Man fined £355 for throwing 1/2 pint of beer over a noisy baby's head.

Madam_X · 16-10-2012 09:37PM

MaxSteele would you not deem an adult throwing a half pint on another adult because of something they could not control to be assault? Worse again when it's a baby.
Ok maybe a drunk person might throw a half pint on their drunken friend just messing about, but context is key (don't think anyone would appreciate it tbh).

Queen-Mise · 16-10-2012 09:37PM

1ZRed wrote: »

I didn't actually condone what he did. In fact I don't agree with it at all.

What I only found to be justified was not sitting back when a child is grizzling and shouting so the point of disturbing people around you. I've been on a bus from galway to Dublin late enough at night where the children were loud and behaving like brats. At the end of the long irritating journey the Dad got them off the bus and praised them for being so good and behaving so well. Wtf?

The fault lies with the parents in bad cases where they are behaving terrible, as in, far worse then just being unsettled -which is understandable.

You can't just let them off for behaving this badly behaved because they're only 15 months. I've seen fantastically behaved children that age and their parents are good at settling them if they pick up. Like wise, I've seen very badly behaved children with parents that don't say anything to them or remove them if they're really bothering other people. That's not right.

What this guy did went way too far and was bad, there's no denying that, but all of this should have been between him and the mother, who should have tended to the child and tried to settle it. Ignoring it or failing at calming the child, she should have left the pub.

I don't think it's fair at all to have to sit through a screaming child who ruins your day out. Being unsettled, that's normal, but if it's starting to bother other people a lot, then it's only the decent thing to do to try and sort it out.
You're in a public space so you need to take other people's consideration into account and not just your own.

The child was GRIZZLING not anything you said above.

From the FreeDictionary
To Grizzle:

1. (esp of a child) to fret; whine
2. to sulk or grumble

From Merriam-Webster
To Grizzle

intransitive verb
1
: gripe, grumble

From Cambridge Dictionary

(especially of a young child) to cry continuously but not very loudly, or to complain all the time

The child was not screaming, shouting, being badly behaved, or behaving terribly.

Chucken · 16-10-2012 09:38PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

Don't know many times I've admitted it was wrong, but picturing a stubborn old man pouring a half pint over grizzling baby's gives me the giggles.

But please, tell me more on how I will become a future child killer because of my heinous humor.....

I'd love to, but I have a life to lead. Take care now, under your bridge.

dj jarvis · 16-10-2012 09:40PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes they paid for the privilege to eat and drink but not to take over the whole pub with noise.

If they didn't have the child present with them this would not have happened.

How many pubs have baby changing facilities?

How many pubs have strapped in high chairs to cater for children?

The above explains it.

you dont get out much do you ?

MAJORITY of pubs serve food with drink , seeing she had a child with her you can assume it was during the day

children are welcome into pubs until 7pm , you don't want to hear a child cry ?
then stay the f2uk out of the pub untill after 7pm

loads of pubs that SERVE FOOD have high chairs - what planet do you live on ?

seriously - if you think that parents with children should not have the same right to get something to eat in a pub becasue it might upset you - then you are a moron , just like the old ****er that poured the pint on the child

i have come across some retarded opinions on Ah , but this thread really takes the piss

people are really debating if this was a good thing or not ???

i repeat - i would have stamped all over the ****er - let see him try it with a adult

anyone that agrees with his action has a mental illness and need to cop the f2ck on

MaxSteele · 16-10-2012 09:43PM

Madam_X wrote: »

MaxSteele would you not deem an adult throwing a half pint on another adult following because of something they could not control to be assault? Worse again when it's a baby.
Ok maybe a drunk person messing might throw a half pint on their friend just messing about, but context is key (don't think anyone would appreciate it tbh).

A fully grown, mature adult pressing assault charges because someone threw a drink over them in an argument ? No I wouldn't regard it as assault, but I'm sure everyone else would regard the victim as a complete numpty who can't fight there own battles or brush it off as something trivial.

A baby(yeah I know I shouldn't be laughing) is a different case altogether. It's defenceless and he should be charged with something or fined. But I can't see physical harm in this case, other than agitating an already upset child.

dark crystal · 16-10-2012 09:43PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

There's the superiority complex coming out again. No use arguing with a monumental prick who see's the irish as a horrible, miserable bunch.

In fairness, there is a fair few child-bashing threads that come up on this forum frequently. Some of the replies on this thread alone could lead someone to view us as a horrible, miserable bunch alright. Which is a shame.

MaxSteele · 16-10-2012 09:48PM

Chucken wrote: »

I'd love to, but I have a life to lead. Take care now, under your bridge.

Yet here you are with more than double the number of posts I have and joined a year later than me.

Try not bitch and moan next time you meet someone who's sense of humor enrages you.

Boombastic · 16-10-2012 09:50PM

Queen-Mise wrote: »

The child was GRIZZLING not anything you said above.

From the FreeDictionary
To Grizzle:

From Merriam-Webster
To Grizzle

From Cambridge Dictionary

The child was not screaming, shouting, being badly behaved, or behaving terribly.

the other linked article from the daily mail says 'sobbing' can you also define this for us please

MaxSteele · 16-10-2012 09:51PM

dark crystal wrote: »

In fairness, there is a fair few child-bashing threads that come up on this forum frequently. Some of the replies on this thread alone could lead someone to view us as a horrible, miserable bunch alright. Which is a shame.

I really don't see what's wrong in finding something funny, yet unacceptable.

It's a lot more light hearted than your one who got 99 years for beating her child to death. Where's the outrage at that in AH ?

Chucken · 16-10-2012 09:51PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

Yet here you are with more than double the number of posts I have and joined a year later than me.

Try not bitch and moan next time you meet someone who's sense of humor enrages you.

I fail to see what my post count has to do with anything?

..and trust me, I have a sense of humour. Im not the only one who thinks its NOT funny to throw beer on a baby. Do you not see that????

FanadMan · 16-10-2012 09:52PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

Yet here you are with more than double the number of posts I have and joined a year later than me.

Try not bitch and moan next time you meet someone who's sense of humor enrages you.

Is that what you call it?

dark crystal · 16-10-2012 09:53PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

I really don't see what's wrong in finding something funny, yet unacceptable.

It's a lot more light hearted than your one who got 99 years for beating her child to death. Where's the outrage at that in AH ?

There was a thread posted about that case already and there was plenty of outrage as I recall.

Madam_X · 16-10-2012 09:54PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

I really don't see what's wrong in finding something funny, yet unacceptable.

It's a lot more light hearted than your one who got 99 years for beating her child to death. Where's the outrage at that in AH ?

There's a thread from a few days ago on a mother who got 99 years for torturing her daughter - child thankfully didn't die though.

MaxSteele · 16-10-2012 09:55PM

Chucken wrote: »

I fail to see what my post count has to do with anything?

..and trust me, I have a sense of humour. Im not the only one who thinks its NOT funny to throw beer on a baby. Do you not see that????

You made it clear I had no life or whatever, yet seem to be more active here than I am. Ironic to say the least.

I'd react the same way any parent would although very hypocritical of me.

And do you not see that many others found it funny ? Doesn't mean we condone child cruelty. Lighten up for goodness sake.

Boombastic · 16-10-2012 09:55PM

This is the CCTV image they released in the hunt for the man

Is his shirt unbuttoned? :pac:

K-9 · 16-10-2012 09:58PM

2 Toddlers throwing a tantrum

MaxSteele · 16-10-2012 09:59PM

FanadMan wrote: »

Is that what you call it?

No I call it my Dark Passenger like Michael C Hall in Dexter :rolleyes:

Go on expand your theory a little there buddy.

Ellis Dee · 16-10-2012 10:02PM

The brave Mr. Polak, who poured a glass of beer on the head of a 15-month-old baby, is now 65. In about 15 years' time he will be 80 and his victim just over 16. If that teenager were to seek out the 80-year-old bully who did such a cowardly thing to a helpless child and kick seven colours of shit out of him, no doubt there would be a lot of tut-tutting about an old and defenceless man ---:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

FanadMan · 16-10-2012 10:12PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

No I call it my Dark Passenger like Michael C Hall in Dexter :rolleyes:

Go on expand your theory a little there buddy.

For a start, I'm not or don't think I'd ever want to be your buddy.

Personally, anyone who would throw beer at a baby is obviously not mentally well. And as for anyone that finds it funny.......well, seeing as you seem to base your humor on a psychopath like Dexter Morgan - nuff said. Think you and the old guy would have a great time together. Just imagine the fun you'd both have in a creche with a couple of crates of beer!

Queen-Mise · 16-10-2012 10:15PM

Boombastic wrote: »

the other linked article from the daily mail says 'sobbing' can you also define this for us please

I think people know what sobbing means - but by the comments on grizzling they obviously didn't.

Anyway here is the link for google so you can search yourself:

http://www.google.ie

or

http://www.google.com

dj jarvis · 16-10-2012 10:17PM

i just dont get people like this grumpy old fart - if something is annoying you so much that it makes you pour a pint onto a toddler then leave - go - punch a wall , do something, but not what he done.

everyone has reactions and urges, but balanced people deal with them in a socially acceptable way.

EVERYONE know that to react the way he did to a child is just wrong , full stop - so for him to proceed as he did shows, in my opinion a immaturity you would not expect from a "man" his age.

FFS , i was at dublin airport yesterday , and not 5 feet away from me was jedward , facing away from me , to say i had the urge to slap both heads together like eggs is a serious understatement , but i fought the urge :mad:
i might have gotten a medal for my actions seeing who it was , but i still know its wrong to act like that

so what is this dickheads problem? it was a baby !!!!!:eek:

vitani · 16-10-2012 10:17PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

A fully grown, mature adult pressing assault charges because someone threw a drink over them in an argument ? No I wouldn't regard it as assault, but I'm sure everyone else would regard the victim as a complete numpty who can't fight there own battles or brush it off as something trivial.

A baby(yeah I know I shouldn't be laughing) is a different case altogether. It's defenceless and he should be charged with something or fined. But I can't see physical harm in this case, other than agitating an already upset child.

No, you shouldn't. Would you find it funny if he'd poured a pint over an adult with a mental disability that caused them to make noise? Or should they all stay at home as well?

What that man did is disgusting.

Boombastic · 16-10-2012 10:19PM

Queen-Mise wrote: »

I think people know what sobbing means - but by the comments on grizzling they obviously didn't.

Anyway here is the link for google so you can search yourself:

http://www.google.ie

or

http://www.google.com

sobbing present participle of sob (Verb)
Cry noisily, making loud, convulsive gasps.
Say while crying noisily

sob (sb)
v. sobbed, sob·bing, sobs
v.intr.
1. To weep aloud with convulsive gasping; cry uncontrollably. See Synonyms at cry.
2. To make a sound resembling that of loud weeping.

Queen-Mise · 16-10-2012 10:24PM

Well done Boombastic. Thanks for informing us all.

Now look up socially insensitive twats who laugh at babies being abused in public.

Boombastic · 16-10-2012 10:27PM

Queen-Mise wrote: »

Well done Boombastic. Thanks for informing us all.

Now look up socially insensitive twats who laugh at babies being abused in public.

Nothing like the righteous indignation of parents who think everyone else should be tolerant of little Johnny, while at the same time neglecting responsible parenting and bringing children in to an adult environment because they are entitled to

MaxSteele · 16-10-2012 10:29PM

FanadMan wrote: »

For a start, I'm not or don't think I'd ever want to be your buddy.

Personally, anyone who would throw beer at a baby is obviously not mentally well. And as for anyone that finds it funny.......well, seeing as you seem to base your humor on a psychopath like Dexter Morgan - nuff said. Think you and the old guy would have a great time together. Just imagine the fun you'd both have in a creche with a couple of crates of beer!

Well I've never and will never do that. I laugh at a baby getting beer on it's head and get called a "sociopath" by one and compared to Dexter by you.

It's gas how worked up some of you get over a a baby's wet head.

I'm just thankful I don't have to endure this level of trivial bitching and dryness on a daily basis.

Sure I'll PM you when we hit up the next creche.

Cienciano · 16-10-2012 10:31PM

Anyone that throws a pint over a baby deserves more than a £355 fine. Did he think that would teach the baby a lesson and it would stop crying? Idiot.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Hmmm. Me thinks you be immature. Oh wait, I see you are a mod for call of duty forum :pac:

Shammy is also a mod of the call of duty forum, he has 4 kids

MaxSteele · 16-10-2012 10:36PM

vitani wrote: »

No, you shouldn't. Would you find it funny if he'd poured a pint over an adult with a mental disability that caused them to make noise? Or should they all stay at home as well?

What that man did is disgusting.

How many times does something have to be explained ? Read the thread.

miss no stars · 16-10-2012 10:41PM

I'm not a parent and I think that sitting down to a meal and having to listen to kids screaming is up there among the most annoying things going, but this kid wasn't screaming, he was grizzling. Making little kinda whimpering noises basically. Probably snuffling a little. As for the comments about not leaving the kid alone, they might have been seated right opposite the bar and just went up to it to order, no more than 3m away from baby. It really doesn't sound like a whinging screaming baby. It sounds like a grumpy old fart who's been put back in his box.

dark crystal · 16-10-2012 10:43PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Nothing like the righteous indignation of parents who think everyone else should be tolerant of little Johnny, while at the same time neglecting responsible parentingand bringing children in to an adult environment because they are entitled to

Sorry, how is bringing a child into a family friendly pub/restaurant at 1pm for lunch irresponsible parenting exactly? Oh that's right, it's not, because as you pointed out yourself, they're perfectly entitled to.

Perhaps the child was hungry and that's why he was grizzling - does that mean he deserves a pint poured over his head and that his mother deserves to be physically assaulted? The only person showing righteous indignation in this story was the anti-social old bastard, who you would think might be used to small children himself, being a grandfather and all.

Man fined £355 for throwing 1/2 pint of beer over a noisy baby's head.

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