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Today:120,000 foot space jump.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    He wasn't sent.

    He went up to beat a world record, not to put on an amazing show.

    And Red Bull paid for it all as nothing much more than a marketting stunt for their brand.

    Its not that I'm dismissing his achievement as something insignificant. I've been looking forward to this since the past few months when Red Bull first announced the Stratos project. And I have to say I always admired Red Bull for sponsoring all these extreme sportsmen and all the events they do, they're a pretty unique and creative brand. Which is why I also supported their F1 team ever since Kimi left Ferrari but that's a different story...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    You could say the same about Hilary or Shackleton. Their feats have been replicated since, but doing such things once someone with large brass ones has shown it can be done and how to do it is less remarkable.

    I have both pilot and parachute licenses, and military training. I probably could do it. I don't have the balls though, so I wouldn't and like everyone else on the planet, didn't. That jump deserves pretty serious respect for determination and capability.

    I would love to do it if given the opportunity... But yeah, Joe Kittenger had massive balls to do it back in the 60s when there were so many unknowns. Felix Baumgartner also had huge balls to be able to do it after 50 odd years and break the sound barrier but probably not as huge as Joe Kittenger's balls. Still doesn't take away the awesomeness of what he did!! I'm sure he loved every moment of it and it didn't matter to him who did what first when he was 120k feet up in the sky looking down at the planet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    You could say the same about Hilary or Shackleton. Their feats have been replicated since, but doing such things once someone with large brass ones has shown it can be done and how to do it is less remarkable.

    You seem to be missing the point. It has been done. in 1960. He replicated it.

    I have both pilot and parachute licenses, and military training. I probably could do it. I don't have the balls though, so I wouldn't and like everyone else on the planet, didn't. That jump deserves pretty serious respect for determination and capability.

    The reason it isn't done doesnt come down to balls, it comes down to money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Piliger wrote: »
    B O R I N G

    The guy has a space suit. No risk
    . A load of boring promotional crap imho.


    .......... without it he would die:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    He wasn't sent.

    He went up to beat a world record, not to put on an amazing show.

    Whatever reasons he went up for, Red Bull turned it into an amazing show.

    It could probably be argued that Red Bull's sponsorship is the bigger achievement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Dustaz wrote: »
    You seem to be missing the point. It has been done. in 1960. He replicated it.

    If it's "already been done", then how did this jump then break previous records?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    If it's "already been done", then how did this jump then break previous records?

    It didn't break all the previous records.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Brad768


    Dustaz wrote: »
    Interesting. There are possibly 2 people on earth who could beat Usain Bolt.

    There are untold hundreds or thousands who could beat Felix's record.
    .

    But I don't think when people go out to practice sprints they have the possibility of dieing do they? This hasn't been done for 60 years, if it was so easy why isn't it being broken yearly?
    You need a huge team of very intelligent people and someone willing to risk their life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Dustaz wrote: »

    It didn't break all the previous records.
    The only 1 it didn't break was free fall time because he travelled about 130mph faster then they were estimating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    If it's "already been done", then how did this jump then break previous records?

    Well if I won the euromillions, I could then make sure I go a few hundred feet higher than Felix and make sure when I jump I travel a few more kmph faster than him and I would have broken his record too.

    The big achievement here isn't that he broke a record, the big achievement is that after 50 odd years someone finally managed to do it again!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Dustaz wrote: »
    It didn't break all the previous records.

    As pointed out the only one that was missed was the longer freefall.

    The pretence that "this has all been done before" is just that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    Brad768 wrote: »
    But I don't think when people go out to practice sprints they have the possibility of dieing do they? This hasn't been done for 60 years, if it was so easy why isn't it being broken yearly?
    You need a huge team of very intelligent people and someone willing to risk their life.

    Actually intensive training for sprinting has a pretty high risk of death or serious injury.

    And Felix Baumgartner is a professional BASE jumper. BASE jumping is one of the riskiest sport in the world so he's quite used to risking his life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    Brad768 wrote: »
    But I don't think when people go out to practice sprints they have the possibility of dieing do they? This hasn't been done for 60 years, if it was so easy why isn't it being broken yearly?
    You need a huge team of very intelligent people and someone willing to risk their life.

    Do you really need this spelled out for you?

    Money.

    Fair play to him for raising the sponsorship needed to do it. The sums involved are enormous and previously only in the realm of governments.

    Finding someone to risk their life isnt the hard part. Daredevils and thrillseekers aren't exactly a new thing. From Evil Kenevil to Lewis Hamilton to Any number of extreme sports practioners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Brad768


    Actually intensive training for sprinting has a pretty high risk of death or serious injury.

    And Felix Baumgartner is a professional BASE jumper. BASE jumping is one of the riskiest sport in the world so he's quite used to risking his life.

    Fair enough. But if people were asked, do you rather want to do some sprinting or go base jumping where there is a higher risk of loosing your life. The majority of people would pick sprinting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    As pointed out the only one that was missed was the longer freefall.

    The pretence that "this has all been done before" is just that.

    Compared to something like the Moon landings, yes, it has been done before. Which was my original point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    Brad768 wrote: »
    Fair enough. But if people were asked, do you rather want to do some sprinting or go base jumping where there is a higher risk of loosing your life. The majority of people would pick sprinting.

    I would chose base jumping. Its more fun and you don't have to be particularly good or a top level base jumper to experience the thrill of the jump.

    Where as in sprinting it takes incredible amounts of blood, sweat and tears to become the fastest person in the world and very very very few people can achieve that.

    But then that's just me. I like extreme sports and I find running boring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Lads lads, whats with the nay saying? You seem to forget that at this altitude your blood will boil out of your body. Air pressure is 0.24psi compared to 15psi at sea level. The tech required to keep a man alive in that environment is pretty substantial. Not something 'anyone' could do. Take the capsule for example. It was almost a spacecraft, such were the demands asked of it!
    Felix's suit is more or less a spacesuit with all its environmental controls. It was pressurised to only 3psi if i remember correctly. Not for the faint hearted at all!
    Then he had to try and not spin apart while he waited for some air to give control.

    To put all this in perspective. The cruising altitude of the sr-71 blackbird was 85,000 feet. Thats 43,000 feet less than Felix jumped from.

    Sure, it was nothing spectacular at all!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Dustaz wrote: »
    Compared to something like the Moon landings, yes, it has been done before. Which was my original point.

    So if humans land on Mars in 30 years or so, you'll just shrug? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller



    So if humans land on Mars in 30 years or so, you'll just shrug? :confused:
    To be fair, i wish we could go now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    shedweller wrote: »
    Lads lads, whats with the nay saying? You seem to forget that at this altitude your blood will boil out of your body. Air pressure is 0.24psi compared to 15psi at sea level. The tech required to keep a man alive in that environment is pretty substantial. Not something 'anyone' could do. Take the capsule for example. It was almost a spacecraft, such were the demands asked of it!
    Felix's suit is more or less a spacesuit with all its environmental controls. It was pressurised to only 3psi if i remember correctly. Not for the faint hearted at all!
    Then he had to try and not spin apart while he waited for some air to give control.

    To put all this in perspective. The cruising altitude of the sr-71 blackbird was 85,000 feet. Thats 43,000 feet less than Felix jumped from.

    Sure, it was nothing spectacular at all!

    Well, I'm not saying its not spectacular and I love Red Bull for making it happen.

    But what I'm saying is this would have been incredibly spectacular 50yrs ago when space travel was an unknown and Joe Kittinger voluntereed to become the test subject to go into the unknown. Now days we have humans living 24x7 in space at 400km altitude in the ISS and astronauts travel to and fro into space and back every few months.


    Provided with the money, its really is no big deal going into space anymore.
    Virgin has the Space Ship One which has gone above 100km and back many times. Red Bull developed a project which allowed a guy to jump off from space. Fair play to both of them for doing it. It was incredibly exciting to watch. But I don't really see it as the space event of the decade or anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    If it's "already been done", then how did this jump then break previous records?

    If a fella climbs mount everest next month, it wont be the first time its been done. But he could do it faster than anyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    So if humans land on Mars in 30 years or so, you'll just shrug? :confused:

    No, that would be the crowning achievement of mankind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    If a fella climbs mount everest next month, it wont be the first time its been done. But he could do it faster than anyone else.

    Would be a stupid thing to do to be honest though. Climbing the Everest, although every Tom, Dick and Harry can do it now, is still no joke and is extremely dangerous. Turning it into a fun sport isn't a good idea as you don't just put yours but many other's people's life in risk as well because of the way the Everest is climbed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    If a fella climbs mount everest next month, it wont be the first time its been done. But he could do it faster than anyone else.

    ah but get sponsored by a soft drink, stream it live to youtube and its "GROUNDBREAKING"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Anyway the man in question has just shown us how much more we can do, don't stop, keep going, you never know what the information from this attempt will give or take us,

    baby steps, walking, running, standing upright, fire, tools, wheel, I do not know why they bothered, it would of been so much easier to say no.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    shedweller wrote: »
    Lads lads, whats with the nay saying? You seem to forget that at this altitude your blood will boil out of your body. Air pressure is 0.24psi compared to 15psi at sea levell!

    It might be worth pointing out that blood/water will boil in a vacuum or close to one at well below body temperature, so it does not boil due to being heated up, but because of very low atmospheric pressure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Dustaz wrote: »
    ah but get sponsored by a soft drink, stream it live to youtube and its "GROUNDBREAKING"

    Red bull gives you a parachute will have to be the next ad out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Dustaz wrote: »
    No, that would be the crowning achievement of mankind.

    Peace on the entire earth would be a bigger achievement. Walking on the surface of jupiter is probably more likely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    I think its great that we finally got proof that the earth is a big flat disk :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Peace on the entire earth would be a bigger achievement. Walking on the surface of jupiter is probably more likely.

    Walking on the surface of Jupiter would indeed be some achievement but I can't see it happening by any native Earth species!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    BBDBB wrote: »
    I think its great that we finally got proof that the earth is a big flat disk :)

    That is just the CD, once you place it in the player it will show you so many different things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Walking on the surface of Jupiter would indeed be some achievement but I can't see it happening by any native Earth species!

    Yes, that was my point:)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Dustaz wrote: »
    I agree with you to a certain extent.

    It's a very very big parachute jump. I commend the man for his balls and the team behind him for their innovation.

    However, It's nothing that hasn't been done before on a smaller scale. People seem to be comparing it to the moon landings.
    Dustaz wrote: »
    No, that would be the crowning achievement of mankind.

    Not sure if serious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Walking on the surface of Jupiter would indeed be some achievement but I can't see it happening by any native Earth species!

    I like this, we are now a collective, (native) nothing else, we are at last humans, all the same with different traits,

    verbally small changes are happening already, it is not one of the positives I would of seen from this attempt, but I do now,

    it actually might stump Robbie's attempt to get to Jupiter, before humans figure out, shiit we are all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    didnt take long for after hours to **** on a groundbreaking event. going by what some people are saying, no event is truely ground breaking because its been done on a smaller scale beforehand. talk about stupid logic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Seems to be alot of people here with nothing better to do then poke holes in this achievement.

    No, it wasn't as big as what Yuri Gagarin/Neil Armstrong/Buzz Aldrin did, but it was still something spectacular and record setting don't forget.
    I find what he did to be amazing and the next step could even be bailing from a craft in a low-earth orbit.

    And not to nit-pick, but Jupiter has no solid surface to walk on :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Nitpickers wouldn't have been satisfied unless there was a HD camera right in his face showing every facial expression and drop of sweat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Nitpickers wouldn't have been satisfied unless there was a HD camera right in his face showing every facial expression and drop of sweat.

    Hmmm now that you mention it, some of the shadows didn't seem right. Could have been faked...


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    Hmmm now that you mention it, some of the shadows didn't seem right. Could have been faked...

    It was faked. I could tell from the pixels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    all done with mirrors


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    It was faked. I could tell from the pixels.

    The shadows and highlights were also all wrong.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The shadows and highlights were also all wrong.

    Not to mention the blowing of the flag.

    Ah, wrong conspiracy theory. Never mind.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    BBDBB wrote: »
    I think its great that we finally got proof that the earth is a big flat disk :)

    Forget Mars, the next goal for Mankind should be to send an expedition underneath to find the giant turtle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Forget Mars, the next goal for Mankind should be to send an expedition underneath to find the giant turtle.

    There's no giant turtle, its all just hollow man!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    SPLITTER!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal



    And not to nit-pick, but Jupiter has no solid surface to walk on :p

    I wont nit pick either, when I say (again), that was the actual point.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo



    There's no giant turtle, its all just hollow man!

    Sorry I have a no debate policy with hollowists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    I wont nit pick either, when I say (again), that was the actual point.

    You could walk on the moons. Just watch your step when on Io.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Sorry I have a no debate policy with hollowists.

    Even the Nazi's knew the earth is hollow. Which is why the Brits and Americans fought them to keep the sheeple from knowing the truth!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Even the Nazi's knew the earth is hollow. Which is why the Brits and Americans fought them to keep the sheeple from knowing the truth!

    I was just reading about goodwin`s law the other day. Interesting.


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