the club for Arsenal tv. And now he's worse because he's got a chip on his shoulder about losing that job.

re. your other post. I don't see why judging the defence on the goals conceded is a bad thing. Surely it's the one metric a defence should be judged on. Sure we've given up chances and defended poorly at times but we've still conceded less than others at the end of the day and it's not like we haven't had any tough games.

batistuta9 · 29-10-2012 09:41PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Just constantly spouting tired, negative clichés, even when he was employed by the club for Arsenal tv. And now he's worse because he's got a chip on his shoulder about losing that job.

re. your other post. I don't see why judging the defence on the goals conceded is a bad thing. Surely it's the one metric a defence should be judged on. Sure we've given up chances and defended poorly at times but we've still conceded less than others at the end of the day and it's not like we haven't had any tough games.

it's not usually - as the best defence should concede the least chances, not have it by poor finishing by others - and we'll see at the end of the season

but the point i was trying to make with it is that arsenal have given up a lot of chances & probably are a bit lucky to have only conceded six by now, they're far from a tight ship defensively in reality, regardless what the numbers say now

Maire2009 · 29-10-2012 09:47PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

it's not usually - as the best defence should concede the least chances, not have it by poor finishing by others - and we'll see at the end of the season

but the point i was trying to make with it is that arsenal have given up a lot of chances & probably are a bit lucky to have only conceded six by now, they're far from a tight ship defensively in reality, regardless what the numbers say now

Man City have been pretty awful too though, and Man Utd are been opened at will. Chelsea as well.

WBA are the only team that have impressed me this season all round, but that's probably more to do with their financial limitations.

We're no better or worse than anyone else at the back - we're just not scoring at the other end lately.

gnfnrhead · 29-10-2012 09:47PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

the team with the least goals conceded has the best defensive record & usually the best defence in the league, but does a team that gives away more chances & opportunities to score and say concedes only 33 goals in 38 matches have a better defence than a team who only gives one chance away a match and concede 38g in 38m?

Yes. A team who concedes 33 has a better defence than a team who concedes 38. The idea behind defence is to stop the opposition scoring goals, therefore, whoever concedes the least amount of goals, has the best defence. It's that simple really.

Currently, that is us. It might not stay that way but as of now, we technically have the best defence in the league.

tayto lover · 29-10-2012 11:49PM

Bit quiet tonight so anyone want to try and work out these anagrams of Arsenal players of the recent and not so recent past -

1. spank big red men
2. damn save aid
3. woman tinker
4, me penultimate
5. all banal
6. i’m drab lay
7. sad toy man
8. a dry love aid
9. up loser man
10. ice park trivia
11. i’m all rigid legs

emergingstar · 30-10-2012 12:05AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'm guessing he'll give Jack a run out at least if not a start. I'm not sure a start would be a benefit or a detriment for the united game.

Surely Gnabry will start, his cameos against Norwich and Schalke were about the only positives I took from those matches.

Jack won't even be in the squad

Looking forward to seeing gnarby and eisfield

Pierce_1991 · 30-10-2012 01:05AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Bit quiet tonight so anyone want to try and work out these anagrams of Arsenal players of the recent and not so recent past -

1. spank big red men - Dennis Bergkamp
2. damn save aid - David Seaman
3. woman tinker - Martin Keown
4, me penultimate - Emmanuel Petit
5. all banal - Alan Ball
6. i’m drab lay - Liam Brady
7. sad toy man - Tony Adams
8. a dry love aid - David O'Leary
9. up loser man - Paul Merson
10. ice park trivia - Patrick Vieira
11. i’m all rigid legs

Last one looks very close to Gilles Grimandi, but isn't quite :mad:

gosplan · 30-10-2012 08:26AM

batistuta9 wrote: »

but the defence was still letting up easy chances & not the impenetrable force it was made out to be

the whole Bould effect has been massively exaggerated in here, elsewhere also, they've improved but not as much as made out

the team with the least goals conceded has the best defensive record & usually the best defence in the league, but does a team that gives away more chances & opportunities to score and say concedes only 33 goals in 38 matches have a better defence than a team who only gives one chance away a match and concede 38g in 38m?

So 3 clean sheets and we're impenetrable but then a few goals conceded and we're back to the same old story.

Can we not just be intelligent about this and say tht we're improved in tht department but still have more to do?

As regards your final point, it's ridiculous. Having a good defence is about gaining points not justifying some 'best defence in the league' tag. The defence hasn't been the problem this season though, the attack has, and anyone can see that.

12gauge dave · 30-10-2012 09:49AM

Is it fair to say that giroud and podolski are not quite doing the business as we would have hoped?

gosplan · 30-10-2012 09:57AM

12gauge dave wrote: »

Is it fair to say that giroud and podolski are not quite doing the business as we would have hoped?

You have to give them time. Look at Mata now compared to the start of last season. Look at Kagawa at Man U.

We are totally reliant on players new to the premiership and to the team, and that's where the problem lies.

30-10-2012 10:37AM

gosplan wrote: »

You have to give them time. Look at Mata now compared to the start of last season. Look at Kagawa at Man U.

We are totally reliant on players new to the premiership and to the team, and that's where the problem lies.

Nail on head sir. A big salary wont change the fact Giroud and Podolski are human beings trying to settle into a new culture and style of football at the end of the day. We have to be reasonable and give them time. Your spot on in what you say. The turnover of players has been Arsenals big foil.

Quote below from mad Gallas :rolleyes: I actually liked him as a centre back but when he talks the kind of waffle like below then its hard to take him seriously

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8210364/Tottenham-defender-William-Gallas-disagrees-with-Arsene-Wenger-over-trophies

Tottenham defender William Gallas believes former boss Arsene Wenger is wrong to dismiss the Capital One Cup.
The Arsenal manager claimed last week that winning domestic cups is less important than qualifying for the UEFA Champions League, despite the Gunners going seven years without a trophy.
But as Gallas and his Spurs team-mates prepare for Wednesday's Capital One Cup tie at Norwich, the ex-Arsenal centre-back is adamant trophies are everything to a player.
"To finish second or fourth is not the same as finishing top, as champions. It is completely different. You are so happy to lift a trophy - it is the real thing to do."
William Gallas Quotes of the week
"For me, a trophy is something you lift at the end of the season and I know it's a fantastic feeling," said Gallas.
"It doesn't happen many times through your career, so for me to finish second or fourth isn't the same as finishing top, as champions. It's completely different.
"You feel different because you are the best team - the best player. You are so happy to lift a trophy - it's the real thing to do.
"It is a long time since Tottenham have lifted a trophy and I don't know which one we are going to lift.
"But for sure we want to lift one - any one will be pretty good so we will wait and see."
Fighting

Tottenham are fighting on several fronts and bounced back from a draw against Maribor and a defeat to Chelsea to beat Southampton and move into the top four of the Premier League.
When asked if Andre Villas-Boas' team can win both domestic Cups as well as finish fourth in the Premier League, the 35-year-old defender said: "Why not? We have to be strong in the heart.

£5 free every week

Sign-up with Sky Bet they will not only give you a completely free £10 bet, but also a free £5 bet every week for the rest of the season! Find out more

"The manager is a competitor - he is a warrior - he wants to win everything. Every game, we have meetings and it's the same - he wants to win, win, win.
"We will try to win all competitions, but we know it's very difficult because we play so many games and some players are very tired.
"They play for the national team as well, so it's not easy. But when you are professional and you play for a big club you have to be ready for this.
"All the players know what they have to do. If they are tired on the pitch, they use their heads. That means they are very clever and have experience, which is very good for them.
"After our draw in Europe and our loss to Chelsea we had to win at Southampton. The manager talked to us before the game and said we have to try to get back to winning ways.
"We want to finish the season well, so it is very important for us to win - to try to win every game.
"We have to play Norwich next, which will be a difficult game. Then we have Wigan, so we just have to be on top form at home."

Its gas the way footballers in general will ask to leave and be more lured by a club playing in the UCL as opposed to one that plays Europa league or doesnt even qualify for Europe and yet manage to talk sh*te like this on occasion

I would doubt Willam Gallas believes what he is spouting but if he genuinely thinks lifting the beer/insurance tin is more important then playing European football at the highest level both income wise and football wise then he is seriously deluded and needs to be taken away by the men in white coats. Sounds to me though he is having a sly dig at 'the neighbours who were once his family' and is having trouble admitting that he left the stable where the better racehorses are kept.

Anyone who genuinely thinks winning a cup worth thousands over qualifying for a tournament worth tens of millions has had their brains transferred to their arse. Yes it would be nice to win the Carling/Capital/Worthless cup as it might generate a bit of winning confidence but if Champions league football came at the expense paid then it would be a terrible bitter pill to swallow

30-10-2012 10:47AM

If we won the League cup the articles would just change to how Arsenal haven't won a major trophy in 7 years. Also every journalist under the sun has now changed Wenger valuing top 4 > league cup as Wenger's only goal being to come in the top 4. Pretty ridiculous. All these journalists also ignore the stadium which was built in this period, the cost/interest etc.

gosplan · 30-10-2012 10:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nail on head sir. A big salary wont change the fact Giroud and Podolski are human beings trying to settle into a new culture and style of football at the end of the day. We have to be reasonable and give them time. Your spot on in what you say. The turnover of players has been Arsenals big foil.

Quote below from mad Gallas :rolleyes: I actually liked him as a centre back but when he talks the kind of waffle like below then its hard to take him seriously

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8210364/Tottenham-defender-William-Gallas-disagrees-with-Arsene-Wenger-over-trophies

Its gas the way footballers in general will ask to leave and be more lured by a club playing in the UCL as opposed to one that plays Europa league or doesnt even qualify for Europe and yet manage to talk sh*te like this on occasion

I would doubt Willam Gallas believes what he is spouting but if he genuinely thinks lifting the beer/insurance tin is more important then playing European football at the highest level both income wise and football wise then he is seriously deluded and needs to be taken away by the men in white coats. Sounds to me though he is having a sly dig at 'the neighbours who were once his family' and is having trouble admitting that he left the stable where the better racehorses are kept.

Anyone who genuinely thinks winning a cup worth thousands over qualifying for a tournament worth tens of millions has had their brains transferred to their arse. Yes it would be nice to win the Carling/Capital/Worthless cup as it might generate a bit of winning confidence but if Champions league football came at the expense paid then it would be a terrible bitter pill to swallow

In fairness to Gallas he says nothing about Arsenal there. He basically just says - 'trophies are nice' - and the rest was put together by some journo.

Frisbee · 30-10-2012 11:15AM

emergingstar wrote: »

Jack won't even be in the squad

He better fecking not be. It would be idiotic to include him at this stage. We've already brought him back from injury earlier than the doctors had set out, adding another game in such a short space of time would abysmal squad management.

tayto lover · 30-10-2012 12:13PM

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Last one looks very close to Gilles Grimandi, but isn't quite :mad:

Well done. It was Gilles Grimandi but I made a balls of the mix up.:D

Mickeroo · 30-10-2012 12:16PM

12gauge dave wrote: »

Is it fair to say that giroud and podolski are not quite doing the business as we would have hoped?

I don't think so. Podolski was great the first few games, taken a bit of a dip now, but he'll come good again. I think Giroud's been pretty good too, lately it's more a case of him not getting the service he needs rather than his own performances imo.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 30-10-2012 12:20PM

Full Arsenal squad (courtesy of Arseblog)

6 Laurent Koscielny
12 Olivier Giroud
14 Theo Walcott
18 Sebastien Squillaci
20 Johan Djourou
22 Francis Coquelin
23 Andrey Arshavin
25 Carl Jenkinson
26 Emmanuel Frimpong
29 Marouane Chamakh
36 Damian Martinez (GK)
40 Hector Bellerin
46 Thomas Eisfeld
47 Serge Gnabry
53 Jernade Meade
54 Ignasi Miquel
60 James Shea (GK)
64 Nico Yennaris

Frisbee · 30-10-2012 12:28PM

Martinez

Jenkinson----Djourou---Koscielny

Miquel

Coquelin---Frimpong

Gnarby

Arshavin

??

Giroud

At a guess?

Maybe Eisfeld to play on the left. Or Gnarby on the left and Walcott on the right?

Could always play Jenk at LB and Bellerin at RB to I guess but I'd imagine that above will be the back 7.

emergingstar · 30-10-2012 01:16PM

Frisbee wrote: »

Martinez
Jenkinson----Djourou---Koscielny
Miquel
Coquelin---Frimpong
Gnarby
Arshavin
??
Giroud

At a guess?

Maybe Eisfeld to play on the left. Or Gnarby on the left and Walcott on the right?

Could always play Jenk at LB and Bellerin at RB to I guess but I'd imagine that above will be the back 7.

I wouldn't mind seen Walcott up front less of the talking bout been a striker lets see

Pierce_1991 · 30-10-2012 01:45PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Well done. It was Gilles Grimandi but I made a balls of the mix up.:D

I sat in front of my laptop for half an hour last night looking at that word!

God I'm a loser

wandatowell · 30-10-2012 01:57PM

Has Podolski finished any games that he has started?

he always seems to be taken off after 70 mins?

Was walkin' around town earlier and had a horrible feeling that RVP is gonna bang a few goals against us this coming weekend

wandatowell · 30-10-2012 01:59PM

emergingstar wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seen Walcott up front less of the talking bout been a striker lets see

Absolutely, well worth a gamble. He can be a very neat finisher when he bends the ball around the keepers ala Henry. Whats the harm in seeing him tare at a defense. Cant be any worse than having him playing out wide right tbh

emergingstar · 30-10-2012 03:17PM

See a big debate across twitter about who is the better player wilshere or cleverly

I no I'm biased and all but surely that's a ridiculous question

Oregano_State · 30-10-2012 03:40PM

emergingstar wrote: »

See a big debate across twitter about who is the better player wilshere or cleverly

I no I'm biased and all but surely that's a ridiculous question

They're different types of players I think, even though they're both small, 'spanish' style ball-playing midfielders. Wilshire has shown more to date, but he's had more games with Arsenal than Cleverly has had with United.

It remains to be seen whether either of them will really push on towards becoming really world-class.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

Comments