should the state continue to hand out welfare to smokers.

ted1 · 08-10-2012 10:47PM #1

Treatments for smoke related illnesses cost the state hundreds of millions every year. As those on welfare are already a burden to society, should we as a nation continue to hand them out money so that they may become a even greater burden.

areyawell · 08-10-2012 10:48PM

I love buying my fags with my lovely dole money. Thanks for paying for them whoever works. I'm in love with the dole xxx

starbelgrade · 08-10-2012 10:50PM

If we left the poor to die, jailed the rich, send all the furigners home, kicked the Brits out, hung the priests, set fire to the Dail and bombed the IMF, do you think we'd have radio silence in AH?

girl in the striped socks · 08-10-2012 10:50PM

God I hope you never have to join a dole queue.

Wee Willy Harris · 08-10-2012 10:50PM

That's a very, very good question where's the tobacco allowance, cos all my dole seems to go on tobacco related schtuff

El Guapo! · 08-10-2012 10:51PM

Why do smokers always get treated like outcasts in todays society??

Mint Sauce · 08-10-2012 10:51PM

ah not again!

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eth0 · 08-10-2012 10:52PM

ted1 wrote: »

Treatments for smoke related illnesses cost the state hundreds of millions every year. As those on welfare are already a burden to society, should we as a nation continue to hand them out money so that they may become a even greater burden.

If they don't get a smoke related illness they'll get something else and that will also cost money to treat. Ideally for the state everyone would live a healthy life till they're 65 and then goe on a massive bender and die soon after.

meathstevie · 08-10-2012 10:52PM

Given the fact that a packet of fags is practically all excise duty and vat why the hell not.

candy-gal1 · 08-10-2012 10:53PM

Well Im not a smoker so im probably biased on the matter, but if the rumours ive heard are true that cigarettes are gradually going to go up to 15e then tbh anyone willing to pay that for them, even now their pricing is excessive, should be seriously thinking twice about quitting them if on the dole, thats an incentive in itself

Lando Griffin · 08-10-2012 10:53PM

Alot of these smoking related illnesses are treatable hence keeping doctors and nurses in employment and off the horrors of social welfare.

girl in the striped socks · 08-10-2012 10:54PM

Dean09 wrote: »

Why do smokers always get treated like outcasts in todays society??

Because ye are outcasts.
You would probably be treated better if you were a leper with open sores oozing out aids.

Chucken · 08-10-2012 10:54PM

ted1 wrote: »

As those on welfare are already a burden to society,

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chickendinner · 08-10-2012 10:55PM

If you are on the dole and smoke cigarettes, you will die
faster and save the country money, plus the tax on fags is huge.

Cigarettes are actually a profit product for countries

dttq · 08-10-2012 10:55PM

Listening to those foam-in-the-mouth right wingers at the Daily Mail, John Waters, Ian O' Doherty and Kevin Myers, you would be lead to believe that the €150 or so the average dole recipient gets weekly is stretched enough to the point where one on the dole lives the life of Reilly, smoking and drinking away on a daily basis, while sitting down to their Sky tv package, where they then proceed to order their daily rounds of Pizza deliveries, while they plan their next excursion to the Meditereanan. Of course, most rational people are aware that most on the dole are not living this lifestyle. This OP post has a similar angle to it.

I would also add that smokers on the dole probably have it even harder than non-smokers given that anywhere from €40-70 is spent on cigarettes/ tobacco on a weekly basis. Also, smokers pay taxes too, why should they be deprived of a hand from the society they too paid into, just because they happen to smoke.

SCOOP 64 · 08-10-2012 10:57PM

As you say "As those on welfare are already a burden to society"
What would you like seen to be done with the 450,000?

Tombi! · 08-10-2012 10:59PM

You do realize they're taxed to Hell and back, yes? So it's fair all around.

Chucken · 08-10-2012 11:00PM

nig1 wrote: »

As you say "As those on welfare are already a burden to society"
What would you like seen to be done with the 450,000?

They should get a job.....obviously

...or be shot.

MistyCheese · 08-10-2012 11:01PM

No!
They should get cigarette vouchers, so that they won't be spending their welfare money down the pub.

Or, smokers should have a "smoker's supplement" taken from their benefit every week and this will be paid directly to the cigarette sellers. That way the cigarette sellers will be guaranteed their money every week. The "smoker's supplement" will allow for one 20 pack a day but there will be a minimum contribution of €2.64 that smokers have to make so the supplement will be €61.56 weekly.

08-10-2012 11:02PM

ted1 wrote: »

Treatments for smoke related illnesses cost the state hundreds of millions every year. As those on welfare are already a burden to society, should we as a nation continue to hand them out money so that they may become a even greater burden.

Oh my fúcking jaysus christ.

Bipolar Joe · 08-10-2012 11:03PM

Just when I thought all the retarded threads in AH had been made, Ted makes an appearance. Thanks, Ted, for restoring my faith in humanity's stupidity!

starbelgrade · 08-10-2012 11:05PM

When I was in college, I used to have to go to a welfare officer once a month to ask for rent allowance.

The dole was paid directly into my bank account, so getting the rent allowance was a real nuisance as the office closed at 12 and I had to get up early. Not an easy task when you've been up all night smoking weed & playing FIFA.

judgefudge · 08-10-2012 11:06PM

What about obese people? Alcoholics? Where does it end.

ted1 · 08-10-2012 11:07PM

How many of you who have objected to this post, supported taking away the pupil allowance for kids that go to semi private schools?

Lapin · 08-10-2012 11:07PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

If we left the poor to die, jailed the rich, send all the furigners home, kicked the Brits out, hung the priests, set fire to the Dail and bombed the IMF, do you think we'd have radio silence in AH?

No.

The farmers would still find something to protest about.

Especially the tobacco farmers in this case.

Lumbo · 08-10-2012 11:08PM

judgefudge wrote: »

What about obese people? Alcoholics? Where does it end.

Stars on their clothes to identify them.

Chucken · 08-10-2012 11:08PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

When I was in college, I used to have to go to a welfare officer once a month to ask for rent allowance.

The dole was paid directly into my bank account, so getting the rent allowance was a real nuisance as the office closed at 12 and I had to get up early. Not an easy task when you've been up all night smoking weed & playing FIFA.

Bloody inconsiderate is what that was :mad:
Surely they could've had it brought to you maybe a bit later in the day!
...feckin gubbernment :mad::mad:

Vicar in a tutu · 08-10-2012 11:10PM

Its almost as if most people think that everyone on the dole is some sort of leeching parasite, I couldnt give a shit if someone spent their money on smokes, its not my business, do they not deserve any little pleasures because they cant find work? , They arent subhuman.

Chucken · 08-10-2012 11:11PM

MistyCheese wrote: »

No!
They should get cigarette vouchers, so that they won't be spending their welfare money down the pub.

Or, smokers should have a "smoker's supplement" taken from their benefit every week and this will be paid directly to the cigarette sellers. That way the cigarette sellers will be guaranteed their money every week. The "smoker's supplement" will allow for one 20 pack a day but there will be a minimum contribution of €2.64 that smokers have to make so the supplement will be €61.56 weekly.

Drink supplement would be great too. Then we'd all be sorted considering everything else gets paid for by welfare

Shryke · 08-10-2012 11:13PM

ted1 wrote: »

Treatments for smoke related illnesses cost the state hundreds of millions every year. As those on welfare are already a burden to society, should we as a nation continue to hand them out money so that they may become a even greater burden.

I don't agree with calling people on welfare a burden. There are not jobs for everyone and the majority want to work.
They are not a greater burden and contribute plenty to the coffers.
A man with a decisive mind like yours should turn his gaze to very sick people and old people. Sure they're never going to work again, only suck up money and die. You might as well throw them all in a big fire and we as a nation can heat the water with this corpse fire and save on the electricity and turf.
Tax fat people more while you're at it. Clear health issue there. Fat people on the dole? Put them all on treadmills attached to generators and they'll help keep the lights on and get healthier, and if they collapse you can throw them in the corpse fire.

themadchef · 08-10-2012 11:13PM

A year passed: Winter changed into Spring, Spring changed into Summer, Summer changed back into Winter, and Winter gave Spring and Summer a miss and went straight on into Autumn... until one day...

we had something new to argue about.

should the state continue to hand out welfare to smokers.

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