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Bullied to death..

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  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    What a crock of sh!t. It's like saying that a drunk driver knocked someone down and they ended up in a coma. While in the coma they developed pnuemonia and died, therefore it's not the drunk driver's fault as the person could've developed pneumonia at any time :rolleyes:

    What if it's not a drunk driver.. If I just crash into the back of someone and they develop further complications, do I get done for manslaughter?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭Light Switch


    Slightly off topic but Kids try grow up way too fast!

    Look at the make-up/clothes they wear when going to teen discos.


    RIP to the girl.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    What if it's not a drunk driver.. If I just crash into the back of someone and they develop further complications, do I get done for manslaughter?

    If the person would still be alive if you hadn't crashed into them, then IMHO yes, you are guilty of veichular manslaughter, as the person died as a result of complications which developed from injuries received when you ran into the back of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    What if it's not a drunk driver.. If I just crash into the back of someone and they develop further complications, do I get done for manslaughter?

    If you're at fault yes.

    What this girl endured was no accident.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    I read a shared status on facebook about this and thought it was the usual fishing for likes with stories but I still felt sorry reading it.

    Poor girl, the people around should her realise exactly what THEY caused and I hope they rot in hell if they don't, the pervert that took the screenshot should be jailed.
    May she rest in peace

    And for the people saying shame on her for flashing, don't judge her, yeah sure she did it, big fúckin deal. Don't tell me you've all never did things you regret when you were her age. But unfortunately we're growing up in an age where everything we do can come back to haunt you due to technology, and most young people don't know that. Sure once you delete something, it's gone right? NO


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    I read a shared status on facebook about this and thought it was the usual fishing for likes with stories but I still felt sorry reading it.

    Poor girl, the people around should her realise exactly what THEY caused and I hope they rot in hell if they don't, the pervert that took the screenshot should be jailed.
    May she rest in peace

    And for the people saying shame on her for flashing, don't judge her, yeah sure she did it, big fúckin deal. Don't tell me you've all never did things you regret when you were her age. But unfortunately we're growing up in an age where everything we do can come back to haunt you due to technology, and most young people don't know that. Sure once you delete something, it's gone right? NO

    Well said.

    I really feel for the girl. She took a screenshot of her boobs. Big effing deal. You see just as much on a beach these days.

    She was a child, which some people seem to forget.

    If someone tried to bribe me with shots of my t*ts, I would be able to laugh it off and say go ahead... who cares.

    This young girl was unable to see that.

    She was young and sought solace in the arms of a guys who she thought cared about her. He only wanted onething and when his gf found out she then became enemy number one.

    It didnt help that she was pretty.... no doubt that incensed the gf further. Not sure why the gf made it about her and not the cheating boyfriend,but that is immaturity for you. :rolleyes:

    Irememberbeing in High School and howimportant it was to be liked and popular.

    To feel as if everyone hates you and wants you dead..... good God, I can only imagine the hurt and pain she endured.

    Anyone focusing on the fact she flashed her tits needs to cop the hell on. She was a teenager, at the age when a guy's opinion matters.... the creep that threatened her was aware of this and should be charged.

    The saddest thing of all is that she was unable to see that life goes on far beyond being liked in the schoolyard.

    May she rest in peace.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    One thing i don't get is,why the **** didn't anybody track the bastard down.If it was my daughter and this chap was after adding her on facebook i'd be straight onto the police,after all she is underage.Or if i had a way of gathering more information i'd be after smashing his door down and killing the bastard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Sad story but did she look for any help in the real world, or report the harassment and torment she was being subjected to? The media loves stories like this.. bullied to death by evil trolls on the evil internet. She obviously had some major issues with depression and anxiety. Obviously I'm only going on what is reported, but I doubt that the only cause of her suicide was bullying. Blaming it on just one thing hides elements of and over-simplifies what depression actually is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    Sad story but did she look for any help in the real world, or report the harassment and torment she was being subjected to? The media loves stories like this.. bullied to death by evil trolls on the evil internet. She obviously had some major issues with depression and anxiety. Obviously I'm only going on what is reported, but I doubt that the only cause of her suicide was bullying. Blaming it on just one thing hides elements of and over-simplifies what depression actually is.

    The 'blaming it on one thing' is over-simplifying it.

    She was alientated by everyone in her school and left to eat lunch on her own.

    She was also tracked down in her new school in a bid to make sure her life was hell when she moved on. That is what seems to have made her depressed and unable to leave the house.

    She was taunted and harrassed online daily and did not tell anyone because she was afraid. She had been beaten up and told to die by numerous people. She was no doubt petrified for her life. i sure would be ifpeople were saying they wanted me dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Tomk1


    Why wasn't this man caught/tracked down when he first tried to blackmail her, couldn't the "mounties" set up a sting operation? Then after he released that photo, why didn't the RCMP: Canadian-FBI work-with or force facebook "the social network" to aid in tracking him down, also have facebook left itself open to be sued by her parents for allowing a nude underage photo of their daughter on it's site.
    The man spread the photos around, causing the girl to be ridiculed by her classmates. According to Amanda's mother, Carol Todd, the girl developed depression, anxiety and started dabbling with alcohol and drugs.

    She changed schools, only to find the man had posted a Facebook page with her name and her naked photos plastered as profile pics.

    “I can never get that photo back,” Amanda had wrote, in a desperate plea to get her life back. Classmates at the new school started harassing her, until, one day beating her up in front of the school. Amanda ran home and attempted to kill herself, drinking bleach. That didn't stop the bullies however. They posted on her Facebook page that they wished she was dead.
    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Amanda-Todd-Teenager-Commits-Suicide-After-Asking-Bullies-to-Leave-Her-Be-on-YouTube-298908.shtml

    -but I guess FB is ok someone setup a RIP page that's getting 11K+ likes (note not the like's I want glad she's dead kind but the "we community should of done something" kind of thing but tad too busy posting what we had for breakie... I think her parents should make facebook remove all pages about her, because I think it's insulting that a site implicated in her bullying will now make a buck from her death, -it's a company incorporating a community

    There's a multi-lack of responsibility that let this girl down, the mounties, facebook for facilitating the targeting of this girl, the school system -"outside of school -not our responsibility. I read that her parents tried councilling, medication, moving schools twice, which also means school-bullying had taken place in 3 seperate schools -no excuses.
    -In a seperate story on school bullying of a 7yr old:
    "I did the proper channels. I told the teacher. She dealt with it in her way, it didn't stop. I went to the principal, it continued. I went to the parents, it stopped," she said.
    http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20121013/KAMLOOPS0101/121019930/-1/kamloops/kamloops-kids-suffer-bully-nightmares

    Back to the OP story
    This time around, Todd responded to the stress by cutting herself. Nonetheless, she even changed schools once again, and matters reportedly got worse, as she was beaten up by a group of girls who were associated with a boy she had flirted with.

    "Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on the ground. Teachers ran over but I just went and layed in a ditch and my dad found me," Todd further elaborated.
    http://www.enstarz.com/articles/7965/20121012/amanda-todd-death-bullied-teen-who-posted-video-on-youtube-commits-suicide.htm

    Sounds like that other thread where some have commented that it's a waste of Garda resources, too many bystanders of bullying do nothing and go along with it, just glad they're not the target & have a fear of standing together against bullying practices, because face it there is no "together" just everyone out for themselves to save their own asses.

    "Layed in the ditch" sounds like human-trash, but hard to accept that probably the ditch was the last safest place on this planet for her to be.

    This young brave girl stood up against being blackmailed, stood up against being bullied & the now the world is a lesser place without her.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Tomk1 wrote: »
    also have facebook left itself open to be sued by her parents for allowing a nude underage photo of their daughter on it's site

    There was a story about a guy from the North last year who was trying to sue Facebook because pictures of his naked 12 year old daughter were uploaded. A thread was posted here about it and practically everyone sided with Facebook on the matter. They blamed shoddy and lazy parenting instead.

    I wonder if they'd have the same views on this story. Surely with proper parenting the girl would have never been in a situation where she posted naked pictures of herself online.

    Actually, that thread was posted by the same OP as this one... - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056380846


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    This makes me so sad. All the blame being directed towards her and the parents. She shouldn't have taken photos of herself - seriously? What about the guy who stalked her and sent her photo to everyone she knew in an effort to embarrass her?

    The mom has taken to Twitter now to spread anti-bullying sentiment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    God just seen the story and watched the video i welled up very sad, I'm a bit confused and now i'm no expert but with parents knowing would it not have been better to stay and confront the problems instead of running away from them?? Rip and shame on the prick that blackmailed her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Any one know if the pictures of her in the morgue are real? very messed up if so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 gitterbug


    Sad fact of the matter is we have a generation of keyboard warriors that think its perfectly fine to abuse people through social media! Without a thought for that persons state of mind at that time. Before social media if we had a row we someone we had to stew all day and think about it, decide what we were going to say.

    now those things are posted in anger without thought with the sole intention of hurt. It's just too easy to abuse people.being around young people who just don't care how much they hurt each other is heartbreaking. A generation with no fear of consequences for their actions. Generation that doesn't understand that once something is posted in the Internet it's there FOREVER! Sad really :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER do or say anything online that you wouldn't be happy for the whole world to see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Shame on her for flashing and instantly putting him in possession of childporn..
    Shame on you for posting that. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Kimia wrote: »
    This makes me so sad. All the blame being directed towards her and the parents. She shouldn't have taken photos of herself - seriously? What about the guy who stalked her and sent her photo to everyone she knew in an effort to embarrass her?

    The mom has taken to Twitter now to spread anti-bullying sentiment.
    Kimia, it breaks my heart as well. What sort of society are we creating for ourselves?

    The child made a naive mistake, as she's entitled to do as a child. That anyone could attempt to direct some/any blame towards her is sickening. :(

    Very, very sickening.

    Compassion people, try it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    One thing i don't get is,why the **** didn't anybody track the bastard down.If it was my daughter and this chap was after adding her on facebook i'd be straight onto the police,after all she is underage.Or if i had a way of gathering more information i'd be after smashing his door down and killing the bastard.

    Per the comments on the Huffington Post they have tracked him down (the hacktivist group Anonymous) and have posted all his details on the net. However, I'd be dubious given the source of this information the problem being, to use their name, it is anonymous and in the same vain of keyboard warriors. But if genuine, hopefully they have passed all this information and proof to the Cops.
    Looks like Anonymous has: http://pastebin.com/6W8Ssw3k

    Or simply Google" Amanda Todd Anonymous" CBC News says that they posted everything on the pedo - he's a 30 year old in New West - yikes

    Social Networking and its downfalls should be part of every Civics class (is there are still such things) in secondary schools and possibly the art of how to ignore or develop a thick skin to anonymous posts. It baffles me in this case how no one stood up for this girl. She made a stupid mistake that kids do and yet was ridiculed by her own family and so called friends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    I feel like there are so many things that need to be added to the educational curriculum in schools nowadays.

    Bullying - there needs to be strong education done on this. Zero tolerance. An emphasis on empathy and treating others with consideration. This should be taught to children from the minute they step inside a school because (and I'm not excusing them, far from it) their parents may be unable/unwilling to do this.

    Sexual education - my god, this is due for a revamp. Girls who think that they need to a) have sex with boys so that boys will like them, b) boys who get their sex-ed from porn and as such have high expectations on themselves and others, c) the shame/embarrassment that STILL surrounds talking about sex, d) protection and more information on stds/pregnancy without judgement of abortion etc

    Interpersonal relationships & practicing tolerance - the fact is, Ireland is becoming multi-cultural. We need to expand our horizons and learn about the other communities that have immigrated to Ireland over the past however many years. Ignorance is not an excuse.

    Spirituality - rather than teaching about religion and what you should/should not do and what's a sin etc, why don't we teach children from a theological perspective about all the different religions or spiritual beliefs (including the likes of paganism, humanism etc) and what each believe. The history of the religions, and essential to this should be a discussion on tolerance for others (again).

    Basically, it's all about education and tolerance. The more we know, the less we fear, and the less we hate out of fear.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Magenta


    Tomk1 wrote: »

    There's a multi-lack of responsibility that let this girl down, the mounties, facebook for facilitating the targeting of this girl,

    Sorry, but do you even know how to use Facebook?
    You can prevent anyone who isn't on your friends list from messaging you.
    You can block people.
    You have to manually accept each and every friend request.
    You can set your account so that only you can see who posts on your wall.
    Facebook didn't facilitate anything. Do you blame knife manufacturers for facilitating stabbings?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Shame on the guy who forwarded the pictures.
    Shame on her for flashing and instantly putting him in possession of childporn.
    Shame on anyone who says the guy deserves manslaughter.. I read it that he forwarded the pictures and it was everyone in her life that bullied her.
    Shame on everyone in her life who thought a nudie pic was enough reason to bully someone.
    Shame on the Huffington Post for posting about 20 pictures of her.
    Shame on me? No.

    How is my comment so so so stupid? This isn't a condolences thread. It's a thread about getting naked online and the consequences.

    Yeah, that poor innocent pervert being forced to store and distribute child porn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Paddycrumlinman


    Sometimes I struggle to come to terms with how people and the world are. I'm truly sickened by what happened to this girl. I've a young daughter myself and the thoughts of this type of thing happening sends shivers down my back.

    As already mentioned on this topic, kids / humans can be sick beings at the best of time. The way society is going these days, for me its disgusting. I can only imagine how that poor girl felt. She made a mistake, she wanted to be liked, sure who doesn't? For the fact this other kid kept harassing her, setting up Facebook pages and tormenting her, well I would love to have 5 minutes alone with this kind of sadistic prick, it would be fun.

    It's a scarey world out there for the young folk growing up. It's a waste of a life, however, she is at peace now. I hope who ever contributed to the harassment and bullying gets what is coming to them.

    Sick world we live in which I can hardly relate to at all any more, I just don't understand the human condition and the way the world is. Very sad indeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭marshbaboon


    Found it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    I watched her Youtube video - one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

    Yes, she made mistakes, one of which happened when she was 12. 12! Everyone does stupid things at that age (hers may have been stupider than most, but she was young and naive). Imagine being followed for years after that. What that guy did was stalking. Not just bullying or trolling - stalking. He tracked her down, tracked down her friends and family.

    And her second mistake - no matter who she "hooked up with", she didn't deserve to be beaten up and to have taunts made about her suicide attempt. Who DOES that?! Who hears about someone trying to kill themselves and thinks "Great, I'll send them pictures of pills/bleach/knives/etc."?!

    Poor girl. She was clearly vulnerable, but I imagine not many young girls could have coped with what she had to deal with. The internet is a dangerous thing for naive teenagers, and even more dangerous when unhinged people like that stalker get their hands on it. They should teach online safety in schools and to parents - it's SO important and cases like these only highlight that.

    There are some seriously sick people in this world.

    RIP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Found it.
    Hilarious :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭GoldenLight


    I would also like to add (not for shock value) but from the ages 8 to 12, we where still playing Doc and Nurses (It was between a very small group of us equal in age, between 1 or 2 age difference eg girls 10 boys 12, you show me yours I will show mine, no one touched, it just seemed very natural to to do) That was back in the 1980's (my point and it fails, we did experiment as kids)

    Sure if any of the guys mentioned it they would have being beatten up by the girls. And equally bad for the girls who mentioned it would have being blanked by the guys

    that was 1980's, those kids could program a computer, everyone of them to sing for them, we knew more than the programming Dads, who design programs did.

    And then what we have now, we our so terrified that our kids will miss out on "LIFE" in cyberspace that we let them miss out on real life right here and now.

    I would hate to be a teenager growing up in this international voyeurism, I had enough problems growing up with 20 people kicking the crap out of me

    I feel for Amanda Todd, and you know what I believe most people do, I took a look at the evidence online, as far as I'm concerned their is one guy to blame (but he is protected by the internet), on every other grounds the internet is to blame for the death of a child of 16, who made a mistake at the age of 12, she messed up at 12, and that ruined her life for four years, until she died at 16 ( say that aloud in side your head ) the internet killed her, it's hugeness, it's availability to be anonymous, it's availability to pretend to be someone else.

    It so easy to do, most of the people on this thread are doing it ( in small amounts) (pretending and most of us are Adults)

    I don't know how to change it Amanda, I am so sorry, they didn't even break your heart they shattered it in to such small piece, that your life will actually count, it will reach us and make us stronger and better. Be Safe angel X


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zulu wrote: »
    Shame on you for posting that. :(

    Why? And please don't mention her irrelevant current circumstances or who exactly she did it to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Why?
    Because you blame a child for being a child and claim it's something to be ashamed of.

    Worst still, you also disingenuously blame the child for producing & distributing "child pornography", which considering the circumstances, is despicable.

    ...but you know all this, your post was designed to invoke a reaction. :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    What goes on the net, stays on the net.

    That should be hammered into kids at school. You do nothing online without the explicit understanding that it may come back to haunt you.

    You've been warned, now sit back and enjoy the 5,000,000+ scat porn websites


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