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Leg-Lengthening Surgery

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    saiint wrote: »


    grow up :pac:

    Did your mammy tell you to say that :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    gozunda wrote: »
    Heightism includes all forms of discrimination but then as you are quite obviously suffering from 'Big Man' syndrome or you are a superior being then you're feet don't actually touch the ground anyway. You didn't answer my last question btw why the 'need' to make derogatory comments - do you have a problem? Do share it should be interesting...

    I don't think of small people as people and as such I don't believe they have feelings much the same way as I couldn't insult a duck for example.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    gozunda wrote: »
    Did your mammy tell you to say that :D

    you do relise this is after hours dont you ? :pac: your on the wrong forum

    I don't think of small people as people and as such I don't believe they have feelings much the same way as I couldn't insult a duck for example.


    i agree with this :D

    also i wasnt replying to the OP's post haha
    if you had half a brain which i hope most small people do you'd see i never quoted the OP's post
    ive been quoting yours all along :L

    *awaits gozunda's rant*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Gotham


    I don't have any problems with the idea, but the procedure is generally not legal in most countries, I wouldn't trust the actual procedure until it passed some national standard, and from the documentaries I've watched, its not a perfect operation, your bones can be weakened and the doctors can malpractice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    saiint wrote: »

    you do relise this is after hours dont you ? :pac: your on the wrong forum

    i agree with this :D

    also i wasnt replying to the OP's post haha
    if you had half a brain which i hope most small people do you'd see i never quoted the OP's post
    ive been quoting yours all along :L

    *awaits gozunda's rant*

    For the benefit of yourself and your sidekick I measure in at 5.11. In this country that is above height for your information

    However I do have a child that has a growth disorder so I find your puerile and inane comments pathetic at best

    I was commenting the OPs topic - if you can't make any useful contributions may I suggest you keep up the day jobs as your career in comedy is doomed to failure

    Hope that is enough of a 'rant' for you...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    broken legs
    You do realize that a there are many types of "broken" bone ranging from a single fracture to complete fracture? Also, putting the bone back together with existing bone and the parts see each other and heal.

    From reading the diaries of the people on that site you talked about in your OP, it seems a lot of them just have screws tightened every few days. Very... guessey, and not very clear on how the process works. I've yet to find out how the bones grow the .5 inches, and it seems to be guesswork that makes it work?

    So far, I can only find it available in India and China. Why not England?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    gozunda wrote: »
    For the benefit of yourself and your sidekick I measure in at 5.11. In this country that is above height for your information

    However I do have a child that has a growth disorder so I find your puerile and inane comments pathetic at best

    I was commenting the OPs topic - if you can't make any useful contributions may I suggest you keep up the day jobs as your career in comedy is doomed to failure

    Hope that is enough of a 'rant' for you...

    this is after hours
    dont come here looking for sympaty cause you wont get any from me
    your 5ft 11? and your ranting about tall people
    will you cop on:rolleyes: its hard to believe you have a kid cause you act like one :pac: usefull contributions? again its afterhours

    insane comments? your pathetic mate seriously
    you really need to grow up ( thats not a pun ) you really need to get a grip on life pal :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    the_syco wrote: »
    You do realize that a there are many types of "broken" bone ranging from a single fracture to complete fracture? Also, putting the bone back together with existing bone and the parts see each other and heal.

    From reading the diaries of the people on that site you talked about in your OP, it seems a lot of them just have screws tightened every few days. Very... guessey, and not very clear on how the process works. I've yet to find out how the bones grow the .5 inches, and it seems to be guesswork that makes it work?

    So far, I can only find it available in India and China. Why not England?

    generally people in India and China are quite small


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Gotham wrote: »
    I don't have any problems with the idea, but the procedure is generally not legal in most countries, I wouldn't trust the actual procedure until it passed some national standard, and from the documentaries I've watched, its not a perfect operation, your bones can be weakened and the doctors can malpractice.

    Why do you think it not legal?

    http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/flu/A-Z/D/Dwarfism/Treating-restricted-growth.html

    I heard it mentioned for treatment of conditions like Perthes and similar. Where one leg can be left shorter than the other.

    http://limblengtheningdoc.org/Perthes_Disease.html
    http://www.lifebridgehealth.org/RIAO/InternationalCenterforLimbLengthening2.aspx


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    the_syco wrote: »
    So far, I can only find it available in India and China. Why not England?

    Theres over 20 places that do it for cosmetic purposes listed here, including Germany, France and the US.

    Its long been a procedure to correct uneven leg lengths, but its a hugely risky thing to be attempting for purely cosmetic purposes. I see one of the German hospitals charges $150,000 for it - Id well imagine they do serious psychological profiling before they perform it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Gotham


    BostonB wrote: »
    Why do you think it not legal?
    I guess I'm mistaking it for other procedures.
    I still seems very risky for people who don't "need" it though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    gozunda wrote: »
    ...I was commenting the OPs topic - if you can't make any useful contributions may I suggest you keep up the day jobs as your career in comedy is doomed to failure

    Hope that is enough of a 'rant' for you...

    Pulling your leg is what this forum is about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Gotham wrote: »
    I guess I'm mistaking it for other procedures.
    I still seems very risky for people who don't "need" it though.

    As is any surgery. Or entering a MRSA zone...:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Gotham


    BostonB wrote: »
    As is any surgery. Or entering a MRSA zone...:eek:
    Well I was talking about the surgery but I'm sure you knew that.
    I think it's more risky than a lot of surgeries, particularly since it might be unnecessary and the time involved is particularly long with substantial delays if anything goes wrong.
    It probably wont kill you but you but it might have cost a leg and a leg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    mod

    Right. Canis Lupus, gozunda and saiint - cop on and play nice or cards and bans will ensue.

    /mod


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    I'm 5'7 and would never get this done

    Yeh you always get the same oul slags like "short arse", "midget" or "Come here ya lil shíte ya", but at the end of the day they are all funny insults! I laugh along with them, lifes too short to be worrying about height issues.

    I would not go through the bother of a painful operation like this, plus you'd look a bigger eejit coming back a few inches taller...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,105 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Im not reading 12 pages worth so this has probably been said but if there's a chap who wants to purposely, deliberately and voluntary present his two pristine and functional limbs to be sliced open, broken and have a foreign objects bolted into them before months of pain and rehab and possible diminished movement just to satisfy some warped sense of vanity, then he needs the finest kind of slap that will rattle his brain and sting for a week, preferably delivered by an amputee or arthritis sufferer who would sell their soul to have legs like his.

    And to get some quack in India to perform it was well. At least when the gangrene gets him he's assured of a Darwin award.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    That said given the state of Irish hospitals/service and much of our medical staff isn't Irish anyway. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the quality of other countries medical staff or hospital. Considering we recruit over there. I've met some excellent non Irish staff some dire Irish staff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    DyldeBrill wrote: »
    I'm 5'7 and would never get this done

    Yeh you always get the same oul slags like "short arse", "midget" or "Come here ya lil shíte ya", but at the end of the day they are all funny insults! I laugh along with them, lifes too short to be worrying about height issues.

    I would not go through the bother of a painful operation like this, plus you'd look a bigger eejit coming back a few inches taller...

    Although below average height for an Irish male, you don't qualify as short according to the definition in this journal article, which states:
    We consider that an adult has a short stature when their height is at least inferior to two standard deviations.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2266651/

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056725030
    Taking figures from this rugby thread, the average male height is 177.5cm. Subtracting two standard deviations (2x6.3cm= 12.6cm), we are left with 164.9cm.

    Using those figures, an Irishman is not short unless he is less than 5'5''.

    All of this is based on the opinion of the authors of course, but I think that it's useful to put things in context.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    Although below average height for an Irish male, you don't qualify as short according to the definition in this journal article, which states:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2266651/

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056725030
    Taking figures from this rugby thread, the average male height is 177.5cm. Subtracting two standard deviations (2x6.3cm= 12.6cm), we are left with 164.9cm.

    Using those figures, an Irishman is not short unless he is less than 5'5''.

    All of this is based on the opinion of the authors of course, but I think that it's useful to put things in context.

    haah 5'5? feckin short arses! ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    saiint wrote: »
    this is after hours
    dont come here looking for sympaty cause you wont get any from me

    My daughter does not need your 'sympathy'. What is required is that all people are treated with basic respect and dignity. Making derogatory comments about physical characteristics is pathetic imo.
    your 5ft 11? and your ranting about tall people

    Yes indeed. why what height are you? There was no rant about 'tall people"' so please reread. My previous post points out the problem with the abuse and discrimination directed against those of less than average height but could well cover all such discrimination. . I may be of over average height however I feel no need to be derogatory towards those that may not be. I am interested why you feel the need to do so?
    will you cop on:rolleyes: its hard to believe you have a kid cause you act like one :pac: usefull contributions? again its afterhours

    Yes After Hours is for banter imo not personal insults or abuse of those of less than average height. There is a difference between humour and abuse btw.
    insane comments? your pathetic mate seriouslyyou really need to grow up ( thats not a pun ) you really need to get a grip on life pal

    Btw the word is "inane" - look it up. As said previously the comic asides don't really amount to anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    gozunda wrote: »
    My daughter does not need your 'sympathy'. What is required is that all people are treated with basic respect and dignity. Making derogatory comments about physical characteristics is pathetic imo.

    In order to fight for your daughter's rights, you go on the internet to scold anonymous posters who are gossiping and joking about surgery which will not be undergone by a man who may or may not exist?

    Perhaps there is a more productive way in which you could assist your daughter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda



    In order to fight for your daughter's rights, you go on the internet to scold anonymous posters who are gossiping and joking about surgery which will not be undergone by a man who may or may not exist?

    Eh No don't think so...do actually read my first post on this thread where I posted my own thoughts relative to the OPs topic, These issues are very real whether the person exists or not or whethet bill or bong wish to take the p1ss out of other posters...
    Perhaps there is a more productive way in which you could assist your daughter?

    More productive than challenging prejudice? - I think not...

    My post concerned the OPs topic not my daughters rights or otherwise. The wise cracking kids decided off their own bat to take potshots at this. That is their problem imo not mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Eriopis wrote: »
    .. or both could simply be related to self-confidence. As per your quote above (how people see themselves).
    Self confidence is attractive, and being tall isn't a prerequisite for that, although being tall may conversely boost self-confidence as per your quote (along with many other factors though).
    Still wouldn't help the OPs friend though, as having leg-lengthening surgery performed very much underscores the persons original insecurities.
    Eriopis wrote: »
    Yes, terribly, terribly serious.
    :D

    Correlation and causation are two very different things. It's a pretty big deal in science and, well, everything. But it's easy to get them mixed up.

    Some things 'just happen' to go together. They are correlated. For example; RICH people tend to have EXPENSIVE cars. They just 'go together'.

    Some other things are 'caused' by other things. Smoking *causes* lung cancer. That means smoking increases your chances of getting lung cancer; where as buying an expensive car does not increase your chances of being rich.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-confidence
    Positive self-esteem has been linked to factors such as psychological health, mattering to others, and both body image and physical health...

    self-esteem is affected by age, race, ethnicity, puberty, health, body height, body weight, body image, involvement in physical activities, gender presentation, gender identity, and awakening or discovery of sexuality

    The question here is whether or not 'confidence' is *correlated* with you finding a particular man to be attractive or whether or not it *causes* you to be attracted to a particular man.

    I'm old, fat, and boring - but I'm CONFIDENT AS HELL. Do you want to do me? Probably not.

    But the tall, attractive, rich guy at a club....well, of course he's going to be confident, he's tall, attractive and rich.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Eriopis


    UCDVet wrote: »
    The question here is whether or not 'confidence' is *correlated* with you finding a particular man to be attractive or whether or not it *causes* you to be attracted to a particular man.

    I'm old, fat, and boring - but I'm CONFIDENT AS HELL. Do you want to do me? Probably not.

    But the tall, attractive, rich guy at a club....well, of course he's going to be confident, he's tall, attractive and rich.

    I've a weird taste in men so it's probably not me you should be asking :D
    Anyway, of course I was being obtuse and playing devil's advocate for the sake of it, but I do think it should be consider whether height is causative of success, or if it is a correlating symptom of successful people (going back to the childhood nutrition thing I mentioned earlier), which then leads it to being used as a visual marker, sure. For example, famous jockeys are known for being financially successful, having gorgeous wives and being incredibly short. Famous film actors would be another group of men on the successful side (both financially and with the opposite sex) and also known for not being particularly tall on average. I still hold that it is success/ self confidence that will lead a person to be attractive, rather than height alone, but that height would be an indicator for a potentially successful person (so yes, being used initially as a visual marker, but if the rest of the criteria don't add up, height alone isn't going to help you much). Ultimately what I'm saying is, a tall egit is going to lose out to an average sized genuine charmer any day.

    Put it this way, do you really think you'd immediately get more action and a raise if you were two inches taller? You'd still be you, is what I'm saying.

    As for the "would I do ye" comment - it's a bit silly to compare yourself to a rich attractive tall person in a club - while describing yourself as old fat and boring. If it came down to a rich, attractive, tall man, compared to another rich, attractive, slightly less tall man, or even a rich, attractive short man, then it'd depend simply who I liked more, regardless of height.
    Bit of a moot point since the "rich attractive man in a club" does absolutely sod all for me - my "fwooooaaar" list includes the like of Jack Nicholson and Christopher Walken, who aren't conventionally attractive but sexy as hell, in my opinion, mostly due to their abundant self-confidence :D 'tis all about the mojo ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I'm old, fat, and boring... Do you want to do me?
    Eriopis wrote: »
    I've a weird taste in men
    UCDVet wrote: »
    But the tall, attractive, rich guy at a club.... he's tall, attractive and rich.
    Eriopis wrote: »
    the "rich attractive man in a club" does absolutely sod all for me
    UCDVet wrote: »
    I'm CONFIDENT AS HELL.
    Eriopis wrote: »
    "fwooooaaar"... abundant self-confidence biggrin.png

    Am I right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭Eriopis


    Am I right?

    Put a lot of work into all those quotes didn't ye :D
    hehe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Eriopis wrote: »
    Put a lot of work into all those quotes didn't ye :D
    hehe

    There is no work involved in multi quoting like that:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Eriopis wrote: »
    Put a lot of work into all those quotes didn't ye :D
    hehe

    No charge!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭ViveLaVie



    Although below average height for an Irish male, you don't qualify as short according to the definition in this journal article, which states:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2266651/

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056725030
    Taking figures from this rugby thread, the average male height is 177.5cm. Subtracting two standard deviations (2x6.3cm= 12.6cm), we are left with 164.9cm.

    Using those figures, an Irishman is not short unless he is less than 5'5''.

    All of this is based on the opinion of the authors of course, but I think that it's useful to put things in context.

    What height must an Irish woman be below to be considered short?


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