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Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

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  • #422
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    MrD012 wrote: »
    This Islamic Group who claim to be "Spearheading Ireland's Transformation" seem like really nice people allright.
    http://islamicvanguards.com/

    Whats that to do with the mosque?


  • #423
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    lagente wrote: »
    Truly an excellent post.
    lagente wrote: »
    Another genius.

    MOD NOTE:

    These kinds of one-liners add little to the thread and are, frankly, insulting to other posters. If this is all you've got, don't bother posting here again.


  • #424
    philologos
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    MrD012 wrote: »
    This Islamic Group who claim to be "Spearheading Ireland's Transformation" seem like really nice people allright.
    http://islamicvanguards.com/

    Firstly as other people have told you. This us hardly representative.

    Secondly I support free speech. That includes what is written on that site. We should remove red tape from speech. It should be up to individuals to moderate views through dialogue. It shouldn't be a matter for the police. You don't have a right not to be offended.


  • #425
    philologos
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    40,000 is the magic number because it is essentially apparently equal to the entire population of Muslims in this country, according to official figures. So notwithstanding that there are already mosques in the country, including a very large one in south Dublin, there are plans to create one in north Dublin which could service the entire country (well despite the fact that its catchment area would be... limited to north Dublin).

    I will just say that I am just going on that linked article as to that pretty straggering figure of 40,000, but I've heard noone refute it so far.

    And for what its worth - surely you don't need a house of worship to be free to pursue your religion. I don't know of any sikh temple or for pedants.. one to zoroastrianism - does that mean that people of those respective faiths no longer have freedom of religion?

    How does 40,000 relate to the mosque exactly?
    Who are you to say that they can't? Churches are constructed and if Muslims want to build a mosque with their own money. Why not? Why should you restrict the right to freedom if religion?

    By the by there are gudwaras here and there's no reason why Dublin won't have one soon.


  • #426
    irishconvert
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    MrD012 wrote: »
    This Islamic Group who claim to be "Spearheading Ireland's Transformation" seem like really nice people allright.
    http://islamicvanguards.com/
    MrD012 wrote: »
    This is a direct quote taken from the Islamic Vanguards website Ireland

    Buying the west piece by piece

    "If there’s one thing the west yearns, it is money. For it has worshiped this false god without fail for as long as they have departed from the worship of the true God. And it is this weakness, nay addiction that will see what they hold precious being wrenched from their spindly hands.

    Already as we speak vast swathes of the London metropolis are in Muslim hands, Dublin is set to follow as the wealth that Allah has blessed His servants with is used to reclaim the land for His glory.

    Qatar pretty much owns everything from Chelsea Barracks to the new Olympic Village – not to mention the Shard, other nations have purchased major stores and whole neighbourhoods. As is said – there’s more than one way to skin a cat!    "

    link to Article

    I give up, you win, let's not build the mosque :rolleyes:


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  • #427
    Palmach
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    old hippy wrote: »
    If you have time, energy & inclination; I'm sure you can find plenty of fringe nutters to back up your scaremongering and sensationalism.

    A mosque is going to be built. That is all. Not armageddon.

    Who will be behind the Mosque? Who will run it? Will those running be for example members of Hizb ut Tahrir? Will it be Sheikh Satardien who said there was extremism prevalent in the people at the top in Irish Islam? Will RTE be doing an Undercover Mosque type programme in 10 years time? Is anyone asking these questions? I except the usual loony lefties, multicultural fanatics will jump up and won and shout WACIST! at any questioning this centre but I'd like to thin kt eh authorities will ask the questions above.

    I have to say the size and scale looks like Islamic supremacist coat trailing to me. Why not build 3 or 4 smaller mosques for the same money?


  • #428
    Nodin
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    Palmach wrote: »
    Who will be behind (.........) money?

    I'd call "Islamophobia" rather than racist. Doubtless had they announced three-four mosques we'd be hearing "they're takin over" hysteria in a slightly different form.


  • #429
    old hippy
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    Palmach wrote: »
    Who will be behind the Mosque? Who will run it? Will those running be for example members of Hizb ut Tahrir? Will it be Sheikh Satardien who said there was extremism prevalent in the people at the top in Irish Islam? Will RTE be doing an Undercover Mosque type programme in 10 years time? Is anyone asking these questions? I except the usual loony lefties, multicultural fanatics will jump up and won and shout WACIST! at any questioning this centre but I'd like to thin kt eh authorities will ask the questions above.

    I have to say the size and scale looks like Islamic supremacist coat trailing to me. Why not build 3 or 4 smaller mosques for the same money?

    I smell... cliches. You smell... extremists.


  • #430
    thebman
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    Seems illogical to me to be honest.

    Any evidence we have the population of muslims to justify it?

    Or is it a case of if you build it they will come?

    Because we have a massive unemployment crisis and don't need anybody to come at the moment TBH. Lets solve our existing problems before we decide to get creative.


  • #431
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    thebman wrote: »
    Seems illogical to me to be honest.

    Any evidence we have the population of muslims to justify it?

    Or is it a case of if you build it they will come?

    Because we have a massive unemployment crisis and don't need anybody to come at the moment TBH. Lets solve our existing problems before we decide to get creative.

    Any chance you might read the thread?

    What basis does any of that have in fact? If they're from outside the EU, they can't just come in, and if they're within the EU why would they?

    Secondly, why would anyone arrive to live in a country just because it had a church/mosque/temple in it?


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  • #432
    Palmach
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    Nodin wrote: »
    I'd call "Islamophobia" rather than racist. Doubtless had they announced three-four mosques we'd be hearing "they're takin over" hysteria in a slightly different form.

    I am Islamophobic and for good reasons. This Mosque as proposed is too big and designed to mark territory. They should be told to scale it down.


  • #433
    Nodin
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    Palmach wrote: »
    I am Islamophobic and for good reasons. This Mosque as proposed is too big and designed to mark territory. .

    Total nonsense. Thankfully we've moved on from some fear driven 16th century view of the world, for the most part.
    Palmach wrote: »
    They should be told to scale it down.

    Once they abide by the normal rules, they should be treated as any other citizens of this state.


  • #434
    mcallistermizy
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    wes wrote: »
    You'd have a fair point, if most of the countries schools, weren't already run on a similar basis.......
    No they're not.

    Schools with Catholic patronage may give preference to Catholic children but accept non-Catholic children as well with no issue. In some cases, classes may be more non-Catholic than Catholic.

    I can't imagine the same happening for a school built within a "Muslim centre". For one, no non-Muslim parent would likely ever send their child there and secondly I doubt the school itself would even accept a Non-Muslim child.

    There's non Muslim in North Dublin National Muslim School


  • #435
    mcallistermizy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭mcallistermizy


    MrD012 wrote: »
    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Please explain to me why on earth Muslims would leave predominately Muslim countries (where, presumably, there are lots of mosques) and head to Ireland on the basis that someone is building another mosque here? Clongriffen isn't that special.

    better standard of living , more money . the majority of muslims who come to Ireland at present are from relatively poverished areas of Asia & Africa , some use the relative rule , some use the arranged marriage route , some use education and others use the asylum route.

    Which Asian country are you talking about? To get a knowledge you must go to school or college or university not from a tabloid. Nobody in the world graduated from it. Indeed


  • #436
    BlatentCheek
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    I live near enough to Clongriffin that I wouldn't want this built. Not out of any enmity towards muslims but think what a development of this size would do to traffic in the area. 5,000 capacity mega-mosque with a school attached? **** that, I already hate parents dropping their kids to school for what it does to my morning commute. A muslim school can only be worse in that regard because it will likely have proportionally less of the kids living within walking distance, the choice of school being primarily determined in this case by religious ethos rather than proximity as it often is for other "normal" schools. That may be Nimbyism but I dare say a more appropriate location could be found based on factors other than the developer, Gerry Gannon (in NAMA, member of anglo golden circle), needing an alternate use for a failed mass housing development, Clongriffen.


  • #437
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Personally, I'd prefer more complaints based on Nimbyism and the ruining of morning commutes to sectarian hysteria. It reminds me we're in the 21st century.


  • #438
    hatrickpatrick
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    Eh... What exactly is the difference between a "super Mosque" and a... "regular" mosque? :confused:

    Can the Super Mosque fly and recover from a broken back by doing a few sets of pushups or something?


  • #439
    SeanW
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Total nonsense. Thankfully we've moved on from some fear driven 16th century view of the world, for the most part.
    Could someone please tell the Saudis, Wahabbists and Salafists?

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  • #440
    BlatentCheek
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Personally, I'd prefer more complaints based on Nimbyism and the ruining of morning commutes to sectarian hysteria. It reminds me we're in the 21st century.

    TBH while my concerns are genuine I was only bothered writing the post because I thought it looked funny beside the fairly mental tone that's dominated the thread. I was trying to go for this effect
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP3x-cp4VHo


  • #441
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Eh... What exactly is the difference between a "super Mosque" and a... "regular" mosque? :confused:

    ............

    The journalist writing the story, I'd imagine.


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  • #442
    PseudoFamous
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    I don't mind the Mosque, Conference rooms, playground or swimming pool, but the 34 classroom school is pushing it. I have no issue with different cultures when they make an attempt to integrate with existing culture, but making a school exclusively for Muslims is going to prevent mixing, and widen the divide between "normal" Irish society and the "muslim" Irish society. Probably will generate a bit of racism and ignorance on both sides, too.


  • #443
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    I don't mind the Mosque, Conference rooms, playground or swimming pool, but the 34 classroom school is pushing it. I have no issue with different cultures when they make an attempt to integrate with existing culture, but making a school exclusively for Muslims is going to prevent mixing, and widen the divide between "normal" Irish society and the "muslim" Irish society. Probably will generate a bit of racism and ignorance on both sides, too.

    Unfortunately thats the current set up in the state - religions can form their own faith schools. I doubt very much we're going to see a secular school system and a ban on faith schools in the near future (50-100 years).


  • #444
    Stheno
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    I'd also imagine that the 34 rooms will include science and computer labs.

    And given the religion it's possible that at second level the genders will be seperated

    So one room for each of the primary years = 8 rooms, two for each of second level = 10/12, labs, gym, home ec, carpentry would easily account for another 14


  • #445
    hatrickpatrick
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    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    I don't mind the Mosque, Conference rooms, playground or swimming pool, but the 34 classroom school is pushing it. I have no issue with different cultures when they make an attempt to integrate with existing culture, but making a school exclusively for Muslims is going to prevent mixing, and widen the divide between "normal" Irish society and the "muslim" Irish society. Probably will generate a bit of racism and ignorance on both sides, too.

    Right, because it's not like Ireland has (or at least certainly had) a majority of schools being run by religious orders, right? (And on a side note, it's not like many of those aren't implicated in horrific crimes against humanity, is it?)

    Don't really see how you can object to a Muslim school without also objecting to the vast array of Christian schools in the country...


  • #446
    PseudoFamous
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Right, because it's not like Ireland has (or at least certainly had) a majority of schools being run by religious orders, right? (And on a side note, it's not like many of those aren't implicated in horrific crimes against humanity, is it?)

    Don't really see how you can object to a Muslim school without also objecting to the vast array of Christian schools in the country...

    Funnily enough, I don't recall saying that Christian run schools are right either.

    The Catholic church provided education to the masses when the state could not afford to, Protestant faiths supplementing it for their own, but now, the state does not have a need for any religions in education, and I feel education should be completely secular now.


  • #447
    Palmach
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Could someone please tell the Saudis, Wahabbists and Salafists?

    Precisely. And here is the question? Who will run this Mosque? Will it be a moderate like Sheikh Satardien who was ostracised because he pointed out that there was extremism in Islam in Ireland? Or will be the greasy Ali Selim and his Muslim Brotherhood cohorts who will be free to spread hatred and vitriol at will?


  • #448
    MrD012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭MrD012


    Clongriffin is quite a diverse area , there are no more muslims in the population than anybody else , which begs the question why build a mosque and Islamic centre there , and the answer is that Gerry Gannon (golden circle investor) wants to build more houses , he wants the Boom years back , he needs to create a demand for these houses and he sees the mosque as all his answers , he knows there are many muslims throughout Dublin and Ireland who will be happy to set up in clongriffin once the facilities are in place . He is only thinking about his own pockets once again , he is not considering the existing residents who purchased their homes without any knowledge of this proposed project.


  • #449
    old hippy
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    MrD012 wrote: »
    Clongriffin is quite a diverse area , there are no more muslims in the population than anybody else , which begs the question why build a mosque and Islamic centre there , and the answer is that Gerry Gannon (golden circle investor) wants to build more houses , he wants the Boom years back , he needs to create a demand for these houses and he sees the mosque as all his answers , he knows there are many muslims throughout Dublin and Ireland who will be happy to set up in clongriffin once the facilities are in place . He is only thinking about his own pockets once again , he is not considering the existing residents who purchased their homes without any knowledge of this proposed project.

    You forgot to add "allegedly" and links to your claims.


  • #450
    Nodin
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    MrD012 wrote: »
    Clongriffin is quite a diverse area , there are no more muslims in the population than anybody else , which begs the question why build a mosque and Islamic centre there , and the answer is that Gerry Gannon (golden circle investor) wants to build more houses , he wants the Boom years back , he needs to create a demand for these houses and he sees the mosque as all his answers , he knows there are many muslims throughout Dublin and Ireland who will be happy to set up in clongriffin once the facilities are in place . He is only thinking about his own pockets once again , he is not considering the existing residents who purchased their homes without any knowledge of this proposed project.

    Disjointed nonsense, without a fact to back it up.

    Why would anyone move if they live withing driving distance?

    What odds does it make the current residents if they did - are you saying its ok to harbour sectarian grudges against your neighbours?


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  • #451
    celtictiger32
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... -3X5hIFXYU

    and they still want to build that mosque?.......

    sorry guys i fvcked up that link, its supposed to be a clip called muslim demographics (its the one with the red flag)


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