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Keep Calm And Discuss Retro Generally!

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  • #2702
    Steve X2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    Nice retro style ad for Wreck-It Ralph.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF_LJfwFsE4


    Click for larger:
    17675153371630997854818.jpg


  • #2703
    Sparks43
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    Dinorex i hate you

    YES YOU I HATE YOU


    This game has me as a blubbering wreck

    I hear the songs and beat in my head

    I cannot finish the final remix no matter how hard i try

    I need a Beat the beat Exorcist :eek:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VFmHOFlko


  • #2704
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Megadrive FM Synth at its best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZt33h6j-fY


  • #2705
    DinoRex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭DinoRex


    Sparks43 wrote: »
    Dinorex i hate you

    YES YOU I HATE YOU


    This game has me as a blubbering wreck

    I hear the songs and beat in my head

    I cannot finish the final remix no matter how hard i try

    I need a Beat the beat Exorcist :eek:

    haha... I haven't even played it since Atavan's place. Just found it there on Saturday while looking for something else... now I just need to find my Wii.


  • #2706
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Good article about games ripping off movie and other art for it's own artwork:

    http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/tracing/tracing.htm


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  • #2707
    Jack burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Good article about games ripping off movie and other art for it's own artwork:

    http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/tracing/tracing.htm

    Well I'll openly admit to looking at film posters etc for poses and other stuff, but some of those are just so obvious its horrible haha

    On another note, the Game Heroes is no longer

    http://thegameheroes.com/


  • #2708
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Can't say I'll miss them. I thought Handsome Tom was terrible at screwattack, not as bad as stuttering craig but still pretty poor.


  • #2709
    Jack burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Yeah neither or was outstanding but its still some news


  • #2710
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Saving money already buy selling PAL & buying NTSC. I made about €20 on Zelda & Mariokart alone, & kept my Zelda Map and Secrets book so its still cib.

    Changing to NTSC & making a profit too, in yo face PAL!


  • #2711
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    PAL gaming. A mug's game.


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  • #2712
    Jack burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    My Mega Drive collection begs to differ!

    Only looking at Secret of Evermore last night, found a few PAL ones but I'll hold out for an american one!


  • #2713
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,763 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Now now, PAL gaming my not suffice to some but one should remember that the majority of retro gaming memories out there were born on Pal systems, on Megadrives not Genesis'.
    So, with this in mind, try not to be so down on Pal machines.
    You may be alienating those who are not tuned into NTSC @ 60Hz, via RGB.
    The majority of folk who may happen on this forum during a search are likely to be Pal machine owners and should be encouraged to believe that the playing of classics like SMW or Sonic 2 is a worthwhile endevour.
    Lets not appear to be saying otherwise!


  • #2714
    The Last Bandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Now now, PAL gaming my not suffice to some but one should remember that the majority of retro gaming memories out there were born on Pal systems, on Megadrives not Genesis'.
    So, with this in mind, try not to be so down on Pal machines.
    You may be alienating those who are not tuned into NTSC @ 60Hz, via RGB.
    The majority of folk who may happen on this forum during a search are likely to be Pal machine owners and should be encouraged to believe that the playing of classics like SMW or Sonic 2 is a worthwhile endevour.
    Lets not appear to be saying otherwise!

    Yes, lets not be frequency snobs :)


  • #2715
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    My point is that why the hell would you go PAL these days? It's massively inferior for most consoles, especially the 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit consoles.

    Back when we knew no different we only bought PAL games because it was either that or pay a premium importing from mail order, out of reach my most youngsters, or get ripped off by Mr. Calculator.

    Now with credit cards and the open market there's no reason to ever buy PAL games. NTSC is a better experience for playing games and it's cheaper. Ignorance is bliss and all but when you build up a PAL collection and then later realise how superior NTSC is later down the line you'll feel like you've wasted your time. It's how I feel about my N64 and PS1 collections.

    There's a few PAL exclusives alright that are worth owning and tracking down but for common stuff like Sonic 2 it doesn't make any sense to go PAL. Even most of the PAL exclusives are much better on a NTSC machine. I got Terranigma for a friend in the US and tested it on my PAL SNES and it's a travesty of a PAL conversion. There's a few exceptions to the rule like Alien Soldier though.

    I'm just giving people good advice. If you want to start collecting seriously, collect NTSC because later down the line you'll probably end up regretting collecting PAL games. It will also save you money.

    One of the big reasons I'm into old games is because I can experience what I couldn't when I was younger. Why settle for the lesser experience of what I had as a young'un when I can get full RGB and NTSC like Superplay always told me was better and all those US games that were previously denied to me?


  • #2716
    DinoRex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭DinoRex


    SECAM FTW!


  • #2717
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Now now, PAL gaming my not suffice to some but one should remember that the majority of retro gaming memories out there were born on Pal systems, on Megadrives not Genesis'.
    So, with this in mind, try not to be so down on Pal machines.
    You may be alienating those who are not tuned into NTSC @ 60Hz, via RGB.
    The majority of folk who may happen on this forum during a search are likely to be Pal machine owners and should be encouraged to believe that the playing of classics like SMW or Sonic 2 is a worthwhile endevour.
    Lets not appear to be saying otherwise!

    Hang on a minute,

    Shmup eliteism is allowed
    NTSC-J eliteism is allowed
    CIB eliteism is allowed

    I need at least one form of eliteism to fight back with...I'm no good at shmups, I've got no NTSC-J stuff at the mo, & I'm moving away from CIB when it comes to the Snes because the boxes are so sh1t...so I must be allowed fight back with NTSC eliteism, I simply must be :D


  • #2718
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Might be of interest to some of you, since we all have unreasonable obsession / nostalgia for artifacts from the 1990s: AV Club doing their meaningless / subjective but interesting rundown of 'the best' fifty films of the 90s this week. First forty are up:

    http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-1-of-3,86304/1/
    http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-2-of-3,86361/1/


  • #2719
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Any thoughts on Illusion of Gaia? Is it any good for an rpg newb?


  • #2720
    Jack burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    So your saying my Mega Drive collection is balls! Well the fact that that MD is so easy to get 60HZ and RGB on make it fairly indifferent to which region you have, for the vast majority of games. Like Gunstar Heroes, is playing a PAL copy on a modded machine much different to playing a NTSC copy?

    Plus PS1, go for the US? I neve really thought about that, not possible to overclock a PAL PS1?


  • #2721
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Jack burton wrote: »
    So your saying my Mega Drive collection is balls! Well the fact that that MD is so easy to get 60HZ and RGB on make it fairly indifferent to which region you have, for the vast majority of games. Like Gunstar Heroes, is playing a PAL copy on a modded machine much different to playing a NTSC copy?

    Well no, not in the case where they can adequetly run at 60Hz. In that case PAL is fine, except where you have stuff cut from the game in which case its time again to look at NTSC. Artwork can also be a factor.
    Plus PS1, go for the US? I neve really thought about that, not possible to overclock a PAL PS1?

    Not entirely sure, I'm looking only at cart based stuff at the mo. Does the PS1 do PAL60?


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  • #2722
    Jack burton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Well no, not in the case where they can adequetly run at 60Hz. In that case PAL is fine, except where you have stuff cut from the game in which case its time again to look at NTSC. Artwork can also be a factor.

    Oh yeah in terms of that NTSC, probpoly Japanese, is the way to go! Especially in terms of artwork!

    For SNES though go American because the carts look cool!


  • #2723
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Jack burton wrote: »
    Oh yeah in terms of that NTSC, probpoly Japanese, is the way to go! Especially in terms of artwork!

    For SNES though go American because the carts look cool!

    I have to say, I do like the look of the US carts. It's tough to call which format to buy on in some cases, NTSC-J doesn't always have the best art.


  • #2724
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Any thoughts on Illusion of Gaia? Is it any good for an rpg newb?

    It's one of Quintet's SNES RPGs, do you really have to ask? It's brilliant.


  • #2725
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    It's one of Quintet's SNES RPGs, do you really have to ask? It's brilliant.

    I was watching 16bit gems last night, the episode on it...it really does look excellent. It seems friendly enough to rpg news, & looks in parts like Zelda 3 type action. I think I'll pick it up at some stage. I take it the NTSC-J version is all in Japanese so go NTSC-U for this yeah?


  • #2726
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Jack burton wrote: »
    So your saying my Mega Drive collection is balls! Well the fact that that MD is so easy to get 60HZ and RGB on make it fairly indifferent to which region you have, for the vast majority of games. Like Gunstar Heroes, is playing a PAL copy on a modded machine much different to playing a NTSC copy?

    Depends on the game. Some are optimised for PAL. Some have only the music optimised for PAL. Stick those games into 60 Hz and you'll have the gameplay ruined or else the music will be terrible.

    Or you can avoid the headache and go for NTSC :P
    Jack burton wrote: »
    Plus PS1, go for the US? I neve really thought about that, not possible to overclock a PAL PS1?

    The game will dictate whether the game plays in 50 or 60 Hz. Put a NTSC game in a PAL PS1 it will display in NTSC. The problem with the PS1 and Saturn is that so few of the games were optimised and there's so many long ass RPGs that going PAL is the wrong way to go. Stuff like the Final Fantasy games are really terrible in the PAL form and the only reason to get the PAL versions is that the box art is way better than the disgusting US box art.

    Even on the PS2 and DC there's some poor conversions. Squaresofts output on the PS2 is dreadful. Even when they did conversions for later stuff like Kingdom Hearts 2 all they did was increase the resolution to PAL and kept the slow down. It was only late in the PS2's life that Sony let developers have NTSC modes, the PS2 doesn't support PAL 60. Lots of early games like Devil May Cry are really poor in PAL form in comparison to NTSC versions. Most DC games have PAL 60 but there's a few that have poor PAL conversions, Maken X being one.


  • #2727
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Got a good laugh out of these photos: http://kotaku.com/5950132/this-lady-appears-to-be-floating

    Such a ridiculous amount of effort to go through for some (admittedly brilliant) photographs.


  • #2728
    Nerdkiller1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭Nerdkiller1991


    But what about retro games that were developed in Europe? I'm probably gonna pick up Super Turrican when I get a Super Nintendo, and surely, that has to be developed with PAL in mind. I also heard that the Mega Drive version of Shadow of the Beast wasn't optimised for NTSC (of all things), so the game actually runs faster.


  • #2729
    moonlighting
    Closed Accounts Posts: 470 ✭✭moonlighting


    N64 PAL vs NTSC Comparison - Super Mario 64




    PAL - 0:00
    NTSC - 1:40


  • #2730
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »
    But what about retro games that were developed in Europe? I'm probably gonna pick up Super Turrican when I get a Super Nintendo, and surely, that has to be developed with PAL in mind. I also heard that the Mega Drive version of Shadow of the Beast wasn't optimised for NTSC (of all things), so the game actually runs faster.

    There are the PAL exclusives, but the ones worth owning are few & far between.


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  • #2731
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,327 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Most European developed games fall into a few camps. Amiga games converted by an American company to run on NTSC machines so optimised for 60 Hz. Or games that were sped up for the US release, stuff like shadow of the beast and Back to the Future 3. Going by how lazy these ports are it's no surprise that these games are **** and not worth owning anyway.


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