English refereeing's darkest day?

Ares · 28-10-2012 06:57PM #1

A black day today for English football.

Liverpool with a fine goal in the 93rd minute disallowed for a wrong offside when none existed.

Fernando Torres sent off for a non existant dive after being taken out of it by Johnny Evans.

Javier Hernandez winner being allowed despite him being quite a bit offside.

This comes after notable incidents already this season, Jordi Gomez and Jonjo Shelvey's wrong sending offs, Robert Huth stamping on Luis Suarez' chest and countless other incidents.

At what stage does it end?

Its quite clear that the standard of refereeing isn't getting better. What can be done to make it better? Is a second referee needed?

Does David Gill's position within the FA make for a conflict of interest?

Today really should be Rubicon day for English football if the powers at be want to. I don't think they will however.

Quazzie · 28-10-2012 07:00PM

They normally even themselves out over the season but I believe for some teams they certainly get the good side of such calls. Any speculation as to why is mostly conspiracy theory in my opinion.

Prick! · 28-10-2012 07:02PM

Wasn't David Dein the chairman of Arsenal and on the FA board at the same time?

Turtyturd · 28-10-2012 07:05PM

A second ref probably would have seen 4 Chelsea players sent off.

allthedoyles · 28-10-2012 07:06PM

Well for offside , the game needs 2 extra linesmen ..........One to watch the last man and the other to watch the ball .

These 2 men also need direct communication.

Without ever studying science , it must be clear that nobody can focus their eyes on two different objects at the one time .

Leiva · 28-10-2012 07:06PM

Look this is going to be hard to sound unbiased...,

but there is no fücking way a club official should be vice chairman of the FA.
I would hold this belief if it was my team who had their CEO as vice chairmen of the FA.

Honest intentions or not they (FA) will always be open to such scrutiny and rightly so.

MUSEIST · 28-10-2012 07:07PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

A second ref probably would have seen 4 Chelsea players sent off.

a second ref might have sent van persie off for smacking luiz in face (I can do this sh!t too)

greendom · 28-10-2012 07:07PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

A second ref probably would have seen 4 Chelsea players sent off.

You're thinking Howard Webb, right ?

Jax Teller · 28-10-2012 07:07PM

Leiva wrote: »

Look this is going to be hard to sound unbiased...,

but there is no fücking way a club official should be vice chairman of the FA.
I would hold this belief if it was my team who had their CEO as vice chairmen of the FA.

Honest intentions or not they (FA) will always be open to such scrutiny and rightly so.

Did you have this believe when David Dein was in same position as David Gill ?

MUSEIST · 28-10-2012 07:08PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

A second ref probably would have seen 4 Chelsea players sent off.

a second ref might have sent evans off instead of torres

Turtyturd · 28-10-2012 07:08PM

MUSEIST wrote: »

a second ref might have sent van persie off for smacking luiz in face (I can do this sh!t too)

Obviously not, since you missed the point entirely.

Sergio · 28-10-2012 07:08PM

Refereeing as a whole in the game needs a complete overhaul imo!

dahat · 28-10-2012 07:08PM

What a predictable thread.........

Decisions go wrong,that is the beauty of Human judgement

Professional Griefer · 28-10-2012 07:08PM

Ares wrote: »

A black day today for English football.

Liverpool with a fine goal in the 93rd minute disallowed for a wrong offside when none existed.

Fernando Torres sent off for a non existant dive after being taken out of it by Johnny Evans.

Javier Hernandez winner being allowed despite him being quite a bit offside.

This comes after notable incidents already this season, Jordi Gomez and Jonjo Shelvey's wrong sending offs, Robert Huth stamping on Luis Suarez' chest and countless other incidents.

At what stage does it end?

Its quite clear that the standard of refereeing isn't getting better. What can be done to make it better? Is a second referee needed?

Does David Gill's position within the FA make for a conflict of interest?

Today really should be Rubicon day for English football if the powers at be want to. I don't think they will however.

Don't forget Arsenals goal yesterday was offside as well.

Leiva wrote: »

Look this is going to be hard to sound unbiased...,

but there is no fücking way a club official should be vice chairman of the FA.
I would hold this belief if it was my team who had their CEO as vice chairmen of the FA.

Honest intentions or not they (FA) will always be open to such scrutiny and rightly so.

Why? Wasn't the vice chairman of the FA a few years ago also a director at Arsenal?

Leiva · 28-10-2012 07:10PM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Why? Wasn't the vice chairman of the FA a few years ago also a director at Arsenal?

Yes but that was also a crazy appointment. It doesn't make Gills appointment anyless bizarre.

mike65 · 28-10-2012 07:12PM

I certainly think additional "assistants" at either end is worth thinking about, and that said extra officials are allowed to actual make a contribution (can't help but suspect they are for show in EL/CL games). The game has become so fast but are the refs any fitter than 15-20 years ago?

Prick! · 28-10-2012 07:12PM

Leiva wrote: »

Yes but that was also a crazy appointment. It doesn't make Gills appointment anyless bizarre.

But shouldn't Arsenal have gotten some biased decisions? Or it is it just because Utd get the rub of the green?

dahat · 28-10-2012 07:14PM

I think referees are great..

Howard Webb,top man,Mark Clattenburg,top man.......:p

Leiva · 28-10-2012 07:15PM

Prick! wrote: »

But shouldn't Arsenal have gotten some biased decisions? Or it is it just because Utd get the rub of the green?

I am not going there. If there is, or isn't influence then I'm afraid discussion it on the Internet won't solve anything.

My point is that an association that should be 100% independent and perceived unbiased should not be appointing anyone to its board that is also a board member of a club in the league it is over.

It's crazy and not seen in any other sporting organisation around the globe.

jaykay74 · 28-10-2012 07:16PM

:-)

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J. Marston · 28-10-2012 07:18PM

Howard has been on the slide for a while so we needed someone to step up and make the position their own, Mark did that. Fair play to him.

Prick! · 28-10-2012 07:20PM

Leiva wrote: »

I am not going there. If there is, or isn't influence then I'm afraid discussion it on the Internet won't solve anything.

My point is that an association that should be 100% independent and perceived unbiased should not be appointing anyone to its board that is also a board member of a club in the league it is over.

It's crazy and not seen in any other sporting organisation around the globe.

Are you sure about that? 100% sure?

Leiva · 28-10-2012 07:23PM

Prick! wrote: »

Are you sure about that? 100% sure?

Go on then.

Show me an FA organisation that has a VC who is also CEO from a club in the league it sanctions.

Rekop dog · 28-10-2012 07:24PM

You're all still talking about it after the games are over. All the newspapers/podcasts/tv shows will be debating this issue now during the week wheras if nothing controversial happened it wouldn't have got as much attention. Whether good or bad publicity I don't think the prem league decision makers mind as long as people are interested. Think this is one of the main reasons why they're reluctant to make changes.

LiamMc · 28-10-2012 07:30PM

The Executive Committee of football National Associations/Federations are made up of the Football Clubs they represent. This is both Global and Worldwide.

In England, the Premier league is run by the Premier League.
http://www.premierleague.com/content/premierleague/en-gb/about/who-we-are.html

The comparison of two individuals in similar posts that corrupt outcomes should emerge from both individuals is unfair.

Mr.Crinklewood · 28-10-2012 07:30PM

Other bad decisions today, Sterling not being sent off for a second booking and Torres not seeing red for the foul on Cleverly.

Prick! · 28-10-2012 07:31PM

Leiva wrote: »

Go on then.

Show me an FA organisation that has a VC who is also CEO from a club in the league it sanctions.

I asked you first, you can't do that.

You made a statement, prove your statement is right.

It's like saying that all squirrels are gay.

Soups123 · 28-10-2012 07:31PM

If we are calling out the Refs who made a mistake today and there suitability to ref future games then should we not be calling out everyone on the pitch who made an error. Should Ivanovic play at this level again.

It's a ridiculous statement when asked of a player that makes a mistake but its perfectly normal for a ref!

Fuhrer · 28-10-2012 07:32PM

Leiva wrote: »

Go on then.

Show me an FA organisation that has a VC who is also CEO from a club in the league it sanctions.

One quick look, shows me the French FA

I couldnt find a list of the Vice Chairmen from the Spanish or Italian FAs but id imagine its probably the exact same situation.

Washington Irving · 28-10-2012 07:32PM

Prick! wrote: »

I asked you first, you can't do that.

You made a statement, prove your statement is right.

It's like saying that all squirrels are gay.

Your logic is flawed

thebaz · 28-10-2012 07:33PM

the only reason torres was sent off was , was that king of the beautiful game, Mr. Pulis highlighted DIVING - what a great game we would have if everyone played like Stoke

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