Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

Lowry is no piss head thats for sure. He's a kid with a weight problem OK and remember he has lost about 2-3 stone since turning Pro.

gorfield wrote: »

he's now a tour star

Agree.

gorfield wrote: »

a multi millionaire

Disagree.

gorfield wrote: »

a soon to be top 50 player

Hopefully

And definitely a sound bloke!

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Prize money of around €2.3 million so far, wonder how his sponsorship deals are going. Im sure he's doing well on that side of things with the representation he has.

http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/players/playerid=36489/record/index.html

Ya close enough, but has been on tour almost 4 years now, know a former tour pro who told me in 2003 it was costing him approx £200k a year to stay on tour before making any money. So for Shane that's easily €1million of that €2.139 gone straight away. I am not saying he is not comfortable but I wouldn't reckon he is a multi millionaire quite just yet.

Maybe by the end of this weekend though, hopefully

AGC wrote: »

Good sponsors will cover a lot of the travel and expenditure costs.

€200k a year seems a lot to me

4 green fees every week on top class courses would fairly add up

I'd see 200k adding up in fairness.
Travel and Accommodation must be a massive chunk of it...

Su Campu wrote: »

RTE Radio 1 played a clip of an interview he did with an English journalist on the 8:30 sports bulletin this morning.

It's not Irish begrudgery, I'd love to see him do well every week. Yes the guy shot a 64 today and fair fcks to him for that, it's a great feat any day, but after a few nights out on the piss it's even more remarkable. All I was saying was that unfortunately sport in Ireland revolves around drink and the pub, and if he's going to do this every time he wins then it will take its toll in the long run. Not every pro goes to the gym after a win, but the top ones don't go mad for two nights during an important point of the season either. That's why they're at the top. Total dedication. If he wants to do a Des Smyth and just make enough money every week to live comfortably then so be it, but the guy has obvious talent which he could maximise if he decided to tone up and concentrate on being in the best physical and mental state every week. Two nights on the tear does not allow that. And whoever said that losing weight would be detrimental to his balance, etc. is totally wrong. Ask any fitness coach. Ask any sports psychologist too.

The negative comments I received sum up the attitude I'm talking about, in that most people see nothing wrong with it. They'd be laughed at in any other country. In fact we are laughed at.

You must be great fun to go out for a pint with.

Su Campu wrote: »

RTE Radio 1 played a clip of an interview he did with an English journalist on the 8:30 sports bulletin this morning.

It's not Irish begrudgery, I'd love to see him do well every week. Yes the guy shot a 64 today and fair fcks to him for that, it's a great feat any day, but after a few nights out on the piss it's even more remarkable. All I was saying was that unfortunately sport in Ireland revolves around drink and the pub, and if he's going to do this every time he wins then it will take its toll in the long run. Not every pro goes to the gym after a win, but the top ones don't go mad for two nights during an important point of the season either. That's why they're at the top. Total dedication. If he wants to do a Des Smyth and just make enough money every week to live comfortably then so be it, but the guy has obvious talent which he could maximise if he decided to tone up and concentrate on being in the best physical and mental state every week. Two nights on the tear does not allow that. And whoever said that losing weight would be detrimental to his balance, etc. is totally wrong. Ask any fitness coach. Ask any sports psychologist too.

The negative comments I received sum up the attitude I'm talking about, in that most people see nothing wrong with it. They'd be laughed at in any other country. In fact we are laughed at.

Yes he could lose a stone or two fair enough, but at least he stands up and hits the ball - kevin Na is thin - i would love to kick him in the hole.

The people in other countries laugh at us, after the hard work is done and they join us in the Irish Bar. Then they are dying to come to Ireland to play golf and meet Irish people, so let them laugh and send the sports psychologist of to Na whilest we laugh at them and win with Shane.

GreeBo wrote: »

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I'm not sure I have enough of an idea of what that meant to formulate a reply.
Is that you Oscar?

No, someone saying they laugh at us -that is a laugh. :mad:

He only won a tournament. People can defend Shane here if they want maybe I'll get an infraction for that.

If people are going on about Lowry as if he is a waster and then he shots a 64 - i think people can take the piss out of them. Fair game - But you don't allow that , fair enough that is your job - I think that is unfair on Shane.

That is "Oscar" over - abff you are bang on. I got it.

Su Campu wrote: »

I didn't call him a waster. I merely pointed out what he himself said in an interview and the fact that, if he really wants to get the most out of his potential, he would need to nip it in the bud a bit. If you were to ask any coach, any manager of any team, then this too would be their resounding opinion. Maybe someone should have said that to Alex Higgins, or George Best, early on in their careers.

But as I said, I'm talking to the wall.

Do you know, that Alex and George were alcoholics :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Somebody who has a drink is not an alco - Luke Donald drinks wine, he would want to get his **** together.

Su Campu wrote: »

Yes I do, but they weren't always alcos, and back then things were different. Footballers smoking fags at half time, etc. The science of sport was nowhere near what it is today.

I'm not comparing Lowry to Higgins or Best, but I'm saying they're an extreme illustration of my point. If you look at the top sporting success stories in Ireland - Katie Talyor, Harrington, O'Sullivan, McKiernan, Roy Keane - dedication and sacrifice are a common theme, and drink doesn't feature. This is where the bar is at, and hopefully Lowry can set that as his target. It's not like he had a few weeks off after his win. He's off to a tourno a few days later and has an important few fixtures to come. At this stage of the season, stamina is important, and he needs to in prime physical condition.

your extreme does a disservice to your point.

look up Roy Keane's real story. he grew out of it.
don't even put the words O'Sullivan and Golf in the one thread, like mixing Vodka and Guinness that.

this wont go down well, but i think tiger and now rory went too far with body building . the power Tiger had ended up killing his knee. I fear rory is going too far. he is young now. but watch this space.

Monty
Woosie

I know the game has changed - but raw talent overrides some of the stuff the hangeroners go on about.

Donald tried to build power and lost his game. he went back to basics drank a bit of wine and look what happened.
comparing world class speed and endurance sports is not a true picture. ok he needs to lose pounds - but don't be putting Alex and Shane at same bar. sorry heading for a pint with Shane (McGowan)

Su Campu wrote: »

RTE Radio 1 played a clip of an interview he did with an English journalist on the 8:30 sports bulletin this morning.

It's not Irish begrudgery, I'd love to see him do well every week. Yes the guy shot a 64 today and fair fcks to him for that, it's a great feat any day, but after a few nights out on the piss it's even more remarkable. All I was saying was that unfortunately sport in Ireland revolves around drink and the pub, and if he's going to do this every time he wins then it will take its toll in the long run. Not every pro goes to the gym after a win, but the top ones don't go mad for two nights during an important point of the season either. That's why they're at the top. Total dedication. If he wants to do a Des Smyth and just make enough money every week to live comfortably then so be it, but the guy has obvious talent which he could maximise if he decided to tone up and concentrate on being in the best physical and mental state every week. Two nights on the tear does not allow that. And whoever said that losing weight would be detrimental to his balance, etc. is totally wrong. Ask any fitness coach. Ask any sports psychologist too.

The negative comments I received sum up the attitude I'm talking about, in that most people see nothing wrong with it. They'd be laughed at in any other country. In fact we are laughed at.

Just a couple of points on this post:

- He won the Portugal Masters last Sunday week and didn't play last week, so its hardly as if he arrived straight from the pub onto the first tee in Shanghai this week. Therefore its hardly as "remarkable" as you have made it out to be that he shot a decent round today.

- By all accounts there was a fairly lively couple of days drinking for most of the Ryder Cup players after the Ryder Cup, Irish, English, European and even a few of the less God-bothering Americans. But of course drinking after a major sporting event (be it in triumph or defeat) is a phenomenon only found in Ireland :rolleyes:

- And furthermore, you're initial comment of "But that is Irish sports for you I suppose" is massively insulting to the huge amount of dedicated, successful Irish sports people, some of whom you actually listed in a later post. And Roy Keane, along with the likes of Shay Given, Brian O'Driscoll, Rory McIlroy, Pearce Hanley, Eoin Morgan, Gooch Cooper etc are all brilliant Irish sportspeople, just like the names you listed, who are known to like a drink or two. But that's Irish sport for you.

- I didn't hear the interview with Lowry but it was his first win on the pro circuit and from what another poster said it sounds like he may have learned something from this (i.e. that his celebrations might have been a bit over the top) But some people only want to see it in a negative light and use it to have a go at him

- The weight criticisms are seriously starting to get on my tits (or moobs if you like :pac:) We don't know the ins and outs of his training regime or how difficult it may be for him to lose the weight. In saying that, golf at the top level is such a psychological game that I hope he isn't worrying too much about the weight, because it'll only get him down in the long run if he struggles to shift it.

GreeBo wrote: »

sorry but I dont buy it.
He is a young, healthy, fulltime sports professional. He has managers and call afford all the trainers, coaches, nutritionists that he could ever possibly need.
There is no difficulty in losing weight.
Calories in < calories out and you lose weight; its not rocket science.

Indeed, and the fact that he probably has access to all those people leads me to believe that there may be more to it than just calories in, calories out like it is for most people. There's plenty of people with genetic issues that don't allow them to lose weight easily.