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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #9902
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    6x4. hmm, offset against that E23 profit we didnt have in the first place leaves -1, but since we didnt have the 23 in the first place we can probably change that to +1 . Woohoo, ???? Profit

    Would that be classed as notional profit, just like notional income?
    having a profit based on figure ****ology without actually having a profit??


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    #9903
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    i burn election literature, i still vote. i burn bills i have paid. burning letters is not evidence of a crime.

    Maybe it was in a smoke free zone?


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    #9904
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Cool so its not illegal then brilliant, I am going to cancel my bins and start burning my rubbish instead since its not illegal. :rolleyes:

    Oh right, you consider the reminder letters to be rubbish.
    Fair enough then.


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    #9905
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Oh right, you consider the reminder letters to be rubbish.
    Fair enough then.

    So you still maintain its ok to burn rubbish do you?


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    #9906
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    I consider the household charge to be rubbish


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    #9907
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    stevedublin wrote: »
    I consider the household charge to be rubbish

    And that answers my question how?


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    #9908
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Would that be classed as notional profit, just like notional income?
    having a profit based on figure ****ology without actually having a profit??

    i think the technical term is conceivable, notional, potential, aquisition of proceeds (subject to a quango examination of term)


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    #9909
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    donalg1 wrote: »
    And that answers my question how?

    Your question is way off topic, this thread is about the unjust household charge.


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    #9910
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Maybe it was in a smoke free zone?

    in the spirit of disclosure i have been know to burn rubbish in the fire as well, all totally legally afaik (cheaper than firelighters)


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    #9911
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,268 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The troika informed us that they never insisted bondholders got paid, this was in fact insisted by the previous govt instead.

    Considering, firstly FG lied to us to get in power (not another red cent, etc etc) then, when they reneged on this promise, they claimed the troika 'made them do it' and they basically had to pay the bondholders (second lie)(third lie)

    To top that off, we've now clear proof that the troika couldn't care Less about a property tax, they've said so themselves. (the govt claimed it was in the terms of the bailout)

    As far as I can tell, the Troika was divided on whether to burn bondholders. The IMF didn't seem to mind but the EU and ECB were set against it.

    The current government hasn't given any more money to the banks since it was elected.

    But what does this have to do with the property tax? As I stated previously in this thread, I'd support a property tax even if the state's finances were very healthy and regardless of what government introduced it. I think its a good idea and goes some way towards creating a more stable taxation system.


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    #9912
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Your question is way off topic, this thread is about the unjust household charge.

    You started going off topic with your claims that it isnt illegal to burn rubbish, I am simply asking if you actually believe it, you however seem reluctant to answer this question and are continuously avoiding it. I wonder why that is. ;)


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    #9913
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    As far as I can tell, the Troika was divided on whether to burn bondholders. The IMF didn't seem to mind but the EU and ECB were set against it.

    The current government hasn't given any more money to the banks since it was elected.

    But what does this have to do with the property tax? As I stated previously in this thread, I'd support a property tax even if the state's finances were very healthy and regardless of what government introduced it. I think its a good idea and goes some way towards creating a more stable taxation system.

    why tax my house then? why not tax me? i pay it either way whether its my head or my home. IMO there is no other reason only that they prefer that implied threat on the roof over our heads.


    http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/real_estate/tax-liens/index.htm

    and dont tell me that could never happen here, politicians lie lie lie


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    #9914
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    But what does this have to do with the property tax? As I stated previously in this thread, I'd support a property tax even if the state's finances were very healthy and regardless of what government introduced it. I think its a good idea and goes some way towards creating a more stable taxation system.

    What about finances within households? which has an impact on dictating the finances of the state.

    At this rate they might aswell give up on VAT etc and just raise PAYE to 70% and be done with it.


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    #9915
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    As far as I can tell, the Troika was divided on whether to burn bondholders.
    According to donaldv1, it is illegal to burn things.
    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    The current government hasn't given any more money to the banks since it was elected.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/government-to-repay-e1-25bn-to-anglo-bondholders-today-336657-Jan2012/
    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    I'd support a property tax even if the state's finances were very healthy and regardless of what government introduced it. I think its a good idea and goes some way towards creating a more stable taxation system.
    Just because you think this doesn't mean everyone else does.


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    #9916
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    As far as I can tell, the Troika was divided on whether to burn bondholders. The IMF didn't seem to mind but the EU and ECB were set against it.

    As far as I can tell, and I can only tell by what was reported from the meeting this week, that the Troika said, they never insisted on bondholders being paid.


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    The current government hasn't given any more money to the banks since it was elected.

    AIB have given away how much to bondholders though, which they got from who in the first place?

    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    But what does this have to do with the property tax? As I stated previously in this thread, I'd support a property tax even if the state's finances were very healthy and regardless of what government introduced it. I think its a good idea and goes some way towards creating a more stable taxation system.

    Well, seeing as we have been told that the Troika told the govt they must introduce one, I'd say it has plenty to do with it!

    Regardless, I asked what you thought of our govt telling the people lies as to why they paid back bondholders, and why they lied on who, or why they 'had to introduce the property tax'?

    Enda not getting the deal on debt he had been promised, and the upcoming budget will be the end guys.

    They had a good run though.


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    #9917
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    dvpower wrote: »
    This really is pathetic stuff.
    Ghandee wrote: »
    Question for DV, Vlad, DNC and DXhound.
    The pathetic stuff I was referring to was ilovesleep referring to Germans as dirty and Nazis.


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    #9918
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    donalg1 wrote: »
    You started going off topic with your claims that it isnt illegal to burn rubbish,
    I never claimed that it isnt illegal to burn rubbish.
    The only rubbish on this thread is from the pro-property tax brigade.


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    #9919
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    stevedublin wrote: »
    Just because you think this doesn't mean everyone else does.

    Just because you oppose a property tax doesn't mean everyone else does.


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    #9920
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    stevedublin wrote: »
    I never claimed that it isnt illegal to burn rubbish.
    The only rubbish on this thread is from the pro-property tax brigade.

    Yes you did though. Do you really need me to quote your post where you said it isnt illegal to burn things?

    You seem to be talking a lot of rubbish now in all fairness, cant even answer a simple question.

    Again steve is it illegal to burn rubbish?


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    #9921
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    im worried now. is it actually illegal to burn rubbish in my fireplace?


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    #9922
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    im worried now. is it actually illegal to burn rubbish in my fireplace?

    Were the protestors burning it in their fireplaces?

    I should probably let steve answer that though he seems to know everything nothing about it.


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    #9923
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Were the protestors burning it in their fireplaces?

    i dont know, were they?


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    #9924
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Statistics show eight people at IRBC - which incorporates Anglo - earn atleast 300,000 a year. it pays 119 employees 200,000 and 16 staff 299,000

    then enda turns around and says Anglo has to be seen to be profitable so they have to up interest rates?

    lol and noonan wants to up the pay cap to 500,000 to attract international bankers?


    these people are so far away from the reality of life its scary.


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    #9925
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    If its illegal to burn things, then am i breaking the law when i run my gas boiler?


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    #9926
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    i dont know, were they?

    Obviously not, I thought you would know this since you were commenting on the subject, poor research done by one of the anti group what a surprise.


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    #9927
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    stevedublin wrote: »
    If its illegal to burn things, then am i breaking the law when i run my gas boiler?

    Seriously are you really that incapable of answering such a simple question. Ah well not much point in listening to anything you have to say anymore steve you obviously have no credibility in the things you say.


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    #9928
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    on a lighter note, 72 posts til the end of the thread. i reckon if we have a good argument we can knock it on the head before teatime


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    #9929
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    on a lighter note, 72 posts til the end of the thread. i reckon if we have a good argument we can knock it on the head before teatime

    Oh do you now, and why pray tell do you think that then.


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    #9930
    stevedublin
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Seriously are you really that incapable of answering such a simple question. Ah well not much point in listening to anything you have to say anymore steve you obviously have no credibility in the things you say.

    Okay then - burning things is NOT illegal, otherwise the ESB would not be allowed operate any of its thermal power plants and most people would not be allowed use central heating or fireplaces to heat their homes.
    Jebus, I cant believe I am actually playing along with your nonsense!


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    #9931
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Oh do you now, and why pray tell do you think that then.

    Are you alright donal?
    you seem to be rambling a bit today :p


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