HMV force skirts on female staff, hair cuts for men and no tattoos

flutterflye · 24-10-2012 04:58PM

MadsL wrote: »

Empire Records

Oh I LOVE that movie
Not today, not on Rex Manning day

I started working in Xtravision years ago thinking it would be like that. It wasn't!
I wish there were more places like that in real life.

mathepac · 24-10-2012 05:00PM

thebostoncrab wrote: »

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/9629809/HMV-staff-must-hide-extreme-body-art-from-customers.html ...

Like who gives a FF, FFS.

Lyaiera · 24-10-2012 05:01PM

They'd want to have some decent lawyer lining this up for them. A change in policy as big as this would be considered a major change in your employment contract, which the employee has to agree to. And that's even if they signed up to a contract saying, "We can change this contract whenever we want." (Because such a term would never stand up.) They can do it for new hires, and anyone who is on a temporary contract. Anyone who is on a permanent contract can tell them shove their new rules up their bum.

666irishguy · 24-10-2012 05:02PM

This is a ridiculous move, sounds like it's an attempt like an earlier post said to cut staff numbers by making them walk the plank. Also I think it's a misguided attempt to make older people who may discriminate against tattoos or see a shop which employs people with body art in a less than positive light, more willing to come in and spend their money on overpriced box sets of vintage bands and back catalogues. The sad fact is that music stores like HMV who sell primarily CDs and DVDs are quickly being reduced to the roll of shops that just sell physical backups to what you already have in MP3. The day apple lets people re-download their library is the day record shops will die.

Solair · 24-10-2012 05:02PM

I've a protest idea:

Loads of skin head women and guys in skirts should turn up for work :P

ahnowbrowncow · 24-10-2012 05:06PM

who the fug wrote: »

Quiet happy about the tattoos and piercing thing, but then I am not of the market or generation HMV are aimed at and have no interest in their stores, so WTF are they up to ?

Why are you quite happy about the piercings and tattoos thing?

the_syco · 24-10-2012 05:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The same scruffy staff would be complaining if they lost their jobs that HMV took no measures to try and improve business.

I see it a way of cutting costs by having the tattooed ones leave on their own accord.

awec · 24-10-2012 05:16PM

flutterflye wrote: »

And which ones are "the silly looking ones"??
Who's to say which are silly?

HMV are to say, seeing as they are the ones employing them.

Silly looking facial ones.

awec · 24-10-2012 05:18PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

They'd want to have some decent lawyer lining this up for them. A change in policy as big as this would be considered a major change in your employment contract, which the employee has to agree to. And that's even if they signed up to a contract saying, "We can change this contract whenever we want." (Because such a term would never stand up.) They can do it for new hires, and anyone who is on a temporary contract. Anyone who is on a permanent contract can tell them shove their new rules up their bum.

This is wrong.

AeoNGriM · 24-10-2012 05:22PM

I understand everyone is a beautifully creative and unique little snowflake with your blue mohawks and your face full of piercings and your tattoos of flaming skulls and leather jackets playing electric guitars while getting struck by lightning and everything, but what the fcuk are you going to do AFTER college when you have to get a real job?

Be realistic ffs, most of you will end up working in an office somewhere where a shirt and slacks and not looking like the frontman of a grindcore band are requirements of the job. Do you honestly think that wearing your lifestyle on your face and head is doing you any favours in the job market?

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-10-2012 05:25PM

AeoNGriM wrote: »

I understand everyone is a beautifully creative and unique little snowflake with your blue mohawks and your face full of piercings and your tattoos of flaming skulls and leather jackets playing electric guitars while getting struck by lightning and everything, but what the fcuk are you going to do AFTER college when you have to get a real job?

Be realistic ffs, most of you will end up working in an office somewhere where a shirt and slacks and not looking like the frontman of a grindcore band are requirements of the job. Do you honestly think that wearing your lifestyle on your face and head is doing you any favours in the job market?

Clothes can be changed, piercings can be removed, most tattoos can be hidden with clothing. Relax, it doesn't concern you.

Casillas · 24-10-2012 05:27PM

AeoNGriM wrote: »

I understand everyone is a beautifully creative and unique little snowflake with your blue mohawks and your face full of piercings and your tattoos of flaming skulls and leather jackets playing electric guitars while getting struck by lightning and everything, but what the fcuk are you going to do AFTER college when you have to get a real job?

Be realistic ffs, most of you will end up working in an office somewhere where a shirt and slacks and not looking like the frontman of a grindcore band are requirements of the job. Do you honestly think that wearing your lifestyle on your face and head is doing you any favours in the job market?

Not everyone went to college, not everyone wants to work in an office.

If someone in a band has a day-job in a music shop - great! They might actually be able to help me find something that I'm looking for.

Seriously, when are we going to move past judging people on the colour of their hair and what not? If this tip of a Republic ran as a meritocracy, where people are hired and promoted according to their ability and intelligence, then we'd all be a lot better off.

MadsL · 24-10-2012 05:28PM

awec wrote: »

This is wrong.

How so?

Duggy747 · 24-10-2012 05:31PM

HMV

The "I wonder what I'll download tonight and watch" idea shop

24-10-2012 05:32PM

AeoNGriM wrote: »

I understand everyone is a beautifully creative and unique little snowflake with your blue mohawks and your face full of piercings and your tattoos of flaming skulls and leather jackets playing electric guitars while getting struck by lightning and everything, but what the fcuk are you going to do AFTER college when you have to get a real job?

Be realistic ffs, most of you will end up working in an office somewhere where a shirt and slacks and not looking like the frontman of a grindcore band are requirements of the job. Do you honestly think that wearing your lifestyle on your face and head is doing you any favours in the job market?

If you judge someone based on their hair style, tattoos or piercings then you are a tosser. It's sad that people think that in order to work in an office you should have to have a certain hair style and cover up any tattoo or piercing. Having a number if friends working in offices in America its quite shocking to see so many of their managers sporting piercings, tattoos and wild hair styles. I'd love if Ireland took a more relaxed look, there is no reason why someone working in a call centre if filing paper in an office can't have a lip piercing or their hair dyed blue while at work.

If people were more convened by how good someone was at their job rather than how they looked then we'd live in a far more productive country

awec · 24-10-2012 05:34PM

MadsL wrote: »

How so?

It is never, ever as simple as "not in my contract so I don't have to do it".

Employers are well within their rights to have an expectation that members of staff that interact with the general public are clean and tidy looking. I would be surprised if HMV had not already taken advice on how they can enforce this new policy.

AeoNGriM · 24-10-2012 05:34PM

Maeve Wonderful Mink wrote: »

Clothes can be changed, piercings can be removed, most tattoos can be hidden with clothing. Relax, it doesn't concern you.

Who said it didn't?

I have tattoos and piercings and once upon a time I had weird dyed hair and dressed in metalhead clothes. Point is I didn't complain when I had to change this to earn a living.

Casillas wrote: »

Not everyone went to college, not everyone wants to work in an office.

If someone in a band has a day-job in a music shop - great! They might actually be able to help me find something that I'm looking for.

Seriously, when are we going to move past judging people on the colour of their hair and what not? If this tip of a Republic ran as a meritocracy, where people are hired and promoted according to their ability and intelligence, then we'd all be a lot better off.

I'm not judging anyone, but the fact is people are judged based upon how they carry themselves. Corporations mostly don't want people who look like a circus sideshow, and there are plenty of employees who don't for them to choose from.

BTW, something like 60% of the workforce works in an office, the simple fact is that MOST people end up in one.

Deleted User wrote: »

If you judge someone based on their hair style, tattoos or piercings then you are a tosser.

I don't. Employers do though.

Larianne · 24-10-2012 05:39PM

seven_eleven wrote: »

But thats completely understandable and I think most people wouldnt want their nurse, doctor, surgeon, healthcare assist or whatever to be displaying a big tattoo all up their arm, or having long greasy hair hanging down and not tied back. Its common decency and hygiene in the healthcare environment.
They didnt try to implement the skirt thing either. I don't think any women wear skirts in the HSE anymore.

You'll see porters and heatlcare assistants with tattoos. I've seen a few student nurses with those neck tattoos and a half shaven head.

Some junior doctors don't tie their hair back, and some seem to be in competition with each other as to how high their skirts hems and heels are. In general, lots of healthcare workers wear skirts - dieticians, pharmacists, social workers...

Kinda OT, but on elective placement in the UK, nurses still where skirts/pinaforms. Was strange to see.

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

HMV isn't a music shop - it's a DVD/Blu-Ray/Games shop that happens to have a few CDs around somewhere if you can find them.

I think this is the reason for the change.. less focus on angst ridden musos, more into family(?)/older adult products.

planetX · 24-10-2012 05:40PM

I hope they'll stick to their new found prejudices and refuse to serve customers with tattoos, or (gasp) women in trousers.
The skirt thing really annoys me, who the hell do they think they are?

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-10-2012 05:48PM

AeoNGriM wrote: »

Who said it didn't?

I'm saying it doesn't. If other people decide to potentially hamper their chances of working in an office by dressing like Dracula, covering themselves in tattoos or piercings and dying their hair pink, it doesn't concern you.

stmol32 · 24-10-2012 05:57PM

The main thing that annoys me about this is not so much the imposed dress code but that the women have to wear DENIM skirts.

Martyn1989 · 24-10-2012 06:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you judge someone based on their hair style, tattoos or piercings then you are a tosser. It's sad that people think that in order to work in an office you should have to have a certain hair style and cover up any tattoo or piercing. Having a number if friends working in offices in America its quite shocking to see so many of their managers sporting piercings, tattoos and wild hair styles. I'd love if Ireland took a more relaxed look, there is no reason why someone working in a call centre if filing paper in an office can't have a lip piercing or their hair dyed blue while at work.

If people were more convened by how good someone was at their job rather than how they looked then we'd live in a far more productive country

My first job out of school was in a call centre, I had long hair and a lip stud and was told to keep the hair tied back and neat and it wasn't a problem. They also didn't have a problem with jeans and a band t-shirt on a casual Friday. There was another guy there who had an array of colours in his hair which also didn't bother them. Another girl I knew in the same company, different department was all out goth and had no issues. Theres a difference however in a worker in a call centre and a top management position in a multi-national.

When I got to college I cut my hair and took out the lip piercing because I didn't want to work in a call centre. I also felt I had out grown it, as in I wasn't 16 anymore. It just wasn't right for me anymore.

I would also be of the opinion that HMV are wrong on this one, but people are judged both negatively and positively no matter what they wear, 'You'd want to see that d*ckhead over there in the suit etc etc etc'.

A some what slightly similar story was in my secondary school, the principle for 1st and 2nd year had no issue with long hair tied back but the new one deicided it couldn't be shorter then a blade 3 or touching your collar (except 6th years who could do what they want), one of my mates moved school over it and the rest of us were left walking between the fine line of just touching the collar and being regularily sent home for a haircut. Seems stupid now but I was 15.

Faith+1 · 24-10-2012 06:53PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

tattoos and piercings are always clear indications of creativity and individuality, fact

or following or the heard mentality.

flutterflye · 24-10-2012 06:56PM

Faith+1 wrote: »

or following or the heard mentality.

What is the heard mentality?!

Or... now here is a crazy thought - maybe they just like to look that way.

Faith+1 · 24-10-2012 07:02PM

flutterflye wrote: »

What is the heard mentality?!

Or... now here is a crazy thought - maybe they just like to look that way.

Exactly, like the rest of the sheep. "You have a tattoo"? Wow very original.

^^^^^^Not you personally.

Allyall · 24-10-2012 07:14PM

His Masters Voice..

asherbassad · 24-10-2012 07:22PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

tattoos and piercings are always clear indications of creativity and individuality, fact

Really?

"So what kind of tattoo are you thinking of getting?"

(Him)
"Oh, something really original and creative like barbed wire or a Polynesian design around my bicep"

(Her)
"Oh something really original and creative like a rose/dolphin/butterfly on my shoulder or an ethnic tramp-stamp on my lower back"

:pac:

Toby Take a Bow · 24-10-2012 07:25PM

Am I the only one who thought Suicide_Circus was being sarcastic when he said tattoos and piercings were a sign of originality?

flutterflye · 24-10-2012 07:29PM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Am I the only one who thought Suicide_Circus was being sarcastic when he said tattoos and piercings were a sign of originality?

Yeah, fairly sure it was sarcasm.

Allyall · 24-10-2012 07:42PM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Am I the only one who thought Suicide_Circus was being sarcastic when he said tattoos and piercings were a sign of originality?

Nope, but there seem to be a lot who thought he wasn't.

HMV force skirts on female staff, hair cuts for men and no tattoos

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