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L driver · 21-10-2012 08:52PM

moy83 wrote: »

Thats a fact Bodacious , I was talking to a lad the other day that said he would never wean a calf until the morning of the sale because they never look aswell as when they are on the cow . I asked him was he in the SCWS and he said "thats for sure and dont we need every penny of it ":rolleyes:

All his scws money should be taken off him.

farawaygrass · 21-10-2012 08:55PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Have to agree with you here ... I know lads that neither dehorn or creep feed yet alone wean for 2 weeks prior to sale and the E40 is almost an entitlement in their eyes

the scws is the best thing the department could have brought into the country imo, if done right of course. put weanlings into slats sat, they were weaned out on fields according to guidelines, and there wasnt a pip outta them. other years they would roar the house down for 2-3 days. dont go to marts very often but must be terrible if just weaned that day. whatever about looking good straight off the cow, the stress in the mart environment can only set them back.

moy83 · 21-10-2012 09:01PM

L driver wrote: »

All his scws money should be taken off him.

I fully agree with you , and I think if these people started feeding a bit of nuts to their calves they would be pleasantly surprised with the improvement in the animal when it comes to selling

Bodacious · 21-10-2012 09:06PM

moy83 wrote: »

Thats a fact Bodacious , I was talking to a lad the other day that said he would never wean a calf until the morning of the sale because they never look aswell as when they are on the cow . I asked him was he in the SCWS and he said "thats for sure and dont we need every penny of it ":rolleyes:

Scheme is a very good idea but very badly managed/followed up

Some boys gettin away with murder and other what I would call good farmers that have always dehorned , creep fed and weaned end up getting fed up over a slight paperwork mistake/ non payment and pulling out of it as a result

Charlie Charolais · 21-10-2012 09:08PM

bob charles wrote: »

there was a big march for this in Dublin today, allow the bullock equal rights is the fairest thing. say nothing is the easiest form to fill;)

I love them all equally, regardless of their orientation....
But the other girls are giving him/her some stick over her big balls?

;)

moy83 · 21-10-2012 09:12PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Scheme is a very good idea but very badly managed/followed up

Some boys gettin away with murder and other what I would call good farmers that have always dehorned , creep fed and weaned end up getting fed up over a slight paperwork mistake/ non payment and pulling out of it as a result

Unfortunately thats this country all over , the honest hard working person gets away with nothing while the chancer is rarely pulled up on anything

saranac1 · 21-10-2012 09:19PM

moy83 wrote: »

Unfortunately thats this country all over , the honest hard working person gets away with nothing while the chancer is rarely pulled up on anything

I totally agree with you there moy83

vanderbadger · 22-10-2012 07:28AM

tanko wrote: »

I had calves of PAM last year, didnt think much of them to start with but they really filled out once they reached 6 months old. Have kept a couple of the heifers for cows. Never used CWI but he has a calving difficulty of 8%, dont forget to set the alarm clock!!

calf arrived this morning..bit of a pull alright not too bad, he seems lively anyway trying to get up

simx · 22-10-2012 07:34AM

vanderbadger wrote: »

calf arrived this morning..bit of a pull alright not too bad, he seems lively anyway trying to get up

had calves off PAM last year was impressed enough 2 heifers in calf to him this year,only 2 because they were the last straws ai man had,had another "easy" calving lim last year too turned out a disaster ai man said lot of lads got caught out with him,used mainly rhf this year on ch heifers and sh on couple of lm heifers just in hope of heifer calf was always told sh cows are meant to be great sucklers

simx · 22-10-2012 07:37AM

reilig wrote: »

We have never sold a calf that wasn't weaned during the time of the SCWS. Last year, a couple of days after I put it in on agfood that they were weined, we had an inspection from a dep of ag official. All was hunky dory with us but he had the same spiel about a lot of animals in the marts that were supposed to be weined but weren't. He said that once they leave the farm, they cannot go to that farm to inspect as a calf bawling in the mart is not enough evidence for them to prove that the calves weren't weined. He said that there was a legal judgement on it.

ill admit it we done it years ago straight off cow and on to mart but that was before scws,cows on to outfarm no listening to upset cows but alot of it was lack of space etc. all done according to book now

tanko · 22-10-2012 09:20AM

vanderbadger wrote: »

calf arrived this morning..bit of a pull alright not too bad, he seems lively anyway trying to get up

Thats good news.

just do it · 22-10-2012 10:56AM

vanderbadger wrote: »

calf arrived this morning..bit of a pull alright not too bad, he seems lively anyway trying to get up

Good stuff, it was a bull calf?

just do it · 22-10-2012 10:57AM

simx wrote: »

had calves off PAM last year was impressed enough 2 heifers in calf to him this year,only 2 because they were the last straws ai man had,had another "easy" calving lim last year too turned out a disaster ai man said lot of lads got caught out with him,used mainly rhf this year on ch heifers and sh on couple of lm heifers just in hope of heifer calf was always told sh cows are meant to be great sucklers

what shorthorn did you use?

vanderbadger · 22-10-2012 11:01AM

just do it wrote: »

Good stuff, it was a bull calf?

he is ya, not a bad calf i think, he was as stubborn as any char i ever had to get sucking but once he got going he had some appetite

simx · 22-10-2012 02:49PM

just do it wrote: »

what shorthorn did you use?

CZB

Richk2012 · 22-10-2012 06:02PM

Has anyone bought any of the Maternal Test Straws through Gene Ireland for 5Eur ?????
Ordered 50 of them this morning .
The main Limousin Bull i wanted had sold out already though :rolleyes:

tanko · 22-10-2012 06:41PM

Richk2012 wrote: »

Has anyone bought any of the Maternal Test Straws through Gene Ireland for 5Eur ?????
Ordered 50 of them this morning .
The main Limousin Bull i wanted had sold out already though :rolleyes:

Havent ordered any myself, the straws are good value but who knows what the calving difficulty of these bulls will turn out to be. Suppose trying them on cows should be ok. Elite Flag is a bull that caught my eye. Can you tell us which bull you ordered the 50 straws off?

Richk2012 · 22-10-2012 07:59PM

tanko wrote: »

Havent ordered any myself, the straws are good value but who knows what the calving difficulty of these bulls will turn out to be. Suppose trying them on cows should be ok. Elite Flag is a bull that caught my eye. Can you tell us which bull you ordered the 50 straws off?

20 Elite Flag Limousin

15 Elite Forever Limousin

10 Villablues Empire Belgian Blue

5 Goulding King Angus

Was looking for Brooklands Limousin but all his straws dispersed already

tanko · 22-10-2012 08:58PM

Good choices, hope they're lucky for you. EFZ looks to have milk and muscle in his breeding, hopefully he wont be too hard calved. WLZ has some serious breeding in him. I think he was bought for 30 thousand pounds.

Do icbf only weigh and linear score the calves of the Gene Ireland bulls or will they weigh and score all calves that a farmer has?

just do it · 22-10-2012 10:11PM

I got some a few as well:

LM bull Elite Flag (EFZ) x12 straws
CH bull BALLYLANNON FRANKEY (FYB) x10 straws

I wonder is a cheap gene ireland straw a false economy? Saving a fiver/straw and possibly ending up with an animal worth €100 less:(. I hope they're selecting them because they feel they will be good bulls!

I've a few due next Spring from the 2011 catalogue to the CH DZP and Simmental APZ. I missed out on the my first two choices from that catalogue so this year I ordered the day after the catalogue arrive ensure I got the ones I wanted;)

pakalasa · 23-10-2012 07:50AM

Richk2012 wrote: »

20 Elite Flag Limousin
15 Elite Forever Limousin

Both bulls from the one cow, Ardlea Coillte. They must think a lot of her to test two at the same time.

What is the story with the Ardlea and Elite herds. Who owns them? I see a few names associated with them. Not sure of the connection.
Please don't print full names, initials will do. Thanks.;)

Juniorhurler · 23-10-2012 08:19AM

Ardlea is owned by D.T I think. Don't know about elite.

Kovu · 23-10-2012 09:25AM

Had the hoofman in yesterday (Gab) to anyone in my area and the cow I bought last harvest that my father scoffed at, has the loveliest hairy LM calf. The hoofman reckoned he was for Elphin in Feb on the show day. Should I? Or will I get pic first?

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Username John · 23-10-2012 12:15PM

Fierce quiet in here these days... I suppose lads have better things to do...

Great weather the past few days down around these parts, nice dry days...

Richk2012 · 23-10-2012 12:29PM

just do it wrote: »

I got some a few as well:
LM bull Elite Flag (EFZ) x12 straws

CH bull BALLYLANNON FRANKEY (FYB) x10 straws

I wonder is a cheap gene ireland straw a false economy? Saving a fiver/straw and possibly ending up with an animal worth €100 less:(. I hope they're selecting them because they feel they will be good bulls!

I've a few due next Spring from the 2011 catalogue to the CH DZP and Simmental APZ. I missed out on the my first two choices from that catalogue so this year I ordered the day after the catalogue arrive ensure I got the ones I wanted;)

I know what you mean .
Almost false economy , saving a small amount on purchasing the straw and losing a big amount the day of the sale :rolleyes: .
Im proberly not the type of customer they are looking to do business with , but il try them in a few cows this year . The rest of the straws will stay in the flask until more reliable stats are given

Bodacious · 23-10-2012 02:04PM

This property register site where u can see back as far as Jan 2010 what houses in your area sold for... Is that the same for land ? Or do you guys/girls see this happening in the future in land prices per acre being compulsory published?!

Username John · 23-10-2012 03:08PM

Bodacious wrote: »

This property register site where u can see back as far as Jan 2010 what houses in your area sold for... Is that the same for land ? Or do you guys/girls see this happening in the future in land prices per acre being compulsory published?!

It depends on how the property tax thing works out... If there will be a tax / rates on land, then you might see a similar site.

Bizzum · 23-10-2012 03:50PM

just do it wrote: »

I got some a few as well:
LM bull Elite Flag (EFZ) x12 straws

CH bull BALLYLANNON FRANKEY (FYB) x10 straws

I wonder is a cheap gene ireland straw a false economy? Saving a fiver/straw and possibly ending up with an animal worth €100 less:(. I hope they're selecting them because they feel they will be good bulls!

I've a few due next Spring from the 2011 catalogue to the CH DZP and Simmental APZ. I missed out on the my first two choices from that catalogue so this year I ordered the day after the catalogue arrive ensure I got the ones I wanted;)

You would have to think that in their own right they would all be decent bulls, on par or better than many stockbulls out there. I suppose the big thing is just not knowing how each are breeding or what they cross best with. It's more of a gamble, but an educated one!

reilig · 23-10-2012 04:26PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Had the hoofman in yesterday (Gab) to anyone in my area and the cow I bought last harvest that my father scoffed at, has the loveliest hairy LM calf. The hoofman reckoned he was for Elphin in Feb on the show day. Should I? Or will I get pic first?

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Nice calf. Gay is probably the best hoof man in the country! He knows his stuff with cattle too and you will probably be competing with one of his heifer's if you bring her to elphin that day.

just do it · 23-10-2012 04:33PM

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Had the hoofman in yesterday (Gab) to anyone in my area and the cow I bought last harvest that my father scoffed at, has the loveliest hairy LM calf. The hoofman reckoned he was for Elphin in Feb on the show day. Should I? Or will I get pic first?

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Why not go for it. The worst that will happen is he won't win

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