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Anger over TD Wallace’s hitman boast

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Biggins wrote: »
    Well (to be honest), people voted for Haughty, Mr Ahern and others... I can't understand the mentality but sadly they do vote for such characters. :(

    Were you ever a member of Fianna Fail? I saw someone allude to it the other day.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Were you ever a member of Fianna Fail? I saw someone allude to it the other day.

    Yes, stated this a number of times over thread on boards.ie and will state it again for clarity.

    Was a basic member of a FF cumman before moving to eventual chairman of said cumman, then in time moved to county level which gave access to party details previously not accessible.
    When I had this ability and saw/read what I did and what was then asked of me within hours of gaining such a position, I immediately resigned.

    I not wanted then and still do not want anything to to do with any party which is corrupt from within.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Biggins wrote: »
    Yes, stated this a number of times over thread on boards.ie and will state it again for clarity.

    Was a basic member of a FF cumman before moving to eventual chairman of said cumman, then in time moved to county level which gave access to party details previously not accessible.
    When I had this ability and saw/read what I did and what was then asked of me within hours of gaining such a position, I immediately resigned.

    I wanted and still do not want anything to to do with any party which is corrupt from within.

    A person who actually resigned from ff on ethical grounds.

    You should be easy to find then. ;)

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    Biggins wrote: »
    Yes, stated this a number of times over thread on boards.ie and will state it again for clarity.

    Was a basic member of a FF cumman before moving to eventual chairman of said cumman, then in time moved to county level which gave access to party details previously not accessible.
    When I had this ability and saw/read what I did and what was then asked of me within hours of gaining such a position, I immediately resigned.

    I not wanted then and still do not want anything to to do with any party which is corrupt from within.
    Well my opinion of you just went up a few notches. Pity more were not made of the same stuff as you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    In fairness i'm no Wallace fan, he is a chancer in the extreme but the above synopsis is extremely inaccurate.

    And its the description of events that gets spouted as fact.

    The period he doubled his salary was different to the period he misrepresented his VAT calculations.

    As for paying it back, theres no a penny outstanding.

    But never let that get in the way of a good rant. Wallace is a clown, but its annoying to hear ill informed criticism spouted as fact.
    Yup, he's a wanker, but all this hitman stuff was said in a recent interview on the Marion Finucane show and it makes ya wonder if anyone actually listened to the real story of events.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Is this the second old news thread of yours in as many days OP?

    In other news... link


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Is this the second old news thread of yours in as many days OP?

    In other news... link

    As mentioned already, the reason why its come up again is because of an interview he's done yesterday it appears - and it thus appears as a major story in todays Times (English edition with Irish sections inserted).

    The silly fool didn't know when to leave the matter alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Biggins wrote: »
    He was a fool for 1. doing such a thing and 2. speaking about it!
    Thats just asking for trouble.

    If he actually meant it, he was probably committing a criminal offence (again).

    And if he was only bullsh1tting (much more likely), he was just acting like the politician that he was later to become.:cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Its a damning indictment on this country that the likes of him can be a TD. VAT fraud, a bust developer, threatening hitmen (i'm sure thats against the law), goes into the Dail looking like a bum still out on the piss, seems like he can't even string a coherent sentence together either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    woodoo wrote: »
    Its a damning indictment on this country that the likes of him can be a TD. VAT fraud, a bust developer, threatening hitmen (i'm sure thats against the law), goes into the Dail looking like a bum still out on the piss, seems like he can't even string a coherent sentence together either.

    Well look at it from outside Ireland perspective.
    What must other European countries think (yes, while they have their own issues too) that they can look at our electoral house and see people elected that is willing to appears like gangsters, party leaders who is willing to overlook TD inappropriateness (Wallace AND the latest Reilly antics to just name two) and other personal TD stuff gotten away with scott free already.

    Not selecting any one party here in particular - its not good overall good looking in general.

    How can we be further of an attraction to foreign business when in government and as elected representatives, we appear to be most dishonest at times!

    If TD's were REALLY serious about improving their much loved country's chances in the world, they would start clearing their own house before trying to attract others inward across our borders.

    ...But no... that would be too much to ask.

    Wallace anyway, seriously, should be gone by now.
    He is just one more elected TD taking the pee.

    I suspect maybe - just maybe - that government heads do not want him to go because if there was a by-election tomorrow, the nation would see exactly in percentages just how accurately parties now would gain and lose in votes!

    Polls would perhaps be proved right (or wrong, even worse, top parties losing further?).
    Just maybe again, they fear yet another SF candidate getting in as a wallace replacement?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭cml387


    Unlike nearly everybody on the thread so far I actually heard the interview.

    It was a "Met a bloke in a pub" story, and to be honest it was a badly told tale which could imply that he either did or didn't hire a hitman to collect a debt.

    TBH he sounded more like a fool than a knave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭cml387


    Biggins wrote: »
    Well look at it from outside Ireland perspective.
    What must other European countries think (yes, while they have their own issues too) that they can look at our electoral house and see people elected that is willing to appears like gangsters, party leaders who is willing to overlook TD inappropriateness (Wallace AND the latest (Reilly antics to just name two) and other personal TD stuff gotten away with scott free already.

    Not selecting any one party here in particular - its not good overall good looking in general.

    How can we be further of an attraction to foreign business when in government and as elected representatives, we appear to be most dishonest at times!

    If TD were REALLY serious about improving their much loved country's chances in the world, they would start clearing their own house before trying to attract others inward across our borders.

    ...But no... that would be too much to ask.


    Biggins I'm awfully afraid that we get the politicians we deserve.

    There is no grant we are not entitled to. There is always "someone to see" if we get a fine. I'll get that planning permission sorted.
    This it seems is what we want and time after time we'll elect the gombeens and sleveens who'll do it for us.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    I was heading up to the match in AVIVA yesterday and was entranced by the interview.

    The Sunday Times excerpts quoted the the thread are inaccurate. Mick did not say the contracts manager told him to "go to hell" he said he told him to "f*** off". He also did say not he'd threatened anyone with a hit man or a gun. He told a former employee of his, then working in the firm that owed him 20k, that he believed he'd be paid because he had hired a hit man (I think "The Viper" Foley was on the go at the time). No threats, no guns, no advice to use guns, just a conversation between former colleagues.

    He said he was also asked about an affair he was allegedly having with Marion Finnucane. Marion said she knew nothing about it. Mick said what started the rumour was that she'd allegedly been seen drinking in one of his wine-bars.

    In Sept 2008 Mick reported that the directors' remuneration from the company accounts was 290k split between him and his 2 sons. In the same year the written-down value of that company was €15m. Given the audited valuation of the firm in the same set of accounts, Mick said their pay did not seem excessive.

    Mick said he under-declared the VAT in the belief that the 400k would save the firm and he said he knew it was wrong and would not do it again if faced with the same circumstances. He was adamant that apart from the 400k all the other debts are cleared, which he said wasn't a bad record after 23+ years in business.

    He was scathing in his opinion of most of his colleagues in the Dail. He said their prime concern from the time they're elected is in making the right moves to ensure re-election. Joe Costelloe rang in to deny Mick's statement that Costelloe had coerced him into hiring 4/5 ex-Gama workers and to deny that Mick had told him about the under-declaration of VAT before it became public knowledge.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    mathepac wrote: »
    I was heading up to the match in AVIVA yesterday and was entranced by the interview.

    The Sunday Times excerpts quoted the the thread are inaccurate. Mick did not say the contracts manager told him to "go to hell" he said he told him to "f*** off". He also did not threaten anyone with a hit man or a gun. He told a former employee of his now working in the firm that owed him 20k (according to Mick) that he believed he'd be paid because he had hired a hit man (I think "The Viper" Foley was on the go at the time). No threats, no guns, no advice to use guns, just a conversation between former colleagues.

    He said he was also asked about an affair he was allegedly having with Marion Finnucane. Marion said she knew nothing about it. Mick said what started the rumour was that she'd allegedly been seen drinking in one of his wine-bars.

    In Sept 2008 Mick reported that the directors' remuneration from the company accounts was 290k split between him and his 2 sons. In the same year the written-down value of that company was €15m. Given the audited valuation of the firm in the same set of accounts, Mick said their pay did not seem excessive.

    Mick said he under-declared the VAT in the belief that the 400k would save the firm and he said he knew it was wrong and would not do it again if faced with the same circumstances. He was adamant that apart from the 400k all the other debts are cleared, which he said wasn't a bad record after 23+ years in business.
    Maybe your right about the paper - but then maybe we can't just now trust Wallace about what he says he said.
    (After all for paying off part of his debts alone, he maybe wants to hang on to his current position and would be now willing to say anything, change story?)
    Meanwhile into days papers, there is more photographic evidence of his romantic life - I'm not going there though.
    Who he gets romance involved with is a minor issue (or not really at all?).

    As for the latest supposed latest interview he gave, I have not heard it yet but in either an old one or the latest one where he might have mentioned something about hiring a gunman - that is not good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    Oh and steady on there Vincent Browne :p

    Go for a walk or something

    Nice attempts at deflection. Do you stand over your earlier post?
    As for paying it back, theres no a penny outstanding.

    A simple yes or no will suffice.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    First off apologies, the auld mobile broadband connection is a bit ropey today and I'm having to do frequent saves so if you quote my post it might wind up different tio what you've quoted - sorry, but it's due to technical difficulties beyond our control.

    I'm not an apologist for Mick I'm not saying everything he's done or said are right, but if we're going to debate his interview, we'd be as well to have an accurate version of it to talk about.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    mathepac wrote: »
    First off apologies, the auld mobile broadband connection is a bit ropey today and I'm having to do frequent saves so if you quote my post it might wind up different tio what you've quoted - sorry, but it's due to technical difficulties beyond our control.

    No worries. :)

    I'm not an apologist for Mick I'm not saying everything he's done or said are right, but if we're going to debate his interview, we'd be as well to have an accurate version of it to talk about.

    The problem is not from what I can perceive, his version of events/words previous, has now changed according to what been said by him already previously?

    He could have saved himself all this latest mess by keeping his mouth shut - but then when it comes to interviews, he's not the first to like the sound of his voice and subsequently slip-up.

    (Was the the auld mobile broadband connection on the drink too last night in Dublin?) :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Biggins wrote: »
    ...
    (Was the the auld mobile broadband connection on the drink too last night in Dublin?) :D
    Nah, left the AVIVA & Dublin like totally compos mentis dude, collected my niece from my brother's house and dropped her off at her mammy's, then home to my verminous crouch, sorry, virginal couch :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    mathepac wrote: »
    ...then home to my verminous crouch, sorry, virginal couch :(

    Its day will come - or at least its owner will some day soon! ;)


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