Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

Optimalprimerib · 02-10-2012 06:22AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

When thousands of people clap as defender makes basic header back to keeper.

When thousands again clap forward pass to wing. This is basic stuff.

Football fans who leave to go for Burger/pie 10 minutes before half time.

People who say they support their local club, but they actually dont realise they are not.

I agree with people leaving before half time. Not for the whole "you should stay and support your team" condescending nonsense, thats their business but I hate having to stand up to let an army out while watching the game and then having to stand up again.

Once it happened as I was letting this 'planet' out during a game he was called by his wife in which he stopped and took an order from her whilst blocking the game for me and the people behind me.

geeky · 02-10-2012 09:40AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Old footage of the likes of Stanley Matthews, when people rave about how good he was, but they only have 3 clips of him running past some guy, and show it over and over and over to make it look like he was SO GOOD.

Can you imagine being that guy he ran past?

Years later:
'Dad/Grandad, you're on the telly!'
'Oh, are they showing when we won promotion to the first division?'
'Nah, just you getting skinned by Matthews again.'
'Ah to f***!'

Seconded on many of the pundits who think it's a chore rather than a privilege to yap about football for money. If you don't like doing it Lawro, find something else to do with your life. You're being shown up by the Gary Nevilles of this world anyway.

The_Kew_Tour · 02-10-2012 08:44PM

Oh one at Ireland games is when when some want to sing YNWA.

Sure why not sing GSTQ while your at it.:rolleyes:

Henlars67 · 06-10-2012 10:14PM

Ardent wrote: »

Games being ruined by both a sending off AND a penalty. It should either be 1) a yellow card and a penalty OR 2) a sending off, whichever is applicable. Stupid rule.

It is not a stupid rule. If there wasn't a sending off for handling the ball on the goal line then it would be happening regularly. likewise with players being brought down by the last man.

pbowenroe · 06-10-2012 11:58PM

super_furry wrote: »

Criticism and over analysise of goals scored from corners against zonal marking, but none of those scored from man-to-man - of which there are many more.

that's because most teams use man-to-man marking

eyescreamcone · 07-10-2012 12:46AM

pbowenroe wrote: »

super_furry wrote: »

Criticism and over analysise of goals scored from corners against zonal marking, but none of those scored from man-to-man - of which there are many more.

that's because most teams use man-to-man marking

Incorrect
Most teams use a mixture of both

Kirby · 07-10-2012 05:36AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Incorrect
Most teams use a mixture of both

Actually, they don't. Unless you stupidly include a man on the post as "zonal".....which it isn't.

Poll all the teams in the english football league from league 2 to the premiership. I would wager the vast majority go man to man. It may be a cliche, but zonal marking is very much a "foreign" coaching style. Most of the coaches who champion it are either not British, or have studied football abroad.

Personally, I subscribe to the old italian way of defending set pieces. If I have him in a headlock, how can he score?

Esse85 · 07-10-2012 06:30AM

The lack of respect for the referee.

Leiva · 07-10-2012 06:35AM

Esse85 wrote: »

The lack of respect for the referee.

They will get that when they earn it but for me the current crop of PL refs are the worse I have ever witnessed, and trust me I am watching over 25yrs.

Is it the refs or new policies/rules that's the problem ?? .. Probably both.

Kirby · 07-10-2012 06:55AM

Leiva wrote: »

They will get that when they earn it but for me the current crop of PL refs are the worse I have ever witnessed, and trust me I am watching over 25yrs.

Is it the refs or new policies/rules that's the problem ?? .. Probably both.

Reffing is hard. I find people who take the sort of stance you talk about are people who have never actually done it themselves. The current ref's we have in the EPL are mostly just as good as the ones we had 20 years ago.

The "problem" as you put it, is that they are very isloated and watched and scrutinized by millions of people who have access to a better view live, dozens of replays and hindsight. In every other sport as big as football, they have technology to help them. Until that happens in football, there will always be mistakes.

I also think fans over react their own teams perceived slights. What a nuetral might see as a "soft peno", the biased fan see's as "the worst decision in years" etc. People get carried away.

And when esse85 talks about respect, I'm sure he is alluding to the torrid of abuse ref's recieve off of players and fans. And then we have fans wishing cancer on people. And you think somebody should have to perform well to avoid that? You shouldn't have to "earn" respect to avoid that.....it's a given.

Leiva · 07-10-2012 06:59AM

Kirby wrote: »

Reffing is hard. I find people who take the sort of stance you talk about are people who have never actually done it themselves. The current ref's we have in the EPL are mostly just as good as the ones we had 20 years ago.

The "problem" as you put it, is that they are very isloated and watched and scrutinized by millions of people who have access to a better view live, dozens of replays and hindsight. In every other sport as big as football, they have technology to help them. Until that happens in football, there will always be mistakes.

I also think fans over react their own teams perceived slights. What a nuetral might see as a "soft peno", the biased fan see's as "the worst decision in years" etc. People get carried away.

Oh trust me I have factored in all your valid points (and more) but I still believe that what I have witnessed over the past couple of seasons has been absolutely abmismal from refs.

_blank_ · 07-10-2012 06:59AM

Leiva wrote: »

Oh trust me I have factored in all your valid points (and more) but I still believe that what I have witnessed over the past couple of seasons has been absolutely abmismal from refs.

Do you think referees favour certain clubs?

Leiva · 07-10-2012 07:26AM

Des wrote: »

Do you think referees favour certain clubs?

Nope.

Bad across the board.

eyescreamcone · 07-10-2012 08:28AM

Kirby wrote: »

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Incorrect
Most teams use a mixture of both

Actually, they don't. Unless you stupidly include a man on the post as "zonal".....which it isn't.

Poll all the teams in the english football league from league 2 to the premiership. I would wager the vast majority go man to man. It may be a cliche, but zonal marking is very much a "foreign" coaching style. Most of the coaches who champion it are either not British, or have studied football abroad.

Personally, I subscribe to the old italian way of defending set pieces. If I have him in a headlock, how can he score?

Actually...they do!
And if you can't see it then...

cwboy · 07-10-2012 08:30AM

Free kicks for the slightest touch.

Some fans who look at the fee for a player with out taking in to account the wages and signing on fees and blame owners for not signing them.

gnfnrhead · 07-10-2012 02:49PM

The lack of consistency with the referee's is the big problem imo. A lot of the times they will give a free kick for a tackle, then not give a penalty for something very similar. It shouldnt matter whereabouts on the pitch it is, it's either a foul or not. If you'd give a free kick for it, then you should give a penalty for the same thing and vice versa. Corners are a good example. It's not unusual to see the defending team get a free kick for something that wouldnt be a free kick anywhere else on the pitch. Pick one or the other, dont swap between several times throughout a match.

Cantona's Collars · 07-10-2012 02:53PM

Watching a game from Old Trafford & seeing hundreds of 'fans' spending the entire 90 mins taking pictures.Spend the time making noise you fuckers.

Henlars67 · 07-10-2012 03:22PM

zerks wrote: »

Watching a game from Old Trafford & seeing hundreds of 'fans' spending the entire 90 mins taking pictures.Spend the time making noise you fuckers.

Tourists take photos. That's what they do. Old Trafford always has a few thousand tourists. Many of them Irish.

Shanotheslayer · 07-10-2012 05:09PM

cwboy wrote: »

Free kicks for the slightest touch.

Disagree with this simply because sometimes a 'slight' touch is all it takes.

If you have someone running full pelt down the wing and he gets a slight touch on his ankle. The momentum takes him down more then anything.

Yes I know some people do go down with a slight touch anyway, but that is one reason why it's not the players fault ^

mike65 · 07-10-2012 05:15PM

Teams who don't even try to play for a win.

I'd change the system to the following

Win 2 points
Draw -1 point each
Lose -2 points.

Oranage2 · 07-10-2012 05:18PM

mike65 wrote: »

Teams who don't even try to play for a win.

I'd change the system to the following

Win 2 points
Draw -1 point each
Lose -2 points.

Not a bad idea though wouldn't you still have teams that would rather lose 1 point than 2?

mike65 · 07-10-2012 05:20PM

I think the 3 point gap between a win and a draw and that you actually go backwards to boot would change the psychology.

Prick! · 07-10-2012 05:24PM

Leiva wrote: »

They will get that when they earn it but for me the current crop of PL refs are the worse I have ever witnessed, and trust me I am watching over 25yrs.

Is it the refs or new policies/rules that's the problem ?? .. Probably both.

This is what should be done imo.

1. Referee enters both dressing rooms before the match. Says what he will allow and won't allow, i.e if you go in to a tackle with both feet off the ground or with studs showing he will show a red card.

That if you don't go back 10 yards at free kicks you will get a yellow

That any back chat to the ref is a yellow.

Only one person is allowed speak to the referee at a time and that he'll explain to him why he gave a free kick.

That he won't get every call right but he'll be as consistent as possible.

07-10-2012 05:24PM

mike65 wrote: »

Teams who don't even try to play for a win.

I'd change the system to the following

Win 2 points
Draw -1 point each
Lose -2 points.

That's just the same in practice as 4-1-0.

mikeym · 07-10-2012 05:25PM

Sepp Blater

Qatar hosting the 2022 world cup annoys me :mad:

mike65 · 07-10-2012 05:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's just the same in practice as 4-1-0.

No its not, a draw means you still get a point in a 4-1-0 system, I want to actively punish draws.

PHB · 07-10-2012 05:32PM

I hate people who take photos at football games. I'm kinda willing to accept it if it's a child, but a grown up, seriously cop on and enjoy the bloody experience. There's 50 of the best professional sports photographers at the games, with cameras that cost more than your house, who will capture it better than you ever will.

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Ref's being biased towards big teams. I've always thought it's bull****. I think refs are biased towards home teams. I also think refs appear "biased" towards attacking teams, because they ask more questions of the ref in the box. If you're tackled 10 times in the box, vs. once in the box, there's more chance of a ref giving a penalty to the attacking team. I actually think, by in large, especially away from home, refs favour the worse team.

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The incredible focus on ref decisions by the media. I think that they have just made it an easy thing for them to complain about to generate stories, and have stopped actually talking about football. Andy Grey was the worst for it, I'm glad he's gone now.

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Diving should have been fixed now. Retrospective video analysis of every game. Any definite 100% dives recieve an instant 5 match ban, and a fine equivilent to 2 weeks wages. It would be removed from the game within 2 months.

ohyesthefinest · 07-10-2012 05:34PM

mike65 wrote: »

No its not, a draw means you still get a point in a 4-1-0 system, I want to actively punish draws.

But the teams the Stokes of this world draw with would suffer the same fate as them?

The_Kew_Tour · 07-10-2012 05:36PM

PHB wrote: »

I hate people who take photos at football games. I'm kinda willing to accept it if it's a child, but a grown up, seriously cop on and enjoy the bloody experience. There's 50 of the best professional sports photographers at the games, with cameras that cost more than your house, who will capture it better than you ever will.

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Ref's being biased towards big teams. I've always thought it's bull****. I think refs are biased towards home teams. I also think refs appear "biased" towards attacking teams, because they ask more questions of the ref in the box. If you're tackled 10 times in the box, vs. once in the box, there's more chance of a ref giving a penalty to the attacking team. I actually think, by in large, especially away from home, refs favour the worse team.

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The incredible focus on ref decisions by the media. I think that they have just made it an easy thing for them to complain about to generate stories, and have stopped actually talking about football. Andy Grey was the worst for it, I'm glad he's gone now.

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Diving should have been fixed now. Retrospective video analysis of every game. Any definite 100% dives recieve an instant 5 match ban, and a fine equivilent to 2 weeks wages. It would be removed from the game within 2 months.

Good post agree with every word

07-10-2012 09:25PM

mike65 wrote: »

No its not, a draw means you still get a point in a 4-1-0 system, I want to actively punish draws.

The number of points would be different but the order of teams and difference in points would be the same.

Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

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