Life on the dole

sunflower27 · 13-10-2012 08:33AM

Boombastic wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:
You certainly cheered me up with that post, thanks

What's worse than being on the dole?

Doing a jobbridge because your so sick and depressed of hanging around the house with no purpose and people on the dole looking down their nose at you

Even worse....

Completing your crappy internship and finding out you don't qualify for fuel allowance now because the 9 months you worked for 10e a day are not counted as days unemployed... and having the staff at your social welfare office totally understanding where you are coming from, but rules are rules.....

that is effing depressing!!!!

Boombastic · 13-10-2012 08:50AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Even worse....

Completing your crappy internship and finding out you don't qualify for fuel allowance now because the 9 months you worked for 10e a day are not counted as days unemployed... and having the staff at your social welfare office totally understanding where you are coming from, but rules are rules.....

that is effing depressing!!!!

Did not know that, another kick in balls for those that are trying, while those that sat on their arse reap the awards:mad:

mikemac1 · 13-10-2012 08:53AM

Clareboy wrote: »

Free Travel is only for those over 66

Not if you are on disability

Which plently of junkies are, shifted off the long term unemployed list and put on disability

sunflower27 · 13-10-2012 08:56AM

Boombastic wrote: »

Did not know that, another kick in balls for those that are trying, while those that sat on their arse reap the awards:mad:

I applied and got accepted for an 8-month FAS course, which I am now doing. You need to be at least 312 days signed on to get the extra €20 a week allowance for studuing.

Yet another kick in the teeth.

Had I done nothing at all, I'd be €40 up per week (study allowance plus fuel allowance).

I did the internship to get me out of the house and learn some new skills. Total waste of time. I was waved off the moment my internship ended.

I would have been better off foing nothing at all - €160/month in fact.

I'm also doing a part-time counselling degree, so that money would have come in really handy for my fees and the personal therapy Ihave topay for as partofmy course.

Not everyone uses SW money to blow on drinking, smoking etc. I put mine to the best use I can (and am very grateful for it), but a system is wrong when it benefits those who do nothing at all.

Still, it won't be forever

themadchef · 13-10-2012 08:57AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Even worse....

Completing your crappy internship and finding out you don't qualify for fuel allowance now because the 9 months you worked for 10e a day are not counted as days unemployed... and having the staff at your social welfare office totally understanding where you are coming from, but rules are rules.....

that is effing depressing!!!!

Firstly, if you work a full week, i dont see how it can be classed as "unenmpolyed". BUT......................

Getting paid a shítty €50 a week, not to be offered a proper weeks work after it is imo getting used. There should be NO reduction in your benefit after trying to upskill yourself. It will only entice people not to bother their hole with job bridge.

To me the whole programme seems like a way of shuffling people around and employers getting cheap labour. Any figures out for this yet? How many people has it taken off the dole and into a full time permanent position? Would love to hear the % figure for that.

The dole is a career choice for some, and heart break for many. There should be a buffer for people newly unemployed, and a serious kick in the hole for long termers. endless courses that lead nowhere? Give people skills they can use even if they dont want to use them.

sunflower27 · 13-10-2012 09:06AM

themadchef wrote: »

Firstly, if you work a full week, i dont see how it can be classed as "unenmpolyed". BUT......................

Getting paid a shítty €50 a week, not to be offered a proper weeks work after it is imo getting used. There should be NO reduction in your benefit after trying to upskill yourself. It will only entice people not to bother their hole with job bridge.

To me the whole programme seems like a way of shuffling people around and employers getting cheap labour. Any figures out for this yet? How many people has it taken off the dole and into a full time permanent position? Would love to hear the % figure for that.

The dole is a career choice for some, and heart break for many. There should be a buffer for people newly unemployed, and a serious kick in the hole for long termers. endless courses that lead nowhere? Give people skills they can use even if they dont want to use them.

It is classed as UNEMPLOYED if the company is not paying you a penny and social welfare is paying you to be there.

Boombastic · 13-10-2012 09:17AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

I applied and got accepted for an 8-month FAS course, which I am now doing. You need to be at least 312 days signed on to get the extra €20 a week allowance for studuing.

Amazing enough time spent in prison counts as being unemployed for this, go figure:rolleyes:

sunflower27 · 13-10-2012 09:27AM

Boombastic wrote: »

Amazing enough time spent in prison counts as being unemployed for this, go figure:rolleyes:

There you go....

The point of JobBridge was for the new government to massage unemployment figures to make it look like the number on the live register was going down.

The whole scheme was thrown together overnight (that is me being generous); the jobs put up on the site were not 'monitored' as they said they would be (and still aren't) and anyone that does one and fails to secure employment out of it comes off worse than those that did nothing.

This government is worse than the one before. They have to go!

Sorry, derailed....back on topic

UCDVet · 13-10-2012 09:58AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Not if you are on disability

Which plently of junkies are, shifted off the long term unemployed list and put on disability

Are there nationality requirements for disability? Do I need to be Irish or an EU member to collect?

books4sale · 13-10-2012 10:04AM

Boombastic wrote: »

Did not know that, another kick in balls for those that are trying, while those that sat on their arse reap the awards:mad:

What awards?

Boombastic · 13-10-2012 10:10AM

books4sale wrote: »

What awards?

awards for being unemployed:)

It should be rewards

UCDVet · 13-10-2012 10:21AM

Boombastic wrote: »

awards for being unemployed:)

It should be rewards

Money for staying home.....seems like an award to me

homeless student · 13-10-2012 10:31AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

I applied and got accepted for an 8-month FAS course, which I am now doing. You need to be at least 312 days signed on to get the extra €20 a week allowance for studuing.

Yet another kick in the teeth.

Had I done nothing at all, I'd be €40 up per week (study allowance plus fuel allowance).

I did the internship to get me out of the house and learn some new skills. Total waste of time. I was waved off the moment my internship ended.

I would have been better off foing nothing at all - €160/month in fact.

I'm also doing a part-time counselling degree, so that money would have come in really handy for my fees and the personal therapy Ihave topay for as partofmy course.

Not everyone uses SW money to blow on drinking, smoking etc. I put mine to the best use I can (and am very grateful for it), but a system is wrong when it benefits those who do nothing at all.

Still, it won't be forever

hi, whats this 2o euro study allowance?

ANXIOUS · 13-10-2012 10:32AM

Anyone know any cheap pubs over the south side going to try blag my way into the rds. I found mixing with employed people give me back my sense if self worth.

Orange 2 you are going about it all wrong pal, you need to sign up to one of them deal yokes, or as I call then scratcher specials. Sure who else an go mid week? Great value breaks. Would you not go to the zoo, see I have it all sussed cuz I signed me self up to one of them spring board courses to get a student card. Bird in the doll office nearly fell off her seat when she seen the course I signed up for. So my advise ti you buddy is sign up for the next course starting and get the student card ASAP. Captain America cocktails €3 hair cuts €6, train cheap.

As me ole lad said to me, Johnny if you take unemployment a serious as people in the rat race take employment you'll always have a few shillings in the sky rocket.

rahmalec · 13-10-2012 10:55AM

This post might not belong here, but I didn't want to be the creator of what might be considered as another dole thread.

I've noticed that many people out of work claim to be constantly bored, have nothing to do, etc. Do so many people have nothing better to do with their lives than work in a crappy job making money for someone else? TBH, if I wasn't making any money I still wouldn't have enough time to do the things I want to do. Working a crap job would certainly make me bored, since then I would have extremely little time to do the things I'd like to do.

And btw, no, I'm not on the dole.

Oranage2 · 13-10-2012 10:56AM

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Anyone know any cheap pubs over the south side going to try blag my way into the rds. I found mixing with employed people give me back my sense if self worth.

Orange 2 you are going about it all wrong pal, you need to sign up to one of them deal yokes, or as I call then scratcher specials. Sure who else an go mid week? Great value breaks. Would you not go to the zoo, see I have it all sussed cuz I signed me self up to one of them spring board courses to get a student card. Bird in the doll office nearly fell off her seat when she seen the course I signed up for. So my advise ti you buddy is sign up for the next course starting and get the student card ASAP. Captain America cocktails €3 hair cuts €6, train cheap.

As me ole lad said to me, Johnny if you take unemployment a serious as people in the rat race take employment you'll always have a few shillings in the sky rocket.

I'm actually too depressed to do anything today, I was going to go for a walk but when i got to the front door I decided it was too cold, I dont know why anybody would brave that weather for whatever reason.

My mother's at me to go out a further my education saying she doesnt want me moping about all day, what's this springboard college thing?

A student card would be handy, my blu ray collection has taking a serious hit in the last few days and I know HMV do a student special, hopefully I can find a course 3-5 hours a week, Ballyfermott looks to have something I'm interested in.

Does unemployment get any worse?

homeless student · 13-10-2012 10:58AM

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Anyone know any cheap pubs over the south side going to try blag my way into the rds. I found mixing with employed people give me back my sense if self worth.

Orange 2 you are going about it all wrong pal, you need to sign up to one of them deal yokes, or as I call then scratcher specials. Sure who else an go mid week? Great value breaks. Would you not go to the zoo, see I have it all sussed cuz I signed me self up to one of them spring board courses to get a student card. Bird in the doll office nearly fell off her seat when she seen the course I signed up for. So my advise ti you buddy is sign up for the next course starting and get the student card ASAP. Captain America cocktails €3 hair cuts €6, train cheap.

As me ole lad said to me, Johnny if you take unemployment a serious as people in the rat race take employment you'll always have a few shillings in the sky rocket.

what course did you sign up for? do you know anything about this 20 euro study allowance?

rahmalec · 13-10-2012 11:02AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm actually too depressed to do anything today, I was going to go for a walk but when i got to the front door I decided it was too cold, I dont know why anybody would brave that weather for whatever reason.

My mother's at me to go out a further my education saying she doesnt want me moping about all day, what's this springboard college thing?

A student card would be handy, my blu ray collection has taking a serious hit in the last few days and I know HMV do a student special, hopefully I can find a course 3-5 hours a week, Ballyfermott looks to have something I'm interested in.

Does unemployment get any worse?

Maybe brave it anyway and walk fast? You'll soon warm up.
Learn an instrument? Get fit? Learn how to build websites or write software?
Just an example of worthwhile things to do.

homeless student · 13-10-2012 11:10AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm actually too depressed to do anything today, I was going to go for a walk but when i got to the front door I decided it was too cold, I dont know why anybody would brave that weather for whatever reason.

My mother's at me to go out a further my education saying she doesnt want me moping about all day, what's this springboard college thing?

A student card would be handy, my blu ray collection has taking a serious hit in the last few days and I know HMV do a student special, hopefully I can find a course 3-5 hours a week, Ballyfermott looks to have something I'm interested in.

Does unemployment get any worse?

why do you want to find a course with only 3 hours a week?

sunflower27 · 13-10-2012 11:19AM

homeless student wrote: »

hi, whats this 2o euro study allowance?

If you have been in reciept of a sw payment for a year, you are considered long term unemployed by fas. When you do a FAS course, FAS pay you, not social welfare, for its duration.

If you have been signing on for more than 312 days, you get the extra €20 per week for the duration of your course.

You have to get a form from FAS to get signed and stamped by social welfare to say how long you have been receiving SW benefits. This is usually done at the start of your course.

Hope that helps.

homeless student · 13-10-2012 11:21AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

If you have been in reciept of a sw payment for a year, you are considered long term unemployed by fas. When you do a FAS course, FAS pay you, not social welfare, for its duration.

If you have been signing on for more than 312 days, you get the extra €20 per week for the duration of your course.

You have to get a form from FAS to get signed and stamped by social welfare to say how long you have been receiving SW benefits. This is usually done at the start of your course.

Hope that helps.

cheers for the info:) doesnt apply to me, im doing a post grad part time but appreciate the detailed reply anyway.

ANXIOUS · 13-10-2012 11:22AM

homeless student wrote: »

why do you want to find a course with only 3 hours a week?

Id say the score everyone is going on about us fuel allowance. Have to be on the scatcher for 390 or something like that. The reason id say me pal above wants a short course is cuz he isn't going to go just wants the student card. The one I did was sustainable energy or something. Go to springboard.ie

homeless student · 13-10-2012 11:33AM

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Id say the score everyone is going on about us fuel allowance. Have to be on the scatcher for 390 or something like that. The reason id say me pal above wants a short course is cuz he isn't going to go just wants the student card. The one I did was sustainable energy or something. Go to springboard.ie

oooooooh just I was thinking if he didnt wanna be so depressed and bored anymore he could do a course with a good few hours to keep himself busy. dont know why the woman in the social welfare nearly fell off her chair, sustainable energy sounds like a good thing to study, not like your doing a course in tarot card reading or anything;)

say_who_now? · 13-10-2012 04:33PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Boombastic wrote: »

Did not know that, another kick in balls for those that are trying, while those that sat on their arse reap the awards:mad:

I applied and got accepted for an 8-month FAS course, which I am now doing. You need to be at least 312 days signed on to get the extra €20 a week allowance for studuing.

Yet another kick in the teeth.

Had I done nothing at all, I'd be €40 up per week (study allowance plus fuel allowance).

I did the internship to get me out of the house and learn some new skills. Total waste of time. I was waved off the moment my internship ended.

I would have been better off foing nothing at all - €160/month in fact.

I'm also doing a part-time counselling degree, so that money would have come in really handy for my fees and the personal therapy Ihave topay for as partofmy course.

Not everyone uses SW money to blow on drinking, smoking etc. I put mine to the best use I can (and am very grateful for it), but a system is wrong when it benefits those who do nothing at all.

Still, it won't be forever

Nothing much to add here except, sunflower? Absolute fair fcuks to you, and yes, it DOES and it WILL get better for you, having been on it myself for a while (well, disability, about 13 years ago when I had a hip op done), it can suck the motivation out of you and quite literally trap you in your own mental prison, so for you still to be so motivated and still keeping your brain ticking over and making great use of your time and your budget, I have to say I wholeheartedly admire your determination. You're one of very few, but they are out there, and life has a way of coming good once you put the groundwork in and keep building on it, building a solid future for yourself and not always having your future income dependent on the pen stroke of an incompetent government looking to be seen like they're doing something by shaving chunks off social welfare while at the same time giving themselves ridiculously disproportionate salaries and expenses allowances.

Never ceases to amaze me how willingly other people will kick another person when they're down, and just pay lip service to shyte talk about bankers and so on. The government of the day formed the system in which bankers and property developers thrived, people REALLY believed the current government now has the general public's interest at heart to recover Ireland's economy from the mess it's in now? Shows how gullible some people still are even now. They can barely cover their own àrse, which is all they're interested in, and that's why I'd feel sorry for any genuine person that finds themselves stuck in a position where they are dependent on a shìtty welfare system that are barely even the scraps off the table of the governments upcoming spending plans. The government doesn't need to budget like the rest of us- they just decide how much they need, and then increase taxes and make scathing cuts in essential services because we all need new roads to get to the few remaining hospitals that are left open, as fast as possible, right? School roof falling in on your child's head? But look, we just spent money on a brand new tourist centre for the 'merican tourists that wouldn't spend Christmas?

FÙCK, OFF!!

And the sooner, the better! Shower of nepotist, cronyist, cute hoorism bastids!

TL;DR? Fùcking right too, I'm scared to read back on that myself! :pac:

dd972 · 13-10-2012 07:49PM

Recent research supports the idea that having no job is healthier psychologically than having a job you hate.

I prefer not working to being in a call centre for instance, I'd imagine that it would be different for everyone according to their circumstances.

Any thoughts on the idea?

say_who_now? · 13-10-2012 08:36PM

dd972 wrote: »

Recent research supports the idea that having no job is healthier psychologically than having a job you hate.

I prefer not working to being in a call centre for instance, I'd imagine that it would be different for everyone according to their circumstances.

Any thoughts on the idea?

Have you any link to this recent research? I'd honestly have to have a thorough read of any research that suggested that isolation and desolation and destitution is in ANY way "psychologically healthier" than being employed in a job you are just not happy in. I'd find a lot more truth in the saying that it's easier to get another job when you have a job, than it is to get a job when you don't have a job.

petersburg2002 · 13-10-2012 09:08PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

Have you any link to this recent research? I'd honestly have to have a thorough read of any research that suggested that isolation and desolation and destitution is in ANY way "psychologically healthier" than being employed in a job you are just not happy in. I'd find a lot more truth in the saying that it's easier to get another job when you have a job, than it is to get a job when you don't have a job.

I worked in a call centre and it was the worst 6 months of my life. Having every minute of my work day timed (including toilet breaks). All the calls being monitored. Crazy targets to meet. And nasty customers who seem to enjoy ringng up and screaming abuse down the phone. It was a soul destroying experience and it took me months to get my confidence back. You need to be hard as nails for a job like that. I would happily sweep the roads instead!

J Mysterio · 13-10-2012 09:16PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Anyone know any cheap pubs over the south side going to try blag my way into the rds. I found mixing with employed people give me back my sense if self worth.

Orange 2 you are going about it all wrong pal, you need to sign up to one of them deal yokes, or as I call then scratcher specials. Sure who else an go mid week? Great value breaks. Would you not go to the zoo, see I have it all sussed cuz I signed me self up to one of them spring board courses to get a student card. Bird in the doll office nearly fell off her seat when she seen the course I signed up for. So my advise ti you buddy is sign up for the next course starting and get the student card ASAP. Captain America cocktails €3 hair cuts €6, train cheap.

As me ole lad said to me, Johnny if you take unemployment a serious as people in the rat race take employment you'll always have a few shillings in the sky rocket.

I'm actually too depressed to do anything today, I was going to go for a walk but when i got to the front door I decided it was too cold, I dont know why anybody would brave that weather for whatever reason.

My mother's at me to go out a further my education saying she doesnt want me moping about all day, what's this springboard college thing?

A student card would be handy, my blu ray collection has taking a serious hit in the last few days and I know HMV do a student special, hopefully I can find a course 3-5 hours a week, Ballyfermott looks to have something I'm interested in.

Does unemployment get any worse?

My blu ray collection has taken a hit. Oh my flucking god. You havent a clue.

say_who_now? · 13-10-2012 09:35PM

petersburg2002 wrote: »

I worked in a call centre and it was the worst 6 months of my life. Having every minute of my work day timed (including toilet breaks). All the calls being monitored. Crazy targets to meet. And nasty customers who seem to enjoy ringng up and screaming abuse down the phone. It was a soul destroying experience and it took me months to get my confidence back. You need to be hard as nails for a job like that. I would happily sweep the roads instead!

Not meaning to sound dismissive of your experience, but the poster suggested was it psychologically healthier to work in a job you hated, or be unemployed, if you are sweeping the roads, you're not exactly unemployed now in all fairness. I worked in some high pressure environments and now I run my own business and tbh there are days when I absolutely love it and thrive on the pressure, and days when I'd sooner be back breading chicken in supermacs, but I'd never again want to be on disability. It should be labelled cruel and unusual punishment / mental torture.

That's why I questioned the poster for the source of this research, as I wanted to see the criteria under which the research was conducted, because as your post displays, it's a very subjective opinion.

Oranage2 · 14-10-2012 12:26PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Day two of unemployment-

woke up at one, put Ellen on sly record and now in captain America for a spot of the early house menu, 15 not bad. This unemployed is what you make of it lads

Oranage2 wrote: »

Day three of unemployment-

Depression has kicked, I didnt think it would happen so fast, worst of all I spent all morning online looking for a carnival or circus to go to to help cheer me up but there's none in town . Also rang a few health spas to see if they'll do an unemployed special and F-all....FML

Day four of unemployment-

Good day today, I've got over my recent bout of depression. I'm ready to rejoin the dregs of society and be a worker bee again, made some real progress on Jobs.ie, spent 30 minutes looking didnt find anything I liked but it's good to know worst case senario I can just pick one of the crappier jobs to do.

After searching jobs.ie I followed some of your advice and decided I'll do a hobby, Camping.

8 man tent with main area - 360e
sleeping bag minus 30 degress - 60e
Trespass jacket - 125e

Cant wait to actually get out, I'll probably wait till May when it gets warm.

The key to the unemployment is to stay positive guys!

Life on the dole

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