Keep Calm And Discuss Retro Generally!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZt33h6j-fY

Megadrive FM Synth at its best:

DinoRex

Sparks43 wrote: »

Dinorex i hate you

YES YOU I HATE YOU

This game has me as a blubbering wreck

I hear the songs and beat in my head

I cannot finish the final remix no matter how hard i try

I need a Beat the beat Exorcist :eek:

haha... I haven't even played it since Atavan's place. Just found it there on Saturday while looking for something else... now I just need to find my Wii.

Good article about games ripping off movie and other art for it's own artwork:

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/tracing/tracing.htm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Good article about games ripping off movie and other art for it's own artwork:

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/tracing/tracing.htm

Well I'll openly admit to looking at film posters etc for poses and other stuff, but some of those are just so obvious its horrible haha

On another note, the Game Heroes is no longer

http://thegameheroes.com/

Can't say I'll miss them. I thought Handsome Tom was terrible at screwattack, not as bad as stuttering craig but still pretty poor.

Yeah neither or was outstanding but its still some news

Saving money already buy selling PAL & buying NTSC. I made about €20 on Zelda & Mariokart alone, & kept my Zelda Map and Secrets book so its still cib.

Changing to NTSC & making a profit too, in yo face PAL!

PAL gaming. A mug's game.

My Mega Drive collection begs to differ!

Only looking at Secret of Evermore last night, found a few PAL ones but I'll hold out for an american one!

CiDeRmAn

Now now, PAL gaming my not suffice to some but one should remember that the majority of retro gaming memories out there were born on Pal systems, on Megadrives not Genesis'.
So, with this in mind, try not to be so down on Pal machines.
You may be alienating those who are not tuned into NTSC @ 60Hz, via RGB.
The majority of folk who may happen on this forum during a search are likely to be Pal machine owners and should be encouraged to believe that the playing of classics like SMW or Sonic 2 is a worthwhile endevour.
Lets not appear to be saying otherwise!

The Last Bandit

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Now now, PAL gaming my not suffice to some but one should remember that the majority of retro gaming memories out there were born on Pal systems, on Megadrives not Genesis'.
So, with this in mind, try not to be so down on Pal machines.
You may be alienating those who are not tuned into NTSC @ 60Hz, via RGB.
The majority of folk who may happen on this forum during a search are likely to be Pal machine owners and should be encouraged to believe that the playing of classics like SMW or Sonic 2 is a worthwhile endevour.
Lets not appear to be saying otherwise!

Yes, lets not be frequency snobs

My point is that why the hell would you go PAL these days? It's massively inferior for most consoles, especially the 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit consoles.

Back when we knew no different we only bought PAL games because it was either that or pay a premium importing from mail order, out of reach my most youngsters, or get ripped off by Mr. Calculator.

Now with credit cards and the open market there's no reason to ever buy PAL games. NTSC is a better experience for playing games and it's cheaper. Ignorance is bliss and all but when you build up a PAL collection and then later realise how superior NTSC is later down the line you'll feel like you've wasted your time. It's how I feel about my N64 and PS1 collections.

There's a few PAL exclusives alright that are worth owning and tracking down but for common stuff like Sonic 2 it doesn't make any sense to go PAL. Even most of the PAL exclusives are much better on a NTSC machine. I got Terranigma for a friend in the US and tested it on my PAL SNES and it's a travesty of a PAL conversion. There's a few exceptions to the rule like Alien Soldier though.

I'm just giving people good advice. If you want to start collecting seriously, collect NTSC because later down the line you'll probably end up regretting collecting PAL games. It will also save you money.

One of the big reasons I'm into old games is because I can experience what I couldn't when I was younger. Why settle for the lesser experience of what I had as a young'un when I can get full RGB and NTSC like Superplay always told me was better and all those US games that were previously denied to me?

DinoRex

SECAM FTW!

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Now now, PAL gaming my not suffice to some but one should remember that the majority of retro gaming memories out there were born on Pal systems, on Megadrives not Genesis'.
So, with this in mind, try not to be so down on Pal machines.
You may be alienating those who are not tuned into NTSC @ 60Hz, via RGB.
The majority of folk who may happen on this forum during a search are likely to be Pal machine owners and should be encouraged to believe that the playing of classics like SMW or Sonic 2 is a worthwhile endevour.
Lets not appear to be saying otherwise!

Hang on a minute,

Shmup eliteism is allowed
NTSC-J eliteism is allowed
CIB eliteism is allowed

I need at least one form of eliteism to fight back with...I'm no good at shmups, I've got no NTSC-J stuff at the mo, & I'm moving away from CIB when it comes to the Snes because the boxes are so sh1t...so I must be allowed fight back with NTSC eliteism, I simply must be

johnny_ultimate

Might be of interest to some of you, since we all have unreasonable obsession / nostalgia for artifacts from the 1990s: AV Club doing their meaningless / subjective but interesting rundown of 'the best' fifty films of the 90s this week. First forty are up:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-1-of-3,86304/1/
http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-50-best-films-of-the-90s-2-of-3,86361/1/

Any thoughts on Illusion of Gaia? Is it any good for an rpg newb?

So your saying my Mega Drive collection is balls! Well the fact that that MD is so easy to get 60HZ and RGB on make it fairly indifferent to which region you have, for the vast majority of games. Like Gunstar Heroes, is playing a PAL copy on a modded machine much different to playing a NTSC copy?

Plus PS1, go for the US? I neve really thought about that, not possible to overclock a PAL PS1?

Jack burton wrote: »

So your saying my Mega Drive collection is balls! Well the fact that that MD is so easy to get 60HZ and RGB on make it fairly indifferent to which region you have, for the vast majority of games. Like Gunstar Heroes, is playing a PAL copy on a modded machine much different to playing a NTSC copy?

Well no, not in the case where they can adequetly run at 60Hz. In that case PAL is fine, except where you have stuff cut from the game in which case its time again to look at NTSC. Artwork can also be a factor.

Plus PS1, go for the US? I neve really thought about that, not possible to overclock a PAL PS1?

Not entirely sure, I'm looking only at cart based stuff at the mo. Does the PS1 do PAL60?

EnterNow wrote: »

Well no, not in the case where they can adequetly run at 60Hz. In that case PAL is fine, except where you have stuff cut from the game in which case its time again to look at NTSC. Artwork can also be a factor.

Oh yeah in terms of that NTSC, probpoly Japanese, is the way to go! Especially in terms of artwork!

For SNES though go American because the carts look cool!

Jack burton wrote: »

Oh yeah in terms of that NTSC, probpoly Japanese, is the way to go! Especially in terms of artwork!

For SNES though go American because the carts look cool!

I have to say, I do like the look of the US carts. It's tough to call which format to buy on in some cases, NTSC-J doesn't always have the best art.

EnterNow wrote: »

Any thoughts on Illusion of Gaia? Is it any good for an rpg newb?

It's one of Quintet's SNES RPGs, do you really have to ask? It's brilliant.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's one of Quintet's SNES RPGs, do you really have to ask? It's brilliant.

I was watching 16bit gems last night, the episode on it...it really does look excellent. It seems friendly enough to rpg news, & looks in parts like Zelda 3 type action. I think I'll pick it up at some stage. I take it the NTSC-J version is all in Japanese so go NTSC-U for this yeah?

Jack burton wrote: »

So your saying my Mega Drive collection is balls! Well the fact that that MD is so easy to get 60HZ and RGB on make it fairly indifferent to which region you have, for the vast majority of games. Like Gunstar Heroes, is playing a PAL copy on a modded machine much different to playing a NTSC copy?

Depends on the game. Some are optimised for PAL. Some have only the music optimised for PAL. Stick those games into 60 Hz and you'll have the gameplay ruined or else the music will be terrible.

Or you can avoid the headache and go for NTSC :P

Jack burton wrote: »

Plus PS1, go for the US? I neve really thought about that, not possible to overclock a PAL PS1?

The game will dictate whether the game plays in 50 or 60 Hz. Put a NTSC game in a PAL PS1 it will display in NTSC. The problem with the PS1 and Saturn is that so few of the games were optimised and there's so many long ass RPGs that going PAL is the wrong way to go. Stuff like the Final Fantasy games are really terrible in the PAL form and the only reason to get the PAL versions is that the box art is way better than the disgusting US box art.

Even on the PS2 and DC there's some poor conversions. Squaresofts output on the PS2 is dreadful. Even when they did conversions for later stuff like Kingdom Hearts 2 all they did was increase the resolution to PAL and kept the slow down. It was only late in the PS2's life that Sony let developers have NTSC modes, the PS2 doesn't support PAL 60. Lots of early games like Devil May Cry are really poor in PAL form in comparison to NTSC versions. Most DC games have PAL 60 but there's a few that have poor PAL conversions, Maken X being one.

johnny_ultimate

Got a good laugh out of these photos: http://kotaku.com/5950132/this-lady-appears-to-be-floating

Such a ridiculous amount of effort to go through for some (admittedly brilliant) photographs.

Nerdkiller1991

But what about retro games that were developed in Europe? I'm probably gonna pick up Super Turrican when I get a Super Nintendo, and surely, that has to be developed with PAL in mind. I also heard that the Mega Drive version of Shadow of the Beast wasn't optimised for NTSC (of all things), so the game actually runs faster.

moonlighting

N64 PAL vs NTSC Comparison - Super Mario 64

PAL - 0:00
NTSC - 1:40

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

But what about retro games that were developed in Europe? I'm probably gonna pick up Super Turrican when I get a Super Nintendo, and surely, that has to be developed with PAL in mind. I also heard that the Mega Drive version of Shadow of the Beast wasn't optimised for NTSC (of all things), so the game actually runs faster.

There are the PAL exclusives, but the ones worth owning are few & far between.