Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

Nodin · 11-10-2012 07:23PM

MrD012 wrote: »

where did I say that ? again please quote me or admit I never said that .

It is only natural that if you set up facilites for a particular cultural background they will be attracted to it , otherwise what would the point be .

if they are attracted to the area from their existing locations within Ireland , why would the same not be true for outside of Ireland .

why do holiday resorts bother building Hotels and swimming pools etc ?

And again, complete nonsense. There's no equivalance at all.

And for the second time - as most muslim populations are outside the EU and must apply, they can't just walk in.

walshb · 11-10-2012 07:31PM

There are plenty plenty plenty Muslims in the EU, holding passports from EU countries.

philologos · 11-10-2012 07:33PM

MrD012 wrote: »

where did I say that ? again please quote me or admit I never said that .

It is only natural that if you set up facilites for a particular cultural background they will be attracted to it , otherwise what would the point be .

if they are attracted to the area from their existing locations within Ireland , why would the same not be true for outside of Ireland .

why do holiday resorts bother building Hotels and swimming pools etc ?

Religion != cultural background. One can be any ethnicity and be a Muslim. Culture also varies greatly in the Islamic world. Malaysia for example is very different to Saudi Arabia.

If a church is built, they would surely hope that people would come along, but the very fact that you have a church doesn't mean there's going to be a mass immigration from Christian nations. Likewise with atheist groups, or Hindu temples.

Your views on Islam aren't well informed to say the least.

Benny_Cake · 11-10-2012 07:36PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Not so according to MrD012. Muslim immigrants will flock to Ireland because of a mosque just off the M50. And not just any old mosque - a super-mosque!

where did I say that ? again please quote me or admit I never said that .

It is only natural that if you set up facilites for a particular cultural background they will be attracted to it , otherwise what would the point be .

if they are attracted to the area from their existing locations within Ireland , why would the same not be true for outside of Ireland .

why do holiday resorts bother building Hotels and swimming pools etc ?

I wasn't having a personalised pop at you - you have repeatedly associated the building of this mosque with increased immigration by Muslims into Ireland. In fact you've just done it again in that post! I highly doubt that Muslims will flock from other parts of Dublin to Clongriffen because a mosque gets built there, never mind Istanbul, Cairo, or Jakarta. You seem to be ignoring the fact that we already have quite a few mosques in Ireland and a sizable Muslim community, many born and bred here. I'm not seeing huge problems, are you?

MadsL · 11-10-2012 07:56PM

MrD012 wrote: »

can the pro mosque side show me one report that details the benefits of Islam to western society ?

The fact that your post doesn't read 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
is one benefit that the Arab world gave to westerners. A zero is a mighty useful thing.

Nodin · 11-10-2012 08:33PM

walshb wrote: »

There are plenty plenty plenty Muslims in the EU, holding passports from EU countries.

They're hardly going to flock from Britain, France and Germany because of a mosque.

sceptre · 11-10-2012 08:59PM

MrD012 wrote: »

It is only natural that if you set up facilites for a particular cultural background they will be attracted to it , otherwise what would the point be .

if they are attracted to the area from their existing locations within Ireland , why would the same not be true for outside of Ireland

We haven't exactly seen Catholics flocking to the country from across Europe over the past 90 years. It's not as though they're setting up Dublin as the fourth holy city of Islam. Field Of Dreams it ain't.

RandomName2 · 12-10-2012 12:04AM

philologos wrote: »

Religion != cultural background. One can be any ethnicity and be a Muslim. Culture also varies greatly in the Islamic world. Malaysia for example is very different to Saudi Arabia.

Religion may != cultural background but is nevertheless ∈ cultural background

philologos wrote: »

If a church is built, they would surely hope that people would come along, but the very fact that you have a church doesn't mean there's going to be a mass immigration from Christian nations. Likewise with atheist groups, or Hindu temples.

Your views on Islam aren't well informed to say the least.

On the opposite end of the argument: is anybody actually claiming that there are currently 40,000 Muslims in the catchment area of this proposed mosque? If there isn't, it does beg the question - why build it?

Cork boy 55 · 12-10-2012 12:58AM

It is far too small a project for projected Muslim population growth figures in the 26 counties, I really am sick of the lack of long term infrastructure planning in this country.

Ireland
Estimated 1990 Muslim Population 15,000 0.4%
Estimated 2010 Muslim Population 43,000 0.9%
Projected 2030 Muslim Population* 125,000 2.2%

* These figures are projections. The projections presented in this report are the medium figures in a range of three scenarios – high, medium and low – generated from models commonly used by demographers around the world to forecast changes in population size and composition. . For more details, see the Full Report and Methodology.)
http://features.pewforum.org/muslim-population/

irishconvert · 12-10-2012 10:09AM

MrD012 wrote: »

where did I say that ? again please quote me or admit I never said that .

It is only natural that if you set up facilites for a particular cultural background they will be attracted to it , otherwise what would the point be .

if they are attracted to the area from their existing locations within Ireland , why would the same not be true for outside of Ireland .

why do holiday resorts bother building Hotels and swimming pools etc ?

Oh yes, I hear they are building a super pub in Dubai. How many Irish people do you think will move there because of it???! :rolleyes:

irishconvert · 12-10-2012 10:16AM

SeanW wrote: »

Will the school teach through one of Irelands national languages (English/Irish) or Arabic?

I ask because in the U.K. where the Saudis are heavily involved in Islamic "education" the schools teach through arabaic and their textbooks teach children things like how to do Sharia compliant amputations, teach children that "All religions other than Islam are worthless" and other central tenets of Wahabbism.

I suggest you view the documentary "Undercover Mosque" to see what passes for normal in day-to-day Islamic education and preaching in some parts. Much of it linked to Saudi Arabia.

I have no issue with this mosque and school being built if it's just going to be normal people who just happen to pray 5 times a day. My concern would be with Saudi/Wahabbist involvement, which IMHO should be a concern to any sane person.

This documentary was based on just ONE mosque (which is funded by Saudi and is pretty much run for Saudi kids). Have you any idea of how many mosques there are in UK? There must be up to 10,000, with no Saudi infulence, run by Pakisatnis, Indians, Turks, Indonesians, Malaysians, Africans. I understand your concern about Wahabbism but to imply that even a minority of mosques in UK are run by Saudi is disingenuous.

philologos · 12-10-2012 11:34AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Religion may != cultural background but is nevertheless ∈ cultural background

On the opposite end of the argument: is anybody actually claiming that there are currently 40,000 Muslims in the catchment area of this proposed mosque? If there isn't, it does beg the question - why build it?

Why is 40,000 the magic number for building a mosque? Why us it any of your business if people want to build a house of worship near you? Freedom of religion means that people can build a church, a mosque, a gudwara or a synagogue, how does it affect you, and why is it your business?

Nodin · 12-10-2012 02:13PM

irishconvert wrote: »

Oh yes, I hear they are building a super pub in Dubai. How many Irish people do you think will move there because of it???! :rolleyes:

I was wondering why I felt drawn to the east...all they need now is allow betting on the camel racing and sell batter burgers outside and I'm gone.....

Memnoch · 12-10-2012 02:38PM

Nodin wrote: »

I was wondering why I felt drawn to the east...all they need now is allow betting on the camel racing and sell batter burgers outside and I'm gone.....

But you'll take their jobs and the moment you arrive all their women will lose all sense of propriety and start taking their clothes off. There'll be mass orgies in the streets. And before you know it the population of Dubai will be overrun with drunk Irishmen performing riverdance in the desert.

Nodin · 12-10-2012 02:43PM

Memnoch wrote: »

But you'll take their jobs and the moment you arrive all their women will lose all sense of propriety and start taking their clothes off. There'll be mass orgies in the streets. And before you know it the population of Dubai will be overrun with drunk Irishmen performing riverdance in the desert.

...puttin bombs under cars, pukin in the streets and pissin up against the walls of the mosques. Their culture will collapse in a terrible apocalypse of battered sausages and drink. Somebody must stand up and say "No" to the PC multi-culti brigade.

lagente · 12-10-2012 03:32PM

jmayo wrote: »

seriously expect someone or somebody to admit they are answering to someone who has been denied entry to countries due to his espousal of hatred and violence ?

No matter how you try and spin it that there are no links between people who are seen as pro violence by other western governments (i.e. Britain, France) and the islamic centre in Clonskeagh, you can't change the facts that there are some links.
The very fact that this guy has visited the centre, has been part of an organization that has links to the centre is not up for discussion.

The only things that are up for discussion is how involved is the imman in the centre and does he answer to Qaradawi.

Either way there are serious questions there and you glossing over this is typical burying ones head in the sand.

BTW Al-Qaradawi has interesting opinions on wife beating, rape, female circumcision, homosexuals to name but a few.
All opinions that would be in direct opposition to our freedoms in this country.
Oh and he is no fan of even fellow muslims, calling shias heretics.

Excellent post jmayo. You certainly did your homework on what's going on.

So Yusuf Al-Qaradawi and the European Council for Fatwa and Research (Based in Ireland) want militancy against the Gaddafis
and Assad, but on Bahrain his excuse is that it's unfortunately a sectarian war, so no

. Just a little selective perhaps? Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't a sectarian war what they are working towards in Syria?
Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that he and the ECFR like so many other Egyptian Clerics are paid by Saudi Wahabbists. I wonder does he know any of the Irish Salafists gone to Syria? I bet he knows all too much about that

. I bet he even hooked them up with a few well educated individuals from fine states such as Egypt, Yemen, Iraq etc.
1 word is sufficient and vital to deal with the treacherous individuals of the ECFR: OUT.

ECFR is based in Dublin. Strong emphasis on Ummah. Ummah this, Ummah that. (it's all just a mask for Saudi agenda for Syria, Libya, Egypt, etc.) No wonder the Ummah brigade in Syria is led from Ireland.
Makes sense why BinLaden said Ireland was ready for Islam. Sure,
his rich Wahhabi buddies were paying these rats.

This is not "coming here for a better life". This is behaving more like Saudis political rats akin to what has happened in Egypt. No wonder the distrust between the Shia and certain Sunni branches (Salafists, Wahhabists) here. Saudi is the problem. No to the Mosque-IslamCulturalCenter, and let's nip the immigration issue in the bud right now.

wes · 12-10-2012 03:36PM

lagente wrote: »

(it's all just a mask for Saudi agenda for Syria, Libya, Egypt, etc.)

He is from Qatar, who have there plenty of there own money.......

lagente · 12-10-2012 03:40PM

wes wrote: »

He is from Qatar, who have there plenty of there own money.......

Truly an excellent post.

Nodin · 12-10-2012 03:51PM

lagente wrote: »

Excellent post (...........) bud right now.

Whats "immigration" got to do with any of this?

lagente · 12-10-2012 03:53PM

Nodin wrote: »

Whats "immigration" got to do with any of this?

Another genius.

wes · 12-10-2012 03:54PM

lagente wrote: »

Truly an excellent post.

Far better, than assuming that some cleric is a part of the Saudi plans for the Middle East. Last time I checked he wasn't a member of Saudi royal family, or one of there one pet clerics. Sure, he is a dodgy sort, but you really have no basis to make the claim that you made.

Nodin · 12-10-2012 03:54PM

lagente wrote: »

Another genius.

Would you care to answer the question? What has a mosque to do with immigration policy?

RandomName2 · 12-10-2012 04:01PM

Nodin wrote: »

pukin in the streets and pissin up against the walls of the mosques. Their culture will collapse in a terrible apocalypse of battered sausages and drink. Somebody must stand up and say "No" to the PC multi-culti brigade.

Well in Spanish, Greek and Cypriot resorts, local opposition and increased costs are tempered by significantly increased revenue through touris-... oh. You were being sarcastic.

philologos wrote: »

Why is 40,000 the magic number for building a mosque? Why us it any of your business if people want to build a house of worship near you? Freedom of religion means that people can build a church, a mosque, a gudwara or a synagogue, how does it affect you, and why is it your business?

40,000 is the magic number because it is essentially apparently equal to the entire population of Muslims in this country, according to official figures. So notwithstanding that there are already mosques in the country, including a very large one in south Dublin, there are plans to create one in north Dublin which could service the entire country (well despite the fact that its catchment area would be... limited to north Dublin).

I will just say that I am just going on that linked article as to that pretty straggering figure of 40,000, but I've heard noone refute it so far.

And for what its worth - surely you don't need a house of worship to be free to pursue your religion. I don't know of any sikh temple or for pedants.. one to zoroastrianism - does that mean that people of those respective faiths no longer have freedom of religion?

Nodin · 12-10-2012 04:05PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

,..................

And for what its worth - surely you don't need a house of worship to be free to pursue your religion. I don't know of any sikh temple or for pedants.. one to zoroastrianism - does that mean that people of those respective faiths no longer have freedom of religion?

There's a Sikh temple in Sandymount.

If people want to build some religous building, they should be free to do so, normal restrictions applying.

wes · 12-10-2012 04:07PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

And for what its worth - surely you don't need a house of worship to be free to pursue your religion. I don't know of any sikh temple or for pedants.. one to zoroastrianism - does that mean that people of those respective faiths no longer have freedom of religion?

There is a Gurdwara here......

Also, if there were enough Zoroastrians here, I am sure if they wanted a temple, they could pull there money together, and get one built. Now, if someone was to prevent them, to do so, even if they had money, planning permission etc, then it would be violating there freedom or Religion.

Not having a place of worship doesn't violate anyone Religous freedom. However, stopping them from building one, would be a violation.

MrD012 · 12-10-2012 04:42PM

This Islamic Group who claim to be "Spearheading Ireland's Transformation" seem like really nice people allright.
http://islamicvanguards.com/

MrD012 · 12-10-2012 04:48PM

This is a direct quote taken from the Islamic Vanguards website Ireland

Buying the west piece by piece

"If there’s one thing the west yearns, it is money. For it has worshiped this false god without fail for as long as they have departed from the worship of the true God. And it is this weakness, nay addiction that will see what they hold precious being wrenched from their spindly hands.

Already as we speak vast swathes of the London metropolis are in Muslim hands, Dublin is set to follow as the wealth that Allah has blessed His servants with is used to reclaim the land for His glory.

Qatar pretty much owns everything from Chelsea Barracks to the new Olympic Village – not to mention the Shard, other nations have purchased major stores and whole neighbourhoods. As is said – there’s more than one way to skin a cat!"

link to Article

stevedublin · 12-10-2012 05:21PM

MrD012 wrote: »

This is a direct quote taken from the Islamic Vanguards website Ireland

Buying the west piece by piece

"If there’s one thing the west yearns, it is money. For it has worshiped this false god without fail for as long as they have departed from the worship of the true God. And it is this weakness, nay addiction that will see what they hold precious being wrenched from their spindly hands.

Already as we speak vast swathes of the London metropolis are in Muslim hands, Dublin is set to follow as the wealth that Allah has blessed His servants with is used to reclaim the land for His glory.

Qatar pretty much owns everything from Chelsea Barracks to the new Olympic Village – not to mention the Shard, other nations have purchased major stores and whole neighbourhoods. As is said – there’s more than one way to skin a cat!"

link to Article

So the Muslims have bought lots of property in London, whats wrong with that?

Stheno · 12-10-2012 05:22PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Well in Spanish, Greek and Cypriot resorts, local opposition and increased costs are tempered by significantly increased revenue through touris-... oh. You were being sarcastic.

40,000 is the magic number because it is essentially apparently equal to the entire population of Muslims in this country, according to official figures. So notwithstanding that there are already mosques in the country, including a very large one in south Dublin, there are plans to create one in north Dublin which could service the entire country (well despite the fact that its catchment area would be... limited to north Dublin).

I will just say that I am just going on that linked article as to that pretty straggering figure of 40,000, but I've heard noone refute it so far.

And for what its worth - surely you don't need a house of worship to be free to pursue your religion. I don't know of any sikh temple or for pedants.. one to zoroastrianism - does that mean that people of those respective faiths no longer have freedom of religion?

There were just shy of 50,000 Muslims here when the census was done last year, and the original article in the OP references that there are 40,000 Muslims living in Dublin

The capacity of this new mosque will be for 5,000 people to attend services at a time, if you think of it that's only 1/8th of the Muslim population in Dublin, and given that they have SCR and Clonskeagh they probably need another mosque to serve a population of that size.

old hippy · 12-10-2012 05:53PM

MrD012 wrote: »

This Islamic Group who claim to be "Spearheading Ireland's Transformation" seem like really nice people allright.
http://islamicvanguards.com/

If you have time, energy & inclination; I'm sure you can find plenty of fringe nutters to back up your scaremongering and sensationalism.

A mosque is going to be built. That is all. Not armageddon.

Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

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