The Online Dating Thread 3..READ 1ST POST Oct 2012

Galvasean · 03-10-2012 11:05PM

If people are properly insulting you then you should report them for abuse. Such behaviour should not be allowed to be come commonplace.

Esoteric_ · 03-10-2012 11:10PM

Galvasean wrote: »

If people are properly insulting you then you should report them for abuse. Such behaviour should not be allowed to be come commonplace.

I probably should have added this to my post.

If someone is being abusive for no reason, definitely report them. If nothing else, it prevents them from being abusive to other members.

missrandomer · 03-10-2012 11:45PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Firstly, I appreciate the feedback. What are people's definitions of 'too long' (hush now!)? I said my profile is longer than 99% of the profiles I see (although in honesty, the majority of profiles on POF are ridiculously sparse!) , but that doesn't make it an essay either. It's 3 short paragraphs (but well spaced out to avoid 'text block' phenomenon) - just a bit about myself at the start and the rest is more or less listing stuff I like. I'd hardly call it excessive or long winded. I mean it definitely doesn't describe my life in any great detail. In fact, I'd consider it a VERY small snapshot of what I'm about with a few little gags thrown in to mix things up a bit

How long is everyone else's profile here? Word count might be a good idea as people may have differences of opinion as to what constitutes a short paragraph.
I'm currently on 392. Would that be considered 'too big'?

I agree with you on this, ive changed my profile only the other day from a very short one (as i thought that's what people write in pof anyway) to a little bit more detail.

I did this for two reasons, 1 because i wasn't getting attracting the type of guy im after, who in fairness have a couple of paragraphs in theirs.
and 2 because i do actually want to meet someone so i thought if i took it a bit more seriously and it showed in my profile then it might get the just for fun people to move on to someone else.

Im not saying ive achieved what im after, and im still in edit mode on alot of my profile, but i do think a little bit more than 4 lines might show a bit more about me and might just catch someone's attention.

Once its to the point and a bit of fun mixed in i think it might work. But still keep a little bit back.

If a few lines works for some people thats cool, but sometimes a bit more detail work for others
each to their own i guess :rolleyes:

missrandomer · 03-10-2012 11:52PM

LyndaMcL wrote: »

I probably should have added this to my post.

If someone is being abusive for no reason, definitely report them. If nothing else, it prevents them from being abusive to other members.

Yep times 100
Your not only fighting your own corner but there out there making someone else life hell, why ... just because they can get away with it.

No one has the right to be abusive to others, your better than that so rise above it

Galvasean · 03-10-2012 11:54PM

missrandomer wrote: »

I agree with you on this, ive changed my profile only the other day from a very short one (as i thought that's what people write in pof anyway) to a little bit more detail.

I did this for two reasons, 1 because i wasn't getting attracting the type of guy im after, who in fairness have a couple of paragraphs in theirs.
and 2 because i do actually want to meet someone so i thought if i took it a bit more seriously and it showed in my profile then it might get the just for fun people to move on to someone else.

I think I'm in a similar boat to you here. Personally, when looking through profiles I prefer the one's with a bit of 'meat'/reading to them. IMO, the more info I see, the more opportunity to strike up a conversation about something.
If someone says in their profile, "I like films", then the only thing you can really say to that is, "so, what kind of films do you like?", which just sounds a tad generic. Whereas if they mention a bunch of films and styles that they like you can be a little more specific, talking about particular films you both like, making suggestions for them etc.
Vague profiles annoy me somewhat as it's quite hard to show genuine interest when someone's interests are totally non specific.
So yeah, I guess I created a profile akin to the kind of profile I like to read personally.

Esoteric_ · 04-10-2012 12:11AM

MC Homicidal Maniac wrote: »

Its my own fault they abused. I should have known that I'm too ugly for basic decency from females.

:-/ Like I said in my first response to you, I REALLY believe you should take on board the advice you were given in threads you posted on other fora, and please talk to somebody or seek some help. Mate, plenty of us have been there, I sure as hell have, and seeking help is the best thing you'll ever do for yourself to make yourself happier. And to be honest, if you're feeling THAT down in yourself, you're probably not in the right frame of mind to have a healthy relationship anyway.

On a non-psychological note - any girl who deems you 'too ugly' is not worth your time. Why would you want to be with someone if you think they find you ugly? I think I can safely say that none of us here are supermodels (although all of the users here that I've seen pics of, I would consider them all to be attractive in their own ways). Everyone has good and bad about their appearance. Don't focus so much on the bad, focus on the good. For example, I used to weigh 19 and a half stone and a size 22-24. I decided I was unhappy, so in the last 2 years, I've gotten down to 12 stone and a size 14. I'm still far from happy with my weight and appearance (extremely self loathing at the best of times, actually), but I know damn well I have positive attributes too, so I focus on and make the best of them instead of constantly dissing myself. You would never tell your best friend that they're too ugly, so why allow yourself to talk to YOU that way?

Sorry for the long post, guys!

crapmanjoe · 04-10-2012 01:58AM

All ( mainly girls I guess) - I follow a standard approach to messaging with abit of customization - but have found I'm not getting much responses so any feedback would be most welcome

______
Hey

I opened up your profile and you seemed interesting and fun, so said I'd say hello.

I noticed from your profile that we have quite a few things in common.

#insert some thing specific about the persons profile (e.g You have a really awesome taste in movies and tv - what's the best movie you have seen recently? ) #

Let me know if you would like to chat, it would be great to learn more about you.
_________

Also if anyone is on OKC and would like to do a quality check on my profile - PM me

Need to try and turn my luck around

enviro · 04-10-2012 03:13AM

crapmanjoe wrote: »

All ( mainly girls I guess) - I follow a standard approach to messaging with abit of customization - but have found I'm not getting much responses so any feedback would be most welcome

______
Hey

I opened up your profile and you seemed interesting and fun, so said I'd say hello.

I noticed from your profile that we have quite a few things in common.

#insert some thing specific about the persons profile (e.g You have a really awesome taste in movies and tv - what's the best movie you have seen recently? ) #

Let me know if you would like to chat, it would be great to learn more about you.

_________

Also if anyone is on OKC and would like to do a quality check on my profile - PM me

Need to try and turn my luck around

Lad here...

Critique of the bold bits. (in order)

"you seemed interesting"
Boring imo, try to be more interesting yourself, smells of generic message already... a big no no.

"so said I'd say hello"
No need to tell her you are saying hello.

"I noticed from your profile that we have quite a few things in common"
Again no need to tell her this, way to formal imo. get to the point rather than building to it... she probably has lots of messages to get through, try stand out from the crowd.

"Let me know if you would like to chat"
I don't think any girl in the competitive world of online dating is going to feel compelled to reply back that she "would like to chat" Would you approach a girl in a club or shopping centre and ask, "would you like to chat" What sort of reaction do you think you would receive... Remember these are the same girls you see walking around every day... it is just a different medium being used to contact/approach them.

You are on the right track with the underlined bit.

Think enjoyable, engaging conversation... go back through your message and highlight the parts you would keep if it was a conversation face to face. Post back what you have left.

Esoteric_ · 04-10-2012 10:20AM

enviro wrote: »

Lad here...

Critique of the bold bits. (in order)

"you seemed interesting"
Boring imo, try to be more interesting yourself, smells of generic message already... a big no no.

"so said I'd say hello"
No need to tell her you are saying hello.

"I noticed from your profile that we have quite a few things in common"
Again no need to tell her this, way to formal imo. get to the point rather than building to it... she probably has lots of messages to get through, try stand out from the crowd.

"Let me know if you would like to chat"
I don't think any girl in the competitive world of online dating is going to feel compelled to reply back that she "would like to chat" Would you approach a girl in a club or shopping centre and ask, "would you like to chat" What sort of reaction do you think you would receive... Remember these are the same girls you see walking around every day... it is just a different medium being used to contact/approach them.

You are on the right track with the underlined bit.

Think enjoyable, engaging conversation... go back through your message and highlight the parts you would keep if it was a conversation face to face. Post back what you have left.

Agree with this completely! It sounds as though you're using a copy-paste message and just altering it a little. If I'm gonna be honest with you, us ladies can spot that a mile away! :pac: As I'm sure the men can if they receive something like that, too.

So, I searched through all my messages, to find something that I felt was a really good first message, to give you an idea of what sort of thing might be a bit better, so I'll copy paste, with a few little edits to remove any identifying info.

'Hi XXXXX, nice pics!

Do you know how much a polar bear weighs?............Enough to break the ice!!!!

Sorry about that!

I'm XXXXX. I'm in college at the moment studying mechanical
engineering. I'm a big music fan and I also enjoy playing the guitar.

I'm liking your list of bands! Pink Floyd and Def Leppard are among my favorite bands and you'rethe first Primordial fan I've seen on here.
I saw Def Leppard last year and I've seen Primordial live a few times now
and I've seen Roger Waters play Dark side of the Moon and the Wall live, both were amazing!

Have you ever been to see any of them live?

Looking forward to hearing from you!

XXXXX.'

For me, that message showed clearly that he had read my profile, not just skimmed it. He made a stupid joke, which was enough to get my attention because not a lot of guys have a laugh with this (in my experience!), he told me about things we had in common without using the 'I think we have lots in common' line, and asked me a question, as well as talking about a common interest, which left lots of room to write a decent reply. Also, I find 'looking forward to hearing from you' sounds so much more positive than 'Hope I hear from you.' Confidence!

For the record, I am still talking to the person who wrote the above message, and his messages just got better!

Good god, my posts seem to be getting longer here.

miec · 04-10-2012 02:28PM

@LyndaMCL

Thanks for the sample mail. I found it really useful because I never know how to end a first message, I used to put hope to hear from you soon, or it would be really nice to chat, and other lines that I sensed were naff but didn't know what way to end it so thanks a million for sharing it as it that message would have got a response from me if a guy had sent me something similar. I'll do the confident sign off if I ever decide to lurk in OD again.

As for others saying about why so many use OD nowadays I agree that the opportunities to go out are harder due to cost and married / attached friends. Also I don't enjoy going out to clubs like I did when I was younger, I feel a bit too old for them, I can't handle the hangovers like I used to and there is no where to sit, they are overcrowded so I feel penned in a lot of the time and it is very difficult to have a proper conversation.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 04-10-2012 02:42PM

Golden questions for the ladies in this thread - I'd say this is one a few of us lads are wondering...

You're chatting to a girl, it's going well, but then you're stuck waiting on a reply... do you play it cool and leave it up to her to reply, even if she never does?
Or do you crack and pop along a second message?

From a guy's point of view, it's hard to judge as I know female friends on there who get tonnes of messages, so maybe it just takes time to get around to replying to all of them?

Honey-ec · 04-10-2012 02:44PM

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Golden questions for the ladies in this thread - I'd say this is one a few of us lads are wondering...

You're chatting to a girl, it's going well, but then you're stuck waiting on a reply... do you play it cool and leave it up to her to reply, even if she never does?
Or do you crack and pop along a second message?

From a guy's point of view, it's hard to judge as I know female friends on there who get tonnes of messages, so maybe it just takes time to get around to replying to all of them?

It really depends on how the conversation was going in the first place. When I was on OD, if I was in a conversation with a guy I really liked, when he messaged me, I wouldn't leave him waiting on a reply while I trawled through the rest of my inbox, I replied straightaway.

cyrusdvirus · 04-10-2012 02:46PM

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Golden questions for the ladies in this thread - I'd say this is one a few of us lads are wondering...

You're chatting to a girl, it's going well, but then you're stuck waiting on a reply... do you play it cool and leave it up to her to reply, even if she never does?
Or do you crack and pop along a second message?

From a guy's point of view, it's hard to judge as I know female friends on there who get tonnes of messages, so maybe it just takes time to get around to replying to all of them?

i know you said one for the ladies, and i'm a bloke but i'm gonna answer anyway.

If i'm messaging someone and all of a sudden there is radio silence, then the way i figure it is that she wasn't interested in the first place and was just keeping up the conversation.
OR someone more interesting (to her) came along. Either way, i try not to let it bother me.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 04-10-2012 02:48PM

Aye, I suspected as much but always good to get a stamp of approval!

cyrusdvirus · 04-10-2012 02:50PM

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Aye, I suspected as much but always good to get a stamp of approval!

It sucks though!!

Ah well.

Feisar · 04-10-2012 04:30PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Firstly, I appreciate the feedback. What are people's definitions of 'too long' (hush now!)? I said my profile is longer than 99% of the profiles I see (although in honesty, the majority of profiles on POF are ridiculously sparse!) , but that doesn't make it an essay either. It's 3 short paragraphs (but well spaced out to avoid 'text block' phenomenon) - just a bit about myself at the start and the rest is more or less listing stuff I like. I'd hardly call it excessive or long winded. I mean it definitely doesn't describe my life in any great detail. In fact, I'd consider it a VERY small snapshot of what I'm about with a few little gags thrown in to mix things up a bit

How long is everyone else's profile here? Word count might be a good idea as people may have differences of opinion as to what constitutes a short paragraph.
I'm currently on 392. Would that be considered 'too big'?

I'm on POF the past two weeks, new to the whole online scene. So far so good. One question, is there something frivolous in you're profile that they can ask you about? I mentioned something about embarrassing music, apart from the oh so cool bands I mentioned. I've had a good few girls asking me to tell them about it.

My word count is 161

Esoteric_ · 04-10-2012 04:38PM

Feisar wrote: »

I'm on POF the past two weeks, new to the whole online scene. So far so good. One question, is there something frivolous in you're profile that they can ask you about? I mentioned something about embarrassing music, apart from the oh so cool bands I mentioned. I've had a good few girls asking me to tell them about it.

My word count is 161

I gave up counting my words after I got to 300 on my profile! :pac: There's probably in or around 400 words on mine, which is quite long, but I also included some of the embarrassing music and a joke or two on mine, and am asked about those all the time.

With regards to what I'd read, I prefer longer profiles, so I can get a feel for what the person is like. I tend to avoid profiles that don't show any sense of humour though, so I'd always advise someone to show off their sense of humour a little bit if they can.

Also, got a really nice message from a cute guy, totally the sort of message I'd reply to. Check his profile, it's a huge rant about how he's been hurt in the past, and a bitch about his ex. Awkward! :pac:

Daveysil15 · 04-10-2012 04:54PM

LyndaMcL wrote: »

So, I searched through all my messages, to find something that I felt was a really good first message, to give you an idea of what sort of thing might be a bit better, so I'll copy paste, with a few little edits to remove any identifying info.

'Hi XXXXX, nice pics!

Do you know how much a polar bear weighs?............Enough to break the ice!!!!

Sorry about that!

I'm XXXXX. I'm in college at the moment studying mechanical
engineering. I'm a big music fan and I also enjoy playing the guitar.

I'm liking your list of bands! Pink Floyd and Def Leppard are among my favorite bands and you'rethe first Primordial fan I've seen on here.
I saw Def Leppard last year and I've seen Primordial live a few times now
and I've seen Roger Waters play Dark side of the Moon and the Wall live, both were amazing!

Have you ever been to see any of them live?

Looking forward to hearing from you!

XXXXX.'

To me that sounds a lot like a copy & paste job too with a bit of referencing from the profile. Although I must admit, I do send something similar, except I don't mention too much about myself in the first message. I usually leave that till the second or third message.

Some people tell their whole life story in their opening message, which makes me wonder what's left for them to talk about in later messages. It is a decent example though. But is it going to carry much weight if the person has a crap profile or you don't like their photos?

On the videos they have on POF it says women usually check your profile first, so no matter how good your first message is, if your profile is not up to scratch, they probably won't reply. I guess it depends on the person.

Esoteric_ · 04-10-2012 05:02PM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

To me that sounds a lot like a copy & paste job too with a bit of referencing from the profile. Although I must admit, I do send something similar, except I don't mention too much about myself in the first message. I usually leave that till the second or third message.

Some people tell their whole life story in their opening message, which makes me wonder what's left for them to talk about in later messages. It is a decent example though. But is it going to carry much weight if the person has a crap profile or you don't like their photos?

On the videos they have on POF it says women usually check your profile first, so no matter how good your first message is, if your profile is not up to scratch, they probably won't reply. I guess it depends on the person.

I'm sure the first bits were a copy-paste job, but the main part of the message was clearly not copy-pasted, so for that reason, I'd consider it to be decent.

If a person has a crap profile or I'm not too keen on their photos, if I get a really good message from them, I'll usually reply. While I want to be attracted to somebody's looks, as long as I don't find them hideous, I can make some effort with messaging and see if the attraction builds.

As for a crap profile, if they send a message that makes them seem somewhat intelligent and interesting, I'd just ask them a lot of questions and see if it was worth taking a risk by replying to someone with a rubbish profile. :pac:

riveratom · 04-10-2012 07:50PM

Well folks, I have decided that come Sunday evening, I'll be deleting all of the online dating profiles and announcing my retirement from OD. Short answer why - wayyy too much time being invested for next to no return. I'm a business guy and if this were a business venture, it'd be closed down long ago

A recap of what's been happening this past few weeks:

-Girl 1: Winks at me, I email. Loads of mails going back and forth, basically asks if I'm going to ask her out. Ask her out, she is busy and off on hols so we agree to do something when she gets back. She gets back - zero, nada. Get an email asking how I've been a couple of weeks after she gets back. I reply. No response. See her online here and there. Mail her the other night. No reply. See her online tonight for a few mins. Still no reply.

-Girl 2: Few emails back and forth last week. Propose a date for this week. She says 'sounds nice' and is up for it. Mails last Saturday saying she'll have to let me know a time for this week as she is so busy with work/training. It's now Thurs night, can see she has been logged in, and no follow up.

-Get a 'wink' from a cute girl I really fancy on a paid site. Location: California. And that was the second one I've gotten from a fit girl in that location!

POF - lots of messages sent to girls I like the look of. Almost no replies.

POF - lots of messages from girls I don't fancy unfortunately (not complaining on that one btw).

Dates: when I do go on them there is no spark or they feel there is no spark, etc etc.

Like someone said recently, I'd rather be happily single than bother with all the above. And when I think of it, I've been single for nearly all my life and I've been happy - if it remains so for good then I'll still be happy.

So I'll have more time now for lots of other more interesting stuff come Monday morning and a fresh new week

crapmanjoe · 04-10-2012 08:52PM

riveratom wrote: »

Well folks, I have decided that come Sunday evening, I'll be deleting all of the online dating profiles and announcing my retirement from OD. Short answer why - wayyy too much time being invested for next to no return. I'm a business guy and if this were a business venture, it'd be closed down long ago

A recap of what's been happening this past few weeks:

-Girl 1: Winks at me, I email. Loads of mails going back and forth, basically asks if I'm going to ask her out. Ask her out, she is busy and off on hols so we agree to do something when she gets back. She gets back - zero, nada. Get an email asking how I've been a couple of weeks after she gets back. I reply. No response. See her online here and there. Mail her the other night. No reply. See her online tonight for a few mins. Still no reply.

-Girl 2: Few emails back and forth last week. Propose a date for this week. She says 'sounds nice' and is up for it. Mails last Saturday saying she'll have to let me know a time for this week as she is so busy with work/training. It's now Thurs night, can see she has been logged in, and no follow up.

-Get a 'wink' from a cute girl I really fancy on a paid site. Location: California. And that was the second one I've gotten from a fit girl in that location!

POF - lots of messages sent to girls I like the look of. Almost no replies.

POF - lots of messages from girls I don't fancy unfortunately (not complaining on that one btw).

Dates: when I do go on them there is no spark or they feel there is no spark, etc etc.

Like someone said recently, I'd rather be happily single than bother with all the above. And when I think of it, I've been single for nearly all my life and I've been happy - if it remains so for good then I'll still be happy.

So I'll have more time now for lots of other more interesting stuff come Monday morning and a fresh new week

Its tough alright

So whats plan for next few days? Spam pretty much every girl in the country?

:D

riveratom · 04-10-2012 08:55PM

crapmanjoe wrote: »

Its tough alright

So whats plan for next few days? Spam pretty much every girl in the country? :D

No chance. Will see if girl 2 replies by Sunday eve. If not - delete button.

Daveysil15 · 04-10-2012 09:03PM

I've been talking to a nice girl on POF this week. She'd like to meet me for a coffee. Only problem is, she's about an hours drive from me and has no transport. She's also in college and works at the weekends, so its going to be difficult to find the time to meet.

We could meet some evening during the week, but it just seems like a lot of hassle. With the distance and the awkward working hours, I don't see how any sort of relationship could develope. Have any of you guys been in a situation like this and made it work?

KTRIC · 04-10-2012 09:28PM

Think I've been the victim of a messer to be honest. Started talking to this lovely girl about a month ago. Got on well, loads in common, similar taste in music , job and outlook on life. She was "sick" when I originally asked her out and eventually got over that, went out 3 times, strangely only on the same day each week and only when I asked. I even joked about it.

Anyway fast forward to this week, met up , had a laugh and surprisingly got a lift home and this time got a good night kiss which was nice and unexpected. Then out of the blue after asking if she wanted to do something at the weekend got the auld "don't think this'll go any further" :rolleyes:

Something not quite right and was sort of expecting that answer, couldn't put my finger on it. Any ideas lads and ladies ??

How do you route out the messers and time wasters ?

LegacyUser · 04-10-2012 09:30PM

I would really encourage online dating. I am a very quiet person and found it impossible to meet anyone in pubs/clubs so I spent 10 months chatting to guys online & met up with 5 of them. I really hit it off with the 5th guy who is now my longterm boyfriend. Things are really great and without POF I would not have met him!! My advice is go for it!!!

njs030 · 04-10-2012 09:34PM

Yet another one chatting for a while, arrange to meet then conversation drops off to nothing.....agggghhhhh
We are all having terrible luck!!!
Someone post a happy story quick...

Dermo73 · 04-10-2012 10:34PM

Hello all. First time poster. Regular follower of this thread to see what other peoples experiences are like with OD. I've been using OD on and off for the last 2 years. I started with high hopes and then gradually realised what a minefield it is. Some fun dates that went nowhere and some painful dates that had to be endured. And endless amounts of angst about weird or non responses.
I was on the point of quitting for good but decided I'd give it one more go on POF. Got chatting to a cool girl and have been out on a couple of dates recently (last one ended with a quick kiss). She's invited me to a gig for date 3. It's all going well (probably too well and it'll all go pear shaped soon) but right now I'm happy with it.
Anyway, it all seems a bit gloomy on the thread lately so I thought I might share a positive story

Esoteric_ · 04-10-2012 10:38PM

Dermo73 wrote: »

Hello all. First time poster. Regular follower of this thread to see what other peoples experiences are like with OD. I've been using OD on and off for the last 2 years. I started with high hopes and then gradually realised what a minefield it is. Some fun dates that went nowhere and some painful dates that had to be endured. And endless amounts of angst about weird or non responses.
I was on the point of quitting for good but decided I'd give it one more go on POF. Got chatting to a cool girl and have been out on a couple of dates recently (last one ended with a quick kiss). She's invited me to a gig for date 3. It's all going well (probably too well and it'll all go pear shaped soon) but right now I'm happy with it.
Anyway, it all seems a bit gloomy on the thread lately so I thought I might share a positive story

Thank god, a happy story!

boidey · 05-10-2012 06:27AM

Hey, another lurker announcing his (temporary?) retirement from OD. When I say OD I mean POF. I have also tried OKC but the much smaller user base is very limiting.
This wasn't the first time I tried OD but this time was unbelievably crazy. Timewaster after timewaster, after being stood up, hung up on, after dates being cancelled, after being lied to and insulted. When I started to take it personally, I knew it was time to go.
POF will eventually eat its self. The sites revenue is primarily ad based so it from the owners perspective its a bums on seats jobs, i.e. quantity over quality. There are people genuinely looking for a mate/date/partner but in my experience they are the shrinking minority on POF. Several women I spoke to acknowledged they were there simply for the craic and chat. No intentions beyond that. One lady likened it to 'facebook with dick pics'

My own advice to any one trying OD would include the following:
Revise those expectation!
Don't take it too serious or personal.
If you are taking it personally, GO!
Look at POF as a sandbox or training ground for the real world.
Make sure the batteries in your spidey senses are working. You will need them.
Have some manners, be civil and honest!

In all likelihood I will try OD again but I'm stepping back for the moment to spend time with the wife and kids :rolleyes:. I'll stop now before I start on about the married playing away.

Dubsta · 05-10-2012 06:52AM

Really enjoyed reading this!! So many similar stories with OD! Just got to keep trucking on! I gave up after a couple of horrific expierences! Don't plan on going back anytime soon! I will however keep my eyes out for the "Good News" stories cause they do indeed make you that little bit more positive!! If there is no sighting then Mr.Christian Grey has turned up at my door! ;-)

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