Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

_Bella_ · 05-10-2012 09:27AM

I love this description from the Guardian of Gervinho

And then there is the question of Gervinho. The Ivory Coast international often looks like an embarrassed teenager on an early sexual encounter; he's scoring, yet most of his time is spent fumbling around without really knowing what to do.

greendom · 05-10-2012 10:02AM

_Bella_ wrote: »

I love this description from the Guardian of Gervinho

That's also one of his main strengths tho - sure he doesn't know what he's going to do but defenders haven't a clue either.

emergingstar · 05-10-2012 11:26AM

Bib alert
Per, giroud, and ox to start

05-10-2012 11:28AM

Would love to see Giroud start v West Ham as he seems to create and get a lot of chances but I've a feeling Gervinho will start up top again, don't think Wenger will move him after 5 goals in his last 5 games

05-10-2012 11:29AM

If Giroud doesn't score against the hammers he will move closer to an expensive Chamakh IMO.:o

05-10-2012 11:33AM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

If Giroud doesn't score against the hammers he will move closer to an expensive Chamakh IMO.:o

Really don't understand the comparisons. Giroud's all round play is 10 times better than Chamakhs. His goal scoring record is a lot better too.

In France Chamakh had 56 goals in 230 games.

Giroud had 79 in 190. A significantly better record and his last season was 21 in 36. Chamakhs best ever season was 13 in 34.

This isn't having a go at you btw its more the lazy media comparisons. Hes a much bigger talent than Chamakh ever was

Frisbee · 05-10-2012 11:34AM

Mannone

Jenk

Kosc----Per

Gibbs

Arteta----Ramsey

Gerv

Santi

Podolski

Giroud

would be my choice for tomorrow. Vermaelen will play ahead of Mertesacker though because he's captain, which is a bit ridiculous and Giroud will probably be on the bench.

Mickeroo · 05-10-2012 11:37AM

Frisbee wrote: »

Mannone
Jenk
Kosc----Per
Gibbs
Arteta----Ramsey
Gerv
Santi
Podolski
Giroud

would be my choice for tomorrow. Vermaelen will play ahead of Mertesacker though because he's captain, which is a bit ridiculous and Giroud will probably be on the bench.

Would agree on that squad though I reckon we'll see Verm in ahead of Kosc. Wenger kind of backed himself into a corner a bit by making Verm captain imo, makes it hard for him to drop him.

05-10-2012 11:37AM

AdamD wrote: »

Really don't understand the comparisons. Giroud's all round play is 10 times better than Chamakhs. His goal scoring record is a lot better too.

In France Chamakh had 56 goals in 230 games.

Giroud had 79 in 190. A significantly better record and his last season was 21 in 36. Chamakhs best ever season was 13 in 34.

This isn't having a go at you btw its more the lazy media comparisons. Hes a much bigger talent than Chamakh ever was

That's fine, but what was, doesn't hold up in this league as we have seen many a time.;)
I didn't say he would be a Chamakh, but he's moving closer and closer.

Frisbee · 05-10-2012 11:38AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Would agree on that squad though I reckon we'll see Verm in ahead of Kosc. Wenger kind of backed himself into a corner a bit by making Verm cation imo, makes it hard for him to drop him.

Yeah sorry I meant to type Verm will play ahead of Kosc, dunno why I typed Mertesacker.

emergingstar · 05-10-2012 11:55AM

I think giroud will start, against bid dams sides ya need physicality and giroud def gives us that

UnknownSpecies · 05-10-2012 12:05PM

emergingstar wrote: »

I think giroud will start, against bid dams sides ya need physicality and giroud def gives us that

Bid Dam? Did you burn your tongue?

I agree with that though, Giroud is suited to this game but I can't see him dropping Gervinho. Giroud will probably come on for 10 minutes at the end when it's basically impossible to have an impact. How will he ever get confidence if the manager doesn't appear to show confidence in him?

Drexel · 05-10-2012 12:22PM

I read in the paper that Giroud has the mosts assists of any Arsenal player this season so he aint all bad

gnfnrhead · 05-10-2012 12:45PM

I'd start Gervinho up top but bring Giroud on after about an hour. If Gervinho is playing well, take off one of the wide players and put him out there for the last half hour.

I really hope Giroud will end up like Gervinho and just needs time to settle. Gervinho didn't have a good first season but has been on fire this season. Koscielny was poor in his first season too but great in the second. Some players take longer than others to adapt. Not everyone will be as quick as Podolski and Cazorla.

_Bella_ · 05-10-2012 01:12PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I'd start Gervinho up top but bring Giroud on after about an hour. If Gervinho is playing well, take off one of the wide players and put him out there for the last half hour.

I really hope Giroud will end up like Gervinho and just needs time to settle. Gervinho didn't have a good first season but has been on fire this season. Koscielny was poor in his first season too but great in the second. Some players take longer than others to adapt. Not everyone will be as quick as Podolski and Cazorla.

Whats frustrating me is that he doesn't seem to be being given enough of a chance. The game against Southampton was the perfect game for him to try and get a goal, yet he was only brought on in the last 10 minutes. From what I have seen of him I have liked, he's won some good headers from set pieces and further up the field which set up the goal in Wednesdays match.

Mickeroo · 05-10-2012 01:30PM

I'd rather see Gervinho stay out wide and have giroud up front. Gervinho seems to drift wide a lot anyway, the amount of times crosses have gone in or wide players have got into good positions to pull it back and there's been no arsenal player on front of goal is pretty frustrating.

DenMan · 05-10-2012 01:31PM

Ramsay stripped of the Welsh captaincy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2213127/Aaron-Ramsey-removed-Wales-captain.html

05-10-2012 01:34PM

_Bella_ wrote: »

Whats frustrating me is that he doesn't seem to be being given enough of a chance. The game against Southampton was the perfect game for him to try and get a goal, yet he was only brought on in the last 10 minutes. From what I have seen of him I have liked, he's won some good headers from set pieces and further up the field which set up the goal in Wednesdays match.

Arsene has said he has too much pressure on himself and he wants to relieve some of it by playing him little bits at a time.
Bit confusing.

G.K. · 05-10-2012 03:14PM

Coleman has yet to do a good thing as manager of Wales, imo. I wish he could just go and a progressive manager come in.

djan · 05-10-2012 03:29PM

Well he did score the other night, so something bad had to happen.....

Mickeroo · 05-10-2012 03:32PM

djan wrote: »

Well he did score the other night, so something bad had to happen.....

Coleman saved a life.

05-10-2012 03:33PM

djan wrote: »

Well he did score the other night, so something bad had to happen.....

Steve Jobs died a year ago today...

Galvasean · 05-10-2012 04:25PM

DenMan wrote: »

Ramsay stripped of the Welsh captaincy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2213127/Aaron-Ramsey-removed-Wales-captain.html

I never understood why he was made captain in the first place. Too much too soon IMO.

12gauge dave · 05-10-2012 05:52PM

Our defense had a shocker midweek and defensive mistakes vs man city and chelsea?
Steve bould me arse:/
We need a few solid wins together now to climb the table and have momentum going to old trafford!
Weve had a hard few fixtures but there the ones you need to win to challenge for titles

tayto lover · 05-10-2012 06:20PM

12gauge dave wrote: »

Our defense had a shocker midweek and defensive mistakes vs man city and chelsea?
Steve bould me arse:/
We need a few solid wins together now to climb the table and have momentum going to old trafford!
Weve had a hard few fixtures but there the ones you need to win to challenge for titles

I agree. Also I don't understand how posters are seeing an improvement in Gibbs. I like the chap but he is playing poorly. Podolski has been covering for his defensive frailties by getting back much more than any other left-sided midfielder for a long time. Gibbs just can't cross the ball either. He has got into great positions going forward but just can't get that final ball into the right areas. He really needs to step up to the plate and I hope he does. On the other hand I was critical of Jenkinson's passing earlier in the season but he is improving well of late and making fewer mistakes. Mert and Verm have been our best central pairing so far.

Mickeroo · 05-10-2012 06:24PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I agree. Also I don't understand how posters are seeing an improvement in Gibbs. I like the chap but he is playing poorly. Podolski has been covering for his defensive frailties by getting back much more than any other left-sided midfielder for a long time. Gibbs just can't cross the ball either. He has got into great positions going forward but just can't get that final ball into the right areas. He really needs to step up to the plate and I hope he does. On the other hand I was critical of Jenkinson's passing earlier in the season but he is improving well of late and making fewer mistakes. Mert and Verm have been our best central pairing so far.

I think Gibbs and Jenkinson are our two most improved players from last season. I think Gibbs has improved his defensive game quite a bit but I agree his final ball on the attack has been poor.

Jenkinson has improved across the board for me.

tayto lover · 05-10-2012 06:31PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think Gibbs and Jenkinson are our two most improved players from last season. I think Gibbs has improved his defensive game quite a bit but I agree his final ball on the attack has been poor.

Jenkinson has improved across the board for me.

Gibbs is young and will improve. It's probably his final ball that's annoying me. He covers a lot of ground up and down the pitch and if he gives the ball away through poor crossing it gives him little time to get back into his defensive position. We have been caught out a fair bit down that side. West Ham used to really put it up to us at their place and were a bit of a bogey team so I am expecting a hard fight tomorrow evening but we need nothing short of 3 points.

12gauge dave · 05-10-2012 06:48PM

Gibbs has improved but yes hos crossing is still poor! Shame really
West ham will be swinging balls into carolls head for most of the game lets see how mannone per and verm get on

Mickeroo · 05-10-2012 06:49PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Gibbs is young and will improve. It's probably his final ball that's annoying me. He covers a lot of ground up and down the pitch and if he gives the ball away through poor crossing it gives him little time to get back into his defensive position. We have been caught out a fair bit down that side. West Ham used to really put it up to us at their place and were a bit of a bogey team so I am expecting a hard fight tomorrow evening but we need nothing short of 3 points.

Yeah it's a must win if they want to be taken seriously as challengers this year tbh. Big Sam's teams have always been a problem for us in the past but I'm hoping the added steel in the side these days from the likes of Arteta & Podolski(and Giroud if he plays) will be just the tonic we've needed.

Galvasean · 05-10-2012 07:00PM

I'd like to see this team: