50 years ago today "pop culture" was born

mike65 · 05-10-2012 10:26AM #1

October 5th 1962 saw the release of the first Beatles single and the first James Bond film, although it couldn't be predicted at the time its the say the modern world was born - the music industry was developed in the back of the Fab Four while James Bond brought the post war aspirations of a generation in to focus - fast cars, gadgets, sunny locales, sleek women and a vicarious licence to kill.

The world wouldn't be the same again, so between them they've got a hell of a lot to answer for!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds3mAmUPxYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re-v2lDjaCU

05-10-2012 10:30AM

Thinly veiled "Reeling in the Years" thread

padraig.od · 05-10-2012 10:33AM

That bond trailer is weird. Its basically a summary of the entire film

summerskin · 05-10-2012 10:35AM

Over-rated boyband.

Kylo Ren · 05-10-2012 10:41AM

summerskin wrote: »

Over-rated boyband.

Under-rated girl band.

Badly Drunk Boy · 05-10-2012 10:41AM

The only Bond film that I ever saw was the original Casino Royale, and a lot of Bond fans don't count it as a James Bond film. And I'm 39 so it's not as if I didn't get a chance to see them...

starbelgrade · 05-10-2012 10:45AM

mike65 wrote: »

the music industry was developed in the back of the Fab Four

I'm not sure that this is strictly true. The introduction of high fidelity recordings in the 1950s did more to kick-start record sales than the release of Beatles records ten years later.

And one of the biggest selling albums of the 1950s was Elvis' "Elvis Presley", a singer who along with the likes of Buddy Holly & Chuck Berry, had a profound effect on the music of The Beatles.

Certainly, The Beatles rise became synonymous with the start of the "swinging 60's", but the music industry and indeed "pop culture" were well established (at least in the US) long before "Love Me Do" became a hit*.

* It has also to be noted that it was really only a minor hit at the time of it's release.

MagicMarker · 05-10-2012 10:54AM

So pop culture began in 1962? Who the fuck gets to make that decision?

What about the 50's, you know, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Ray Charles, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Johnny Cash, Bill Haley & His Comets, Buddy Holly...?

Duggy747 · 05-10-2012 10:58AM

50 years from now it'll be looked back at Justin Bieber and The Black Eyed Peas

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-10-2012 11:05AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psQc90UUBZI

mike65 · 05-10-2012 11:21AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm not sure that this is strictly true. The introduction of high fidelity recordings in the 1950s did more to kick-start record sales than the release of Beatles records ten years later.

And one of the biggest selling albums of the 1950s was Elvis' "Elvis Presley", a singer who along with the likes of Buddy Holly & Chuck Berry, had a profound effect on the music of The Beatles.

Certainly, The Beatles rise became synonymous with the start of the "swinging 60's", but the music industry and indeed "pop culture" were well established (at least in the US) long before "Love Me Do" became a hit*.

* It has also to be noted that it was really only a minor hit at the time of it's release.

The whole notion of album/tour cycles, professional staging (as bad as it looks now!), began with the FF. The Beatles also did more than anyone else to develop the Album (rip) as the cornerstone of an artists output, promotional music films, even the worlds first intercontinental live concert in 1967. Everyone before was playing with the idea of music as business, the Beatles made it real.

Elmer Blooker · 05-10-2012 12:35PM

summerskin wrote: »

Over-rated boyband.

They ripped off The Rutles anyway.
Decca records were right to reject them in 1962 when they said "guitar bands are finished"

mike65 · 05-10-2012 03:07PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

They ripped off The Rutles anyway.
Decca records were right to reject them in 1962 when they said "guitar bands are finished"

Some might actually think you are being serious, the Rutles came after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGPuwGnYjm4

Wacker The Attacker · 05-10-2012 03:12PM

I still dont understand their attraction

castletownman · 05-10-2012 03:12PM

James Bond is the most-overrated movie franchise of all-time. Just how it has been given it's own dedicated channel on Sky is beyond me.

geetar · 05-10-2012 03:35PM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I still dont understand their attraction

have you listened to their later stuff?

listen to the white album. they were a defining part of music evolution over the last 50 years.

you might not enjoy them, but i guarantee whoever your taste in music considers them inspirational.

DipStick McSwindler · 05-10-2012 03:36PM

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WoollyRedHat · 05-10-2012 04:37PM

castletownman wrote: »

James Bond is the most-overrated movie franchise of all-time. Just how it has been given it's own dedicated channel on Sky is beyond me.

I really hope it's called Bondage.

partyatmygaff · 05-10-2012 04:55PM

James Bond is nothing in comparison to The Beatles' effect on pop culture. The amount of musicians and bands they inspired and continue to inspire is unbelievable.

Rented Mule · 05-10-2012 05:26PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

50 years from now it'll be looked back at Justin Bieber and The Black Eyed Peas

Not if I have anything to do with it.

Rented Mule · 05-10-2012 05:29PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

James Bond is nothing in comparison to The Beatles' effect on pop culture. The amount of musicians and bands they inspired and continue to inspire is unbelievable.

Frank Zappa laughs at your generalization.

Just for the record, his album, Freak Out is the inspiration for Sgt Pepper...

crapmanjoe · 05-10-2012 05:35PM

geetar wrote: »

have you listened to their later stuff?

listen to the white album. they were a defining part of music evolution over the last 50 years.

you might not enjoy them, but i guarantee whoever your taste in music considers them inspirational.

Agreed - im not a huge fan of their music before they stopped touring but once they turned in a studio band! WOW! Definitely generation defining music,

tedobrien98 · 05-10-2012 05:41PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

50 years from now it'll be looked back at Justin Bieber and The Black Eyed Peas

No. The difference is that Justin Bieber and the Black Eyed Peas are sh¡t.

Wacker The Attacker · 06-10-2012 01:44PM

geetar wrote: »

have you listened to their later stuff?

listen to the white album. they were a defining part of music evolution over the last 50 years.

you might not enjoy them, but i guarantee whoever your taste in music considers them inspirational.

Yes which is why I consider them to be the one of the most overrated musical acts in history.

They were certainly nothing special as musicians.

I dont listen to my favourite bands because they may or may not have been influenced by the beatles. It's their music I'm interested in not the music of the beatles.

Wacker The Attacker · 06-10-2012 01:48PM

castletownman wrote: »

James Bond is the most-overrated movie franchise of all-time. Just how it has been given it's own dedicated channel on Sky is beyond me.

With the beatles being the mosr overrated musical act of all time.

purplepanda · 06-10-2012 02:52PM

Those actually slagging off The Beatles need to let us know who they actually rate in their place instead?

Good Luck with that! :rolleyes:

The Beatles revitalised Rock & Roll, which was unpopular & old hat at the time, having been replaced by Teen Idol music & many of the original ground breaking R&R artists had become stale whilst others were struggling.

The record companies didn't want guitar bands at the time yet the Beatles broke through, writing their own songs, playing R&R & Rhythm & Blues covers thus introducing that music to mainstream audiences.

And they were making great albums never mind many classic singles BEFORE being a studio band, Help, Rubber Soul & Revolver, still a massive influence on bands today.

There's many great bands but only one had the impact The Beatles had

Mickeroo · 06-10-2012 02:59PM

It's ok not to like The Beatles, really, it is, music is subjective in that regard. It's factually inaccurate to say they were crap or are overrated though, same goes for any of the greats.

Mardy Bum · 06-10-2012 03:02PM

Popular culture was around long before either of the two aforementioned groups.

Ireland's first international pop star was born in 1779.

ejmaztec · 06-10-2012 03:10PM

The early Beatles stuff was crap, but they upped their game after they took up drugs as a hobby.

purplepanda · 06-10-2012 03:14PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

The early Beatles stuff was crap, but they upped their game after they took up drugs as a hobby.

Was this when they were playing in Hamburg?

ejmaztec · 06-10-2012 03:17PM

purplepanda wrote: »

Was this when they were playing in Hamburg?

They didn't get through enough of them until their income shot up.

50 years ago today "pop culture" was born

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