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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #9812
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    dvpower wrote: »
    Yeah - but you'll only demand to know on an internet thread.

    can you now supply me with the lotto numbers please.


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    #9813
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    Deank wrote:
    They stated on the letter that the amount now due including late payment fees is €127 per property and this will continue to increase each month until the charge is paid.

    If your estate is not on the exempt list, it does not mean it is not exempt, they have a list of the criteria on their web site. The late fees are €1 per month, I think it's worth holding out.
    Deank wrote:
    There is a number on the letter to call if you have any queries, what course of action should I take? Ignore the letter or call the number on it stating the reason I won't be paying, but then isn't that confirming I am at the address that they sent the letter too.... Confused

    They are sending these letters out randomly, including to those who have paid, they haven't got a clue who to follow up on. Ignore this letter, or as you say, you're only confirming they are writing to the right person.
    dvpower wrote: »
    There will be further protests. Who knows - maybe the anti HHC campaign can muster a crowd as big as the Quinn family can. One can only dream.

    Like the crowd at the FG Ard Fheis!


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    #9814
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    dvpower wrote: »
    Specifically what forecasts are you referring to?

    unable to narrow down the post. however i do recall seeing a prediction made that by deadline day a certain percentage would have paid, the prediction fell short of the mark and the month and figure changed for a second prediction.

    but hey, unless i have specific dates, it must be running around making up lies, right?


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    #9815
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Slick50 wrote: »
    If your estate is not on the exempt list, it does not mean it is not exempt, they have a list of the criteria on their web site. The late fees are €1 per month, I think it's worth holding out.



    They are sending these letters out randomly, including to those who have paid, they haven't got a clue who to follow up on. Ignore this letter, or as you say, you're only confirming they are writing to the right person.



    Like the crowd at the FG Ard Fheis!

    My parents got two today, one adressed to my dad and one adressed to my mam. thats twice the cost to cover one house :confused:
    It stated "according to our records this address xxxxxxxx has not paid the HHC" so they got the address right and there names which suggests they got there details from somewhere.

    I cant think of a database what would have them both listed but separately at the same address as they have been married for about 27 years???


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    #9816
    Maggie 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭Maggie 2


    Hijpo wrote: »
    My parents got two today, one adressed to my dad and one adressed to my mam. thats twice the cost to cover one house :confused:

    I cant think of a database what would have them both listed but separately at the same address as they have been married for about 27 years???
    Do they have utility bills in seperate names? Like the phone bill in one name and the Electric in the other?


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    #9817
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    Hijpo wrote: »
    I cant think of a database what would have them both listed but separately at the same address as they have been married for about 27 years???

    Electoral register?


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    #9818
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Maggie 2 wrote: »
    Do they have utility bills in seperate names? Like the phone bill in one name and the Electric in the other?
    no not that i am aware
    Slick50 wrote: »
    Electoral register?
    Possibly but if money shortage is the issue and the reason we are paying this charge, why send two letters to the same house?

    Someone here informed me earlier in the thread that it costs €2 to send a letter. thats 4 euro per house that has not paid the charge, not to mention the ones who have already paid that they sent letters to for the craic of it.


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    #9819
    Slick50
    Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Possibly but if money shortage is the issue and the reason we are paying this charge, why send two letters to the same house?.

    Fishing! they're sending them out randomly, which is why even people who have paid are getting them.


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    #9820
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Someone here informed me earlier in the thread that it costs €2 to send a letter. thats 4 euro per house that has not paid the charge, not to mention the ones who have already paid that they sent letters to for the craic of it.
    The interest and penalties are currently €27 I think, so that's still a €23 profit.


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    #9821
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dvpower wrote: »
    The interest and penalties are currently €27 I think, so that's still a €23 profit.

    It would need to be a lot more than 23 e. Enda reportedly not doing too well in Europe tonight. Was he hearing things the last time?


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    #9822
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    The interest and penalties are currently €27 I think, so that's still a €23 profit.

    Profit?

    What about the deficit:confused:


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    #9823
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Slick50 wrote: »
    Fishing! they're sending them out randomly, which is why even people who have paid are getting them.

    Apparently they are using the Property Registration Authority (Land Registry) data. Some explanation also for people who have paid getting letters.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1017/1224325338834.html

    The new letters, sent to single-home owners, use information from the Property Registration Authority.

    “The data is in a number of different formats and it was a huge amount of work to try and match it. There has never been data matching like this done before, so there will be imperfections,” the spokeswoman said.

    Letters may be sent to people who have already paid if their address contains the word “Street” on one database but just “St” on another. Or, if in a rural area, a townland is used in one form of an address and a local village or town in another.

    Also this story is doing the rounds again. Fines Act to be updated to make deductions from wages and welfare. Seem to come round every few months but you never know.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/shatter-will-target-wages-to-collect-fines-over-nonpayment-of-household-charge-3262203.html


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    #9824
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Apparently they are using the Property Registration Authority (Land Registry) data. Some explanation also for people who have paid getting letters.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1017/1224325338834.html

    The new letters, sent to single-home owners, use information from the Property Registration Authority.

    “The data is in a number of different formats and it was a huge amount of work to try and match it. There has never been data matching like this done before, so there will be imperfections,” the spokeswoman said.

    Letters may be sent to people who have already paid if their address contains the word “Street” on one database but just “St” on another. Or, if in a rural area, a townland is used in one form of an address and a local village or town in another.

    Also this story is doing the rounds again. Fines Act to be updated to make deductions from wages and welfare. Seem to come round every few months but you never know.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/shatter-will-target-wages-to-collect-fines-over-nonpayment-of-household-charge-3262203.html

    One major flaw.
    But local authorities will have to go to court first --they cannot deduct the €100 charge from people's earnings directly.


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    #9825
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    dvpower wrote: »
    The interest and penalties are currently €27 I think, so that's still a €23 profit.

    Will it still be a profit after they fill the hole to the tune of 76 million in dublin?


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    #9826
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Hijpo wrote: »
    My parents got two today, one adressed to my dad and one adressed to my mam. thats twice the cost to cover one house :confused:
    It stated "according to our records this address xxxxxxxx has not paid the HHC" so they got the address right and there names which suggests they got there details from somewhere.

    I cant think of a database what would have them both listed but separately at the same address as they have been married for about 27 years???

    Some people in my area received worded letters-have your parents decided whether they will pay or not after receiving the letter ?


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    #9827
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Am Chile wrote: »

    Some people in my area received worded letters-have your parents decided whether they will pay or not after receiving the letter ?

    They decided not to pay


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    #9828
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Hijpo wrote: »
    They decided not to pay

    Fair play to them for willing to stand their ground.


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    #9829
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Am Chile wrote: »

    Fair play to them for willing to stand their ground.

    my mam said she would have no problem paying the council directly, the government have already shown they couldnt give a **** about waterford so the chances of waterford council seeing the money are non existant.


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    #9830
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    dvpower wrote: »
    The interest and penalties are currently €27 I think, so that's still a €23 profit.

    :rolleyes:Only in Ireland could someone think that E23 that they do not have is profit.

    you must be one of those creative accountants DV...


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    #9831
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    A new poll finds strong opposition to both property taxes plus water charges-Fine Gael voters/supporters are found to to be more supportive of proposed new taxes-meanwhile a majority of Labour voters were found to be opposed to new proposed taxes-a few of people Imcluding myself have said it here in this thread numerous times-Labour proceed with these taxes at their own peril and alienate your voters at next local/general elections.
    However, the poll also reveals strong opposition to the Government’s plans to introduce a property tax and water charges next year.

    The poll also shows strong opposition across the board to the Government’s plan to introduce a property tax and water charges next year. Asked for their views on a property tax, 66 per cent said it was a bad idea, 28 per cent said it was a good idea and 6 per cent had no view. Better-off AB voters are the most supportive of a property tax, with the poorest DE voters the most strongly opposed.

    Fine Gael voters are considerably more strongly in favour of Government policy on a property tax than Labour voters. There is a similar pattern on water charges in terms of class and party support, although the opposition to this development is not as strong. A total of 60 per cent said water charges are a bad idea, with 35 per cent in support. The best-off are again most supportive of water charges, with poorer people opposed. Fine Gael supporters give solid backing to water charges but a clear majority of Labour voters are against. The youngest 18-24 age category are far more opposed to property tax and water charges than older people, who are more likely to be affected.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1019/1224325459089.html


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    #9832
    D_murph
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    €27 more that they are not getting from me and counting...


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    #9833
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Am Chile wrote: »
    A new poll finds strong opposition to both property taxes plus water charges-Fine Gael voters/supporters are found to to be more supportive of proposed new taxes-meanwhile a majority of Labour voters were found to be opposed to new proposed taxes-a few of people Imcluding myself have said it here in this thread numerous times-Labour proceed with these taxes at their own peril and alienate your voters at next local/general elections.



    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1019/1224325459089.html

    Poll finds people dont want to pay more taxes. :eek:


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    #9834
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Poll finds people dont want to pay more taxes. :eek:

    It'll be hard to implement it when the 'vast majority' (66%) are strongly opposed to it.


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    #9835
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Poll finds people dont want to pay more taxes. :eek:


    thats not what it said,

    shows strong opposition across the board to the Government’s plan to introduce a property tax and water charges next year.

    i'm opposed to property tax, but not to paying more tax(even though it makes me a bit sick:(). i think many on this thread have expressed similar views.


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    #9836
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Ghandee wrote: »
    It'll be hard to implement it when the 'vast majority' (66%) are strongly opposed to it.

    I wouldnt imagine so, it will be hard to collect it but not implement it.


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    #9837
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    donalg1 wrote: »
    I wouldnt imagine so, it will be hard to collect it but not implement it.

    If enough oppose it, the govt cannot collect it, the govt will have to scrap it.


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    #9838
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Ghandee wrote: »
    If enough oppose it, the govt cannot collect it, the govt will have to scrap it.

    Ah I dont know there is a high enough percentage of people after paying the HHC for them not to scrap it so I dont think the property taxes will be any different really.


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    #9839
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    donalg1 wrote: »
    I wouldnt imagine so, it will be hard to collect it but not implement it.

    Yeah maybe for a competent government. If it didnt look like they were taking the country for a ride by leaving there own net pay and allowances and that of there buddys out of the austerity measures then they would get more compliance.


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    #9840
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    thats not what it said,

    shows strong opposition across the board to the Government’s plan to introduce a property tax and water charges next year.

    i'm opposed to property tax, but not to paying more tax(even though it makes me a bit sick:(). i think many on this thread have expressed similar views.


    Which means they are opposed to paying more taxes which is what I said.


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    #9841
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Yeah maybe for a competent government. If it didnt look like they were taking the country for a ride by leaving there own net pay and allowances and that of there buddys out of the austerity measures then they would get more compliance.

    I seriously doubt that people arent going to consider someone elses salary when deciding if they should pay a self declaration tax.


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