50 years ago today "pop culture" was born

mike65

October 5th 1962 saw the release of the first Beatles single and the first James Bond film, although it couldn't be predicted at the time its the say the modern world was born - the music industry was developed in the back of the Fab Four while James Bond brought the post war aspirations of a generation in to focus - fast cars, gadgets, sunny locales, sleek women and a vicarious licence to kill.

The world wouldn't be the same again, so between them they've got a hell of a lot to answer for!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds3mAmUPxYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re-v2lDjaCU

Thinly veiled "Reeling in the Years" thread

padraig.od

That bond trailer is weird. Its basically a summary of the entire film

summerskin

Over-rated boyband.

Kylo Ren

summerskin wrote: »

Over-rated boyband.

Under-rated girl band.

Badly Drunk Boy

The only Bond film that I ever saw was the original Casino Royale, and a lot of Bond fans don't count it as a James Bond film. And I'm 39 so it's not as if I didn't get a chance to see them...

starbelgrade

mike65 wrote: »

the music industry was developed in the back of the Fab Four

I'm not sure that this is strictly true. The introduction of high fidelity recordings in the 1950s did more to kick-start record sales than the release of Beatles records ten years later.

And one of the biggest selling albums of the 1950s was Elvis' "Elvis Presley", a singer who along with the likes of Buddy Holly & Chuck Berry, had a profound effect on the music of The Beatles.

Certainly, The Beatles rise became synonymous with the start of the "swinging 60's", but the music industry and indeed "pop culture" were well established (at least in the US) long before "Love Me Do" became a hit*.

* It has also to be noted that it was really only a minor hit at the time of it's release.

MagicMarker

So pop culture began in 1962? Who the fuck gets to make that decision?

What about the 50's, you know, Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Ray Charles, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Johnny Cash, Bill Haley & His Comets, Buddy Holly...?

Duggy747

50 years from now it'll be looked back at Justin Bieber and The Black Eyed Peas

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psQc90UUBZI

mike65

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm not sure that this is strictly true. The introduction of high fidelity recordings in the 1950s did more to kick-start record sales than the release of Beatles records ten years later.

And one of the biggest selling albums of the 1950s was Elvis' "Elvis Presley", a singer who along with the likes of Buddy Holly & Chuck Berry, had a profound effect on the music of The Beatles.

Certainly, The Beatles rise became synonymous with the start of the "swinging 60's", but the music industry and indeed "pop culture" were well established (at least in the US) long before "Love Me Do" became a hit*.

* It has also to be noted that it was really only a minor hit at the time of it's release.

The whole notion of album/tour cycles, professional staging (as bad as it looks now!), began with the FF. The Beatles also did more than anyone else to develop the Album (rip) as the cornerstone of an artists output, promotional music films, even the worlds first intercontinental live concert in 1967. Everyone before was playing with the idea of music as business, the Beatles made it real.

Elmer Blooker

summerskin wrote: »

Over-rated boyband.

They ripped off The Rutles anyway.
Decca records were right to reject them in 1962 when they said "guitar bands are finished"

mike65

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

They ripped off The Rutles anyway.
Decca records were right to reject them in 1962 when they said "guitar bands are finished"

Some might actually think you are being serious, the Rutles came after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGPuwGnYjm4

Wacker The Attacker

I still dont understand their attraction

castletownman

James Bond is the most-overrated movie franchise of all-time. Just how it has been given it's own dedicated channel on Sky is beyond me.

geetar

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I still dont understand their attraction

have you listened to their later stuff?

listen to the white album. they were a defining part of music evolution over the last 50 years.

you might not enjoy them, but i guarantee whoever your taste in music considers them inspirational.

DipStick McSwindler

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WoollyRedHat

castletownman wrote: »

James Bond is the most-overrated movie franchise of all-time. Just how it has been given it's own dedicated channel on Sky is beyond me.

I really hope it's called Bondage.

partyatmygaff

James Bond is nothing in comparison to The Beatles' effect on pop culture. The amount of musicians and bands they inspired and continue to inspire is unbelievable.

Rented Mule

Duggy747 wrote: »

50 years from now it'll be looked back at Justin Bieber and The Black Eyed Peas

Not if I have anything to do with it.

Rented Mule

partyatmygaff wrote: »

James Bond is nothing in comparison to The Beatles' effect on pop culture. The amount of musicians and bands they inspired and continue to inspire is unbelievable.

Frank Zappa laughs at your generalization.

Just for the record, his album, Freak Out is the inspiration for Sgt Pepper...

crapmanjoe

geetar wrote: »

have you listened to their later stuff?

listen to the white album. they were a defining part of music evolution over the last 50 years.

you might not enjoy them, but i guarantee whoever your taste in music considers them inspirational.

Agreed - im not a huge fan of their music before they stopped touring but once they turned in a studio band! WOW! Definitely generation defining music,

tedobrien98

Duggy747 wrote: »

50 years from now it'll be looked back at Justin Bieber and The Black Eyed Peas

No. The difference is that Justin Bieber and the Black Eyed Peas are sh¡t.

Wacker The Attacker

geetar wrote: »

have you listened to their later stuff?

listen to the white album. they were a defining part of music evolution over the last 50 years.

you might not enjoy them, but i guarantee whoever your taste in music considers them inspirational.

Yes which is why I consider them to be the one of the most overrated musical acts in history.

They were certainly nothing special as musicians.

I dont listen to my favourite bands because they may or may not have been influenced by the beatles. It's their music I'm interested in not the music of the beatles.

Wacker The Attacker

castletownman wrote: »

James Bond is the most-overrated movie franchise of all-time. Just how it has been given it's own dedicated channel on Sky is beyond me.

With the beatles being the mosr overrated musical act of all time.

purplepanda

Those actually slagging off The Beatles need to let us know who they actually rate in their place instead? Good Luck with that! :rolleyes:

The Beatles revitalised Rock & Roll, which was unpopular & old hat at the time, having been replaced by Teen Idol music & many of the original ground breaking R&R artists had become stale whilst others were struggling.

The record companies didn't want guitar bands at the time yet the Beatles broke through, writing their own songs, playing R&R & Rhythm & Blues covers thus introducing that music to mainstream audiences.

And they were making great albums never mind many classic singles BEFORE being a studio band, Help, Rubber Soul & Revolver, still a massive influence on bands today.

There's many great bands but only one had the impact The Beatles had

Mickeroo

It's ok not to like The Beatles, really, it is, music is subjective in that regard. It's factually inaccurate to say they were crap or are overrated though, same goes for any of the greats.

Mardy Bum

Popular culture was around long before either of the two aforementioned groups.

Ireland's first international pop star was born in 1779.

ejmaztec

The early Beatles stuff was crap, but they upped their game after they took up drugs as a hobby.

purplepanda

ejmaztec wrote: »

The early Beatles stuff was crap, but they upped their game after they took up drugs as a hobby.

Was this when they were playing in Hamburg?

ejmaztec

purplepanda wrote: »

Was this when they were playing in Hamburg?

They didn't get through enough of them until their income shot up.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

They ripped off The Rutles anyway.
Decca records were right to reject them in 1962 when they said "guitar bands are finished"

That proved to be one of the worst decisions ever made by a music executive. Why do you think that Guitar music was on the way out in the early 60's? The guitar ruled the industry throughout the 60s and 70s.

MJ23

Without doubt, the most over-rated band of all time.

Helix

[QUOTE=Mickeroo;81117467It's factually inaccurate to say they were crap or are overrated though[/QUOTE]

no its not

the beatles were overrated by the very definition of the word - whether you like them or not. there seems to be this bizarre idea among people that overrated means rubbish or poor. it doesnt, it just means that something is rated as being better than it was. you can think something is great, and still overrated

snausages

So why are they overrated then? It's all well and good saying that they're overrated but you hardly ever hear people explain why. It's a word that gets thrown around an awful lot. Just for the record I'm not saying that they're not overrated.

Helix

snausages wrote: »

So why are they overrated then? It's all well and good saying that they're overrated but you hardly ever hear people explain why. It's a word that gets thrown around an awful lot. Just for the record I'm not saying that they're not overrated.

they're overrated purely and solely down to how highly people rate them. they broke ground, yes. they had some good records, yes. but they were not this shining light of complete originality, exceptional talent and incredible songs. they were a band in the right place at the right time who know how to write a hook

their later stuff is a lot more interesting, but they'd long made their name and reputation at that stage, and the later stuff isnt what most people reference when talking about how great they were

and im not saying they werent a good act, they were. they just werent anywhere close to as good as some like to think, but christ they could write a catchy hook

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058150/quotes

"My dear girl there are some things that just aren't done, such as drinking Dom Pérignon '53 above a temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That's as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs"!
James Bond

purplepanda

Look at the rubbish in the UK charts when The Beatles had their first hit, the '50's Rock & Roll era was long gone by then And the US charts were only slightly better!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19827429

Wee Willy Harris

10 years ago today "pub culture" was put down

Rothko

Helix wrote: »

their later stuff is a lot more interesting, but they'd long made their name and reputation at that stage, and the later stuff isnt what most people reference when talking about how great they were

Yes it is.